Foxbat over Pakistan the facts & fiction

[Hellfire]

I have valid point that Nachiketa was not injured during bail out walking perfectly and Red Cross medical exam proves this.

Yikes lady. Am not even talking about his POW time. Read carefully the posts sequentially. You are stuck on some post which has nothing to do with me (and I don't have an idea of it either)

Cheers

 

[Darth Vader]

Pak is taking steps though slow and insufficient yet same is case in every field. At what is my personal observation Man pads and computerized AA guns which are quite effective against low flying objects along with old jets are being deployed which is better than nothing. Perhaps in next few years at least low to medium level SAMS shall be deployed near border areas mostly Chinese based.

These small mistakes cause big problems in end , they need to change there approach
Pakistan and china always have been famous for getting maximum of low cast measures and they need to do that again start developing systems and make a solid base and grow on it even if with little funds but it will take some time but you will ripe its fruits years later

 

[Ultima Thule]

I think the the real problem is that it reflect bad on the PAF, that it could not intercept the MiG-25 over Islamabad,
while Sweden could intercept the much harder to catch SR-71 regularily using an indigenous fighter.

I have presented source. Buy the book.
You are now ignored.

in your wet dream kid, sorry to burst your bubble truth is always bitter so you believe fairy tales like books, go live on your fantasy world, get real kid

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Windjammer,

Boy, Your own EX FOREIGN MINISTER no less claims that we flew over Islamabad and broke the sound barrier with impunity.

Seeing fairies much?

Or is the poor chap going to be labelled a Kafir and traitor now like so many others?

Pakistan would have attacked India in 1998: Gohar Ayub Khan

0admin3 on 18 April 2009 - 7:31pm
By IANS,

Islamabad : Pakistan would have launched a full-fledged air attack had India attempted to prevent its 1998 nuclear tests, maverick politician and former foreign minister Gohar Ayub Khan says in a new book.

In the book titled "Testing Times as Foreign Minister", Khan claims that in the event of an attack by India on the nuclear test site at Chagai in Balochistan, the Pakistan Air Force would have launched attacks on pre-designated targets in India, The News reported Saturday.

Pakistan had conducted its nuclear tests May 28, 1998 in retaliation to those India conducted on the 11th and 13th of the same month.

The son of former Pakistani military dictator Field Marshal Ayub Khan, Gohar Ayub Khan had created a stir in 2005 by claiming his father had bought India's war plans for the 1965 conflict from an Indian brigadier for Rs.20,000.

The new book says that since Pakistan became a nuclear weapons state, the chances of a nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan seemed to be a very remote possibility.

However, a localised conflict, which is maintained within a certain threshold and does not lead to an open war, could not be ruled out in future.

In such a conflict, tactical nuclear weapons could be used on an army formation that had entered Pakistan was poised to cut some vital areas, Khan writes.

He also reveals he was refused permission for the Pakistan Air Force to "buzz" New Delhi in retaliation for the Indian Air Force's MiG-25 spy planes breaking the sound barrier over Islamabad while flying at a height of 72,000 feet.

"We were busy in a parliamentary party meeting in the National Assembly presided over by the prime minister when a messenger informed me that Air Chief Marshal Farooq Feroze wanted to speak to me. I went to the green line telephone (phone which scrambles conversations). He informed me that his fighters were ready to take off and enter India from three directions in retaliation to the IAF MIG-25Rs flight over Islamabad breaking the sound barrier at 72,000 ft a few days ago," Khan writes.

"He wanted the prime minister's approval. Which areas of India will you fly over, I asked and found that there was no population in their flight path. I suggested we must fly over Delhi. Get me the permission, said the air marshal.

"I went back to the committee room and informed the prime minister about the air marshal's suggested flight path and my suggestions that we fly over Delhi. No need to do either, said the prime minister. I went back and informed the air marshal to stand down," Khan writes.

He also laments that the Pakistan Air Force, citing high maintenance costs and non-availability of spares, had phased out its F-104 Starfighters, the only aircraft capable of taking on the MiG-25s.

"India had four MIG-25Rs for high altitude reconnaissance. These aircraft could climb up to 81,000 ft. Pakistan had no fighter interceptor to climb to such height nor any ground-to-air anti-aircraft missiles to shoot such a plane down. These MIG-25Rs had a free run over Pakistan's vital installations.

"The PAF had the F-104 Starfighter which were designed to intercept high-flying (MiG-25s). They could go up to a height of 81,000 ft. These fighters had been phased out some years ago. The PAF knew that the Indian Air Force (IAF) had the MIG-25Rs and as such should have maintained some F-104 Starfighters to be used as interceptors.

"The high-cost to maintain them should have been overruled as some could have been cannibalised for parts. In any case, spare parts for the F-104 were easily available from some friendly countries," Khan writes.




Seriously get a full time job mate. I know we grate onto you, but that doesn't give you carteblanche to reduce yourself to a joke ..

Now LOOK what you've done! And that after they'd got serious and started stating facts.

Lets assume your F16 has foxbat on its radar ,then can you tell me how will it shoot it ,and also lets agree F16 is at 60000 ft and foxbat at 70000 ft and the distance between them say is 50 km.

This is mean of you, dragging the whole sublime discussion down to figures. They have already stated a fact.

Windy, which SAMs did you guys have in 1997? I'll tell you:

Crotale : Flight ceiling VT-1: 6,000 m, Mk3: 9,000 m

The rest were just MANPADS and AA guns. Needless to say, none could reach an altitude of 70,000 ft!

So your contention that your VAs/VPs were well protected by SAMs etc is incorrect. You had nothing in your inventory which could even come close to a Foxbat.

Silly boy.

Deus effluvit et dissipati sunt. "The wind blew and they were scattered." You haven't read history or what?

 

[ebrahym]

Since when they have started making cricket balls as big as 50 CM

phr main na e samjhon?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes yes dear, but did the PAF have the F14? or even the viper with BVR in 1990s?

Again, interruptions by the mean. And that after a fact has been stated.

Winddy seems to be starting threads like these to have a feel good factor. no credible links are given , just supposition.
https://defence.pk/threads/did-pakistani-fire-caused-iaf-jaguar-losses.441177/

This opens up a box of delicious possibilities, as counter-proposals.

we can see who cant come to a reply


ni bhai ............ matlab sachi muchi ............ yar aap tou phr Soviet sy b aagy ho yar ...... even wo bi Pakistani territory main penetrate ni thy kar saky ...... Indian airforce the best . but have just lost a plane in bay of bengal and lost two in kargil against no air force


and an indian member feel so annoyed on a pakistani who post threads in a pakitani forum ..... bhai taliyan

Please read your signature. Please take your own good advice.

 

[ebrahym]

Please read your signature. Please take your own good advice

you do know thats practically impossible Right?

 

[Joe Shearer]

you do know thats practically impossible Right?

Here you go, taking the only positive take-away from this particular discussion. Ah, but then you too are stating a fact.

 

[Basel]

what high altitude sam do you have for current threats like an mki at 60k+ft and dont say f16's

Officially HQ-16 & SPADA MR SAMs are available to defend high value targets while it is said that HQ-9 is also available to protect very high value targets and Pakistan is in talks with Russia for purchase od Buk M-3, Pantsir S-2, Tor latest versions.

Crotale is an effective SHORAD CLOS weapon till today. I don't know what you are on about.

Many here didn't believe that HQ-2 was capable to intercept Mig-25 and it was ready to fire if orders were given to intercept.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Again, interruptions by the mean. And that after a fact has been stated.



This opens up a box of delicious possibilities, as counter-proposals.



Please read your signature. Please take your own good advice.

Been trying to contact you, call me if you can .

 

[Ultima Thule]

no no they are not afraid of our F-16 but our pigeon

 

[wiseone2]

Officially HQ-16 & SPADA MR SAMs are available to defend high value targets while it is said that HQ-9 is also available to protect very high value targets and Pakistan is in talks with Russia for purchase od Buk M-3, Pantsir S-2, Tor latest versions.



Many here didn't believe that HQ-2 was capable to intercept Mig-25 and it was ready to fire if orders were given to intercept.

Pantsir S-1 was a range of 9 km. it would not work against a MiG-25 flying at 70000 feet
plus the iaf has retired all mig-25s. in the future the mig-25 role would be replaced with UAVs

 

[Basel]

Pantsir S-1 was a range of 9 km. it would not work against a MiG-25 flying at 70000 feet
plus the iaf has retired all mig-25s. in the future the mig-25 role would be replaced with UAVs

Please read post carefully before replying to it.

 

[DJ_Viper]

The first F-18 downed on the first day was by a Mig-25. Specifically January 17 1991, Lt Commander Michael Scott Speicher Bureau No 163484.

Your logic is confusing for me.

Thanks.

Of course my logic is confusing to you because it doesn't serve your biased purpose . And here is Lt. Commander Michael Scott's incident details for you. There was a Foxbat that fired 5 missiles on an F-15. But the F-15, even though empties out of missiles at that time, still managed to escape. Speaks volumes for the Foxbat.

Always remember that there may be some people on here, who know what they are talking about. Please don't waste my time by writing a response without facts or with ill facts. I won't respond unless I see something valid. Thank you.

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U.S. Veterans Dispatch/1996
Ted Sampley

Lt. Cmdr. Micahel S. Speicher: Expendable

There is no chance Lt. Cmdr. Michael S. Speicher survived, Defense Secretary Dick Cheney assured the American people within hours of the Navy pilot's failure to return to the aircraft carrier Saratoga on the night of Jan. 16, 1991. He was last heard from over Iraqi flying northeast toward Baghdad.

Speicher, 33, of Jacksonville, Fla, was the first U. S. pilot shot down in the Gulf War. He left a wife, a 3-year-old daughter and a 1-year old son.

On Jan. 18, 1991, less than 48-hours after Speicher became missing, the Pentagon said his single-seat FA-18 Hornet fighter bomber was shot down by an Iraqi surface-to-air missile. The plane "exploded to bits" in the sky after being hit.
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[ebrahym]

Here you go, taking the only positive take-away from this particular discussion. Ah, but then you too are stating a fact.

yeah i just figured mate .............