Foreigners that have joined the nationality of China: basically all long life span

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Because the proposal sounds extreme on the surface, almost like it is not thought out properly (almost like you don't care about China), thus it is reasonable to expect others to respond with criticism. The criticism so far had been logical and realistic based on precedent. At millions per year, the types of immigrants you will be getting aren't all like the people in the pictures you have shown and the times have changed. Those people came to support China when it was dirt poor, now most people just go for economic opportunities without consideration for the host nation, different global environment so you should learn to play with different rules. Some amount of people receiving PR would do good for China imo but a bachelor's degree means so little nowadays. Where are you going to find 2-5 million immigrants to China a year? where do you think the likely source would be? Since a proposal was made, I hope you can convince more people to support it.

Adam I wish for you to travel and see the world more, talk more people and try to understand people's concerns from different strata of society. It might not directly affect you or me but think about society holistically and longer time horizon.

I'm sure you are proud and good for you Adam. Are there more CCP members with similar views as you? or are your ideas original?

You think too much,Ordinary chinese has more freedom than Americain,if you know really China and you know it is true! Chinese will never get shot to death on street by an chinese policemen,this i can assure you!

 

[Mamluk]

Out marriage rates are sky high. The Asian population in many Western countries will be gone within 2-3 genrations. This is not by accident. It was social engineered by racist white men.

What's that like? I suppose White men marrying Asian women, leaving fewer women for Asian men (since it's harder for Asian men to get non-Asian women). So yeah less full blooded Asians each generation.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

American society is a highly competitive stove society. If you have money, even if you kill someone, you can hire a barrister to offender. If you have no money, even if you are white, you will be starved to death.

This social state has nothing to do with race, but it is the problem of American social system.

I do not think that the United States is really democratic with rule of law. If the rich people of the United States think that a law is not good, they can revise this law through the National Assembly.
However, I admit that in the area of local elections in the United States, many practices are worthy of China’s learning. China’s top leaders are actually very strong and skilled and powerful coz they experienced so much practices. The problem in China is that the bottom leaders are responsible to their superior leaders at the top level, not to the local people. Local people feel not respected in some level.

Two points：

1) Improve local elections, and local officials are responsible to local people;
2) The allocation right of funds belong to various levels of parliament, not by a single leader，as well as Dissolving all state-owned enterprises..

 

[Viet]

I don't think you are exaggerating, Chinese citizenship is nearly impossible to acquire statistically speaking but PR is possible but still difficult. Eventually I think it would be easier for some people to acquire PR. The system is already becoming more open to more applicants due to changing policies.


Thanks for adding that line to my post Adam "Do not care the rest of the world,just bizing make me rich and rich....." , I like your sense of humour很有幽默感 but that is not my world view. I do care about the underprivileged, I just don't think mass immigration is the way to solve their issues sustainably and I do like your sense of global justice.

I have been to many countries and seen what happens to countries with large amounts of immigration and talked to its locals of different demographics (Europe too). There are examples of bad outcomes or potentially bad outcomes and ones with good outcomes, there is a science to this. One German girl told me how she admired the French for their ability to be proud of their nation and traditional identity since outward displays in Germany is frowned upon. She felt lucky and safe since she lives in a small town in Germany due to mass immigration.

If you don't solve the income issue for the existing Chinese (low income ones) and introduce millions of immigrants, society will become unstable but it won't be visible at first. This is why I praise the extreme poverty alleviation initiative, it would give China a better foundation to develop future policies. Chinese who are poor from certain places are very competitive if opportunities are given to them and would do many things to get it.

If I recall correctly Adam, you are from Anhui province and I am not particularly aware of the situation in that province. I know people from Shanxi and they tell me about stories about the coal disputes that are chilling and stories about the rural tax collectors during the 90s in poor parts of Northern China. Many people didn't make it out alive. Coal was a way the ordinary can become filthy rich overnight. Some poor people can be very organised and aggressive. It is better if China focused on improving their lives first and giving them opportunities. This doesn't mean I am absolutely against immigration. National interests are the foundation for any grand visions you may have for helping the world.


Canada is actually quite safe, there is barely any violent crime here and the cops aren't trigger happy. There are people that look like they are up to no good but you can easily profile them. America on the other hand, you would be right about many parts of that country. Violent crime is rampant in America and some parts functions like the third world. China is very safe compared to many countries around the world. Now Chinese cops can carry guns but many still don't because of the paper work and they don't find the need to since China is society with little violent crime needing a gun.

China is not an immigrant country. Basically you don’t welcome foreigners. Look, apart of Koreans that live in China since centuries, how many immigrants live China? If putting China population in comparison it is Virtually non extent. Not even the Viet people as the group sharing most identities with the Chinese. While Chinese immigrated to Vietnam in hundreds of thousands, Vietnamese immigrants to China just zig thousands thru hundreds of years.

You can be relaxed. I expect more foreigners leaving China than immigrating to China.

 

[Cybernetics]

China is not an immigrant country. Basically you don’t welcome foreigners. Look, apart of Koreans that live in China since centuries, how many immigrants live China? If putting China population in comparison it is Virtually non extent. Not even the Viet people as the group sharing most identities with the Chinese. While Chinese immigrated to Vietnam in hundreds of thousands, Vietnamese immigrants to China just zig thousands thru hundreds of years.

You can be relaxed. I expect more foreigners leaving China than immigrating to China.

I think you can be more relaxed. I've never been the one to talk bad or be against Viets or Vietnam. Many of my arguments are macro and often not arguing for my personal biases, it is based on the information I see from various sources (primary, secondary, print, etc).

For example I could be pro immigration but argue against it due to evidence I see.

For your comment on forigeners being non existent in China, they have all been assimilated over the course of history. The Uighur empire people were assimilated into the Han in northern China like Gansu, including parts of southern China. The original Uighurs were East Asian looking people, while the modern Uyghurs are a group that later mixed with central Asians plus others. Han Chinese are a mixed group of people though they do tend to share a few ancestors. Some people are classified as ethnic manchus but a larger group have Manchu ancestry but classified as Han.

This mixing is pretty evident in Southern China as well. Due to the mountains, sometimes this heterogeneity is more visible, displaying the characteristics of many groups while identifying as Han.

 

[somsak]

The best way to solve the problem is to have many children. Bring back family value. Bring back the helpful uncles, .. etc. Forget about x Child policy. Make it atleast 2 children policy or face high tax. Those with 4 or more get tax break. This is the way to go.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Yes, but it's more nuanced than that. The out marriage percentage are not natural. They're forced through systematic racism. The biggest tragedy are their children www.halfasian.org and https://www.reddit.com/r/Hapas/top.
This is what Chinese such as @Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA does not understand about non-Chinese [East Asians in general]. They're NOT harmonious people relative to us on a group level. Psychological warfare, bullying, lies, discrimination, etc are things that pervade their society. This is has been going on for close to 2 centuries now with no signs of stopping.

@Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA , if you really are part of the CCP, please warn them. Spread the word. China does a lot of things right, but they don't understand how much racist hatred Whites in general have for China and East Asian people. The other problem is that they spread this racist poison everywhere so Blacks, Hispanics, etc also learn to hate us too. These are not problems that China can solve by being "nice". Give an inch. They take a mile.

we do not care dude,we care only economical development more than anythings , let us take care of this when China have 25000 USD per capita shall we?!
Maybe our offspring can solve it beter than our genrations!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

The best way to solve the problem is to have many children. Bring back family value. Bring back the helpful uncles, .. etc. Forget about x Child policy. Make it atleast 2 children policy or face high tax. Those with 4 or more get tax break. This is the way to go.

With high economy development level,even 10 children policy would not work anymore!
It is the economical law!

That is really short sighted. The quality of a nation is largely dependent on iq, social harmony, and leadership. You introduce anti-Asian people into the mix and you lose that social harmony and also dumb people down. The little Africa experiment in Southern China was a complete disaster. The rampant racist white sexpat ESL "teachers" is a giant disaster. You want more of this lunacy? Let's see how these experiments worked out in the West.

Roughly half of Blacks and Hispanics want to secede and form their own country in America.

Multicultrialism was a big factor in Brexit.

Canada, Australia, America, New Zealand, UK are all fanning the flames of anti-Asian hatred -- particularly, against the Chinese. And you want to bring them over? That is indefensible.

Here's the latest contribution from your ESL "teachers". They are fucking Chinese students on the daily. The CCP can't hide these rampant sex predators forever for your precious GDP. The government needs to man up instead of kissing white ***. How will Chinese men react when they can't find wives and see useless sex predators fucking and dumping Chinese women left and right?

I can't tell much difference between this and the century of humiliation. 100 years ago, they raped Chinese women for free. Today, Chinese people pay them and celebrate it as social harmony. Have you people lost your minds?

You can not be small !

If they are blacks with bacherlor or above degress and those women agreed,i have no problem with that!
Bachelor degree or above at least!
Check my words dude!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Chill dude... . .this will reverse whne china become richer and richer,we can hate white people as we want but you can not change bill gates wealth!

the better way to do is become Jake MA!

which means become rich!

Rich as Jack MA of ALIBABA,what kind of girl you can not get!?

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Chill dude... .

Neither you or my opinion matters the Chinese immigration policy mode formulated by poeple like us!
No need to be so serious!
I think Chinese is doing great,one signle China population equal to whole western countries combined!
The next thing is to let China more powerful than western countries combined and than kill some western people to make new rules like they kill us in Yugoslavian Chinese Embassy!

No. I don't need the reverse. The sex is a side issue. The main issue is racial composition and a shocking lack of self respect. The only thing that keeps Asian countries from self destruction is strict immigration. The people and culture are useless against aggressive foreigners. We are too nice and accommodating and tolerant. They are too aggressive and predatory. In this battle, the victor is obvious. We can see the result in East Asians living in the West. A complete social massacre. If China fucks this up then it can kiss everything else good bye.

Jack Ma is goofy business manlet, but of course you would pick him as a role model as East Asians tend to think money and status solves everything. It does not. Singapore, SK, and Japan have decent incomes. No foreigners respect their men and their women are infamous white worshipers. Think about it.

I hope your social ineptitude is not endemic to the CCP, but judging from their shit-tier soft power efforts, my hope is limited. I've said my piece. Good bye.

Plus why we care western people opinion anyway??
We are rich and have happy life,whatever western opinion is!

 

[Mista]

A major solution to the negative growth of the Chinese population is to turn China into a small-scale immigration country: absorbs 0.5 millions to 2.5 millions immigrants each year from overseas.

The number of immigrants required to arrest China's population decline is extremely big.

Even the 1m refugees refugees admitted to Germany will do little to reverse the population decline there.

Refugees arriving in 2015-16, Germany:

Even with successful integration, only huge migrant inflows over many years would change the demographic outlook. Some 500,000 people are forecast to retire annually over the next few years. By comparison the government has been planning for a net immigration of 200,000 per annum. Last year’s refugee surge took the net immigration figure — immigration minus emigration — to a record 1.1m. The ensuing outcry suggests that such inflows are almost certainly politically and socially unsustainable. Immigration can help manage the demographic change but it is unlikely to avert it.

https://www.ft.com/content/a4d8316e-8566-11e6-8897-2359a58ac7a5

Even Germany, a highly developed country with 80m people, can't attract enough quality immigrants to make up for their demographic shortfall. They will have to compromise quality to admit a larger quantity of immigrants to reverse the population decline.

I'm willing to bet that even Japan with 127m people can't reverse their population decline with liberal immigration, much less China.

 

[randomradio]

All foreigners who have obtained a bachelor's degree or above can directly immigrate to China. As long as they can find a job within one yea..........

Do not underestimate the power of the Chinese Communist Party. If there is a force that is the same as that of the Communist Party of China, it is the reproductive ability of cancer cells.

China only allows expats with temporary residency at best. To get permanent residency, you have to be pretty special. If you don't get permanent residency, you will be kicked out after you turn 60.

If a foreigner marries a Chinese man/woman, then you get a temporary residency, but you can't be employed in China. And you will still get kicked out after you turn 60.

China is one of the least friendly countries for immigration.

Where are you going to find 2-5 million immigrants to China a year? where do you think the likely source would be?

If you want those numbers, then you only need to look to your neighbours.

The problem with any immigration to China would be the weak court system where we can't sue the establishment if we are wronged. So we can have only a short term expat population there. Only those who do not want to be a major part of the system will be willing to stay for longer periods, ie, many years.

The only way to avoid this tragedy is to apply very strict quality standards.

If you apply high standards, then it's the children of these immigrants who will become dangerous to your system.

If your standards are low, then even the 2nd and 3rd generation children will mostly struggle.

No. it is very difficult if not impossible to get chinese citizenship. many Viet women are married to Chinese men but remain Vietnamese for many years if not forever. it is 100 times easier to become Vietnamese or German than becoming Chinese.

You must be China´s national heros or some sorts of to get citizenship. That is not a joke.

Yep. You're right there.

During the 1990s? (IIRC), Blacks rioted and attacked many businesses. White police were sent in. The protected WHITE businesses and left the Korean Americans to defend themselves. This is known as the LA Riots.

That had more to do with the lack of political power on part of the Korean-Americans. The police couldn't be bothered with powerless people when they were already under-manned to deal with the riots.

But any immigrants into China will face the same problem.

It has nothing to do with race, everything to do with political power.

And unlike the Koreans in America, the immigrants into China will not have guns.