Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

[Falcon29]

Absolutely. In fact, I think this sad and tragic incident just gave Donald Trump edge over everyone else. He may have already won. This will create much more distance between Muslims and the remainder of America. I've seen analyses that a huge Muslim migration is expected. Sad part is, only due to a few fu**ing mofo retards actions against humanity, millions other from the same faith will suffer in some way, whether its social isolation, job discrimination, etc, etc. Very sad.

Muslim leaders around the world need to take tougher actions on these crazy fu**ing mullahs who teach this nonsense, radical and inhumane version of Islam. While we hear the slogan "Islam is a peaceful religion"...does it feel so??

Let him win, so what? What are you so worried about? It's liberals and mainstream media that are expressing panic. If it's so worrying for them that he take office, let them put up a fight or do whatever else they need to do.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Absolutely. In fact, I think this sad and tragic incident just gave Donald Trump edge over everyone else. He may have already won. This will create much more distance between Muslims and the remainder of America. I've seen analyses that a huge Muslim migration is expected. Sad part is, only due to a few fu**ing mofo retards actions against humanity, millions other from the same faith will suffer in some way, whether its social isolation, job discrimination, etc, etc. Very sad.

Muslim leaders around the world need to take tougher actions on these crazy fu**ing mullahs who teach this nonsense, radical and inhumane version of Islam. While we hear the slogan "Islam is a peaceful religion"...does it feel so??

Everything read good until the bold part

 

[Viper0011.]

I've lived most of my life in Denmark. I can't be politically correct forever so im gonna say it. Turks are Sunni Muslims as well, but i've never seen a Turk who baosted with the benefits he/she got from the system and they were grateful for the oppurtunities. This is due to Turkey being somewhat developed compared to the rest of the Middle East, and i remind you Turkey is 99% Muslim as well.

I don't think this has much to do with the religion Islam. This is mostly due to the backwardness of these countries from Middle East. Islam feeds into the grievances of these people who were brought up under the worst circumstances, and the availability of Wahabism and its extremity is easily indoctrinated in these areas where the youth got no job, no education and fed with anti-West ideas 24/7. You don't solve this problem by bombing these countries back to the stone age, these are human beings, they recreate and they remember. You solve it by cutting the head of the snake, Wahabism. Trace it, fight it with every means. Support the countries most influential and powerful in the region = Turkey.

Thanks for deciding to open up. Problem is not Islam at the core of it or Muslims as there are 1.4 billion of them and everyone understands that. The problem is, the Muslim world hasn't taken care of their internal mess for decades. The Muslim leaders across the globe need to stand up, stand together and put toughest penalties on effing mullahs who teach others to go murder others. Killing isn't allowed in any religion. These innocent people in Orlando, were just enjoying the night the way their culture is used to. There was NO reason, whatsoever for them to see blood at a social gathering. Let alone, die off bullets as if they came to effing Afghanistan or Syria.

This problem is being ignored by the world. There needs to be toughest stance and punishments in laws (and enforced) by all Muslim governments to make sure no one provides these teachings and brainwashing to the youth. In that regards, there were recent laws passed by Bangladesh on this terrorism crap and they executed some large clerics who had been involved with this crap. I am not for execution of any human, no matter who they are. But this example shows someone is serious in making sure their society is safe from this mess of terrorism and from teachings that create terrorists. I think other countries should follow Bangladesh and create laws prohibiting extremism teachings (with serious punishments and not just talk)!!

 

[hussain0216]

Yup, all this is coming. Let Trump come and this will happen. I'd expect Muslims will be much less in numbers when he comes. And I think this incident further strengthened his position on this issue. Can you blame him or the Americans for feeling this way?? No, you can't. When they allowed these people in, this is the payback of providing care and a future to these people??

American isn't next to Iraq or Afghanistan. These effing people came here, went through the process and were given opportunity at life that they otherwise wouldn't have in their own hell-like country. And this is the pay back? This isn't about wars. This is about people who CAME to the US for an opportunity and the USA gave it to them. Allowed these displaced people to use the system, welfare, benefits, etc, etc. And this is the payoff we get!!

Revenge, is the motivating factor

You can be someones life long friend but if you are on a constant basis harming people (israel, iraq, Afghanistan etc) that he identifies with he may have a limit to how much he can take

Reality is regardless of the carnage so decades of support for israeli apartheid, repeated involvement in musl8m world, support for tyrants and dictators snd outright war and bombing most muslims cant and wont do anything except be saddened, angry etc

But someone is bound to snap now and then, its a numbers game

 

[Viper0011.]

Everything read good until the bold part

That's a question majority of the non-Muslim world and majority of the American ask. Does Islam look peaceful when you see people killing innocents in the name of Islam? Like this bast*ards Orlando shooter called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS before he killed dozens of innocent civilians and injured many dozens more? You can't ignore these facts and just dislike the question above. The question is real......and the answer isn't clear!

 

[SQ8]

Before I had a discussion with you about Hadith, and now you made it clear you'd prefer Quranic sources, which made me assume you only consider those legitimate, so my mistake if I made an unfair assumption. Regarding the Hadith, I did give you the sources. One was Sunan Tirhmidi, the other Sunan Abu Dawood, one of the 6 most reliable books as far as Sunni's goes. The two most authentic are Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim obviously, that doesn't mean the rest aren't. Each play their own role.

My rhetoric regarding Hadith was fair, because as I said it appeared you reject Hadith. At this point though, I'm not sure what else you're asking me for?

I havent given a preference for anything. As I stated before, having actual knowledge of religion versus copy pasting is a vast differrence. The basic rule for a Hadiath is that it cannot contradict the Quran, and if it adds something not mentioned at all, then it must have solid background. Im sure reading from wikipedia will give you Sunan Tirmidhi and Abu Dawood but they are not the most reliable books but taken as part of 6 considered having known authentic hadiath.
However, Sahih Bukhari is taken as the main focus of all hadiath due to much more solid research put into it. Tirmidi is praised for its organisation but has lot of weakly reported Hadiath. Its funny how you admit to it in red but because it enforces your point you have overlooked it as most argumentative folk and not those for actual information would.
What is their own role? This isnt a supporting cast of a play, this is a collection of research on what the prophet said or not.

If you do not have the knowledge, or cannot bring a solid point.. you can agree to disagree and move on.. but please dont expect to sound authentic on religion when you arent even close. Khalas.

Thanks for deciding to open up. Problem is not Islam at the core of it or Muslims as there are 1.4 billion of them and everyone understands that. The problem is, the Muslim world hasn't taken care of their internal mess for decades. The Muslim leaders across the globe need to stand up, stand together and put toughest penalties on effing mullahs who teach others to go murder others. Killing isn't allowed in any religion. These innocent people in Orlando, were just enjoying the night the way their culture is used to. There was NO reason, whatsoever for them to see blood at a social gathering. Let alone, die off bullets as if they came to effing Afghanistan or Syria.

This problem is being ignored by the world. There needs to be toughest stance and punishments in laws (and enforced) by all Muslim governments to make sure no one provides these teachings and brainwashing to the youth. In that regards, there were recent laws passed by Bangladesh on this terrorism crap and they executed some large clerics who had been involved with this crap. I am not for execution of any human, no matter who they are. But this example shows someone is serious in making sure their society is safe from this mess of terrorism and from teachings that create terrorists. I think other countries should follow Bangladesh and create laws prohibiting extremism teachings (with serious punishments and not just talk)!!

What can muslim socieites do when we have an idiot in Orlando supporting terrorism and hatred weeks before this, and then other idiots in places like Michigan and Ohio calling for caliphates and Jihad while they sit pretty to earn their social security.

I am all for forming a muslim volunteer group that hunts these people down, makes citizen's arrests and ensures that at the very least we deport them out of our country. The Muslim majority countries can take these people and parade them as heroes, dont want none of that here.

 

[Clutch]

That's a question majority of the non-Muslim world and majority of the American ask. Does Islam look peaceful when you see people killing innocents in the name of Islam? Like this bast*ards Orlando shooter called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS before he killed dozens of innocent civilians and injured many dozens more? You can't ignore these facts and just dislike the question above. The question is real......and the answer isn't clear!

It's only going to get worse... just fyi.

The war in terror is only going to create more terrorists. Like or not... the mess isn't going to just stay in the Muslim land.

 

[VCheng]

May this be the incident which results in Americans finally start implementing tougher gun laws and outlaw auto rifles for civis cuz thats the only way to prevent future incidents like this
This incident was a lone wolf type attack gun control is the only way to minimize future incidents like this

Let us wait for the investigation to complete, but one thing is clear: It is totally false of the shooter's father and the family to say that they had no idea. Such lies do a huge disservice. The process of such radicalization is evident to family members, but they choose to stay silent, making them culpable as well, at least morally.

 

[Clutch]

Absolutely. In fact, I think this sad and tragic incident just gave Donald Trump edge over everyone else. He may have already won. This will create much more distance between Muslims and the remainder of America. I've seen analyses that a huge Muslim migration is expected. Sad part is, only due to a few fu**ing mofo retards actions against humanity, millions other from the same faith will suffer in some way, whether its social isolation, job discrimination, etc, etc. Very sad.

Muslim leaders around the world need to take tougher actions on these crazy fu**ing mullahs who teach this nonsense, radical and inhumane version of Islam. While we hear the slogan "Islam is a peaceful religion"...does it feel so??

I think American Muslims are living in borrowed time. The visible muslims would be the first to migrate to avoid the backlash. The liberal ones will get the brunt the worst because they will be only ones left to bear the onslaught.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Let us wait for the investigation to complete, but one thing is clear: It is totally false of the shooter's father and the family to say that they had no idea. Such lies do a huge disservice. The process of such radicalization is evident to family members, but they choose to stay silent, making them culpable as well, at least morally.

This is true. For example, the Paris attack mastermind (Abdeslam) was in fact very well known in Belgium. People know, they just don't want to say anything.

 

[Jackdaws]

What is ironic is that this virulent strain of Wahabi Islam has been fueled by Western petro-dollars paid to Saudi Arabia. The US was scared of the spread of communism and spent billions in countering it even though the Soviet Union spent $7 billion to spread communist ideology. In contrast, Saudi Arabia has spent over $100 billion to spread its narrow minded Wahabi Islam and has been the the equivalent of taking a wrecking ball to many societies. The major Islamic countries need to step in and stop this radicalism. Sad, how these retards driven by religion pick the softest and most defenseless of targets.

 

[jhungary]

Clash of ideals, I would say.

Not condoning the killings in any way or form, but I won't shy away from expressing my displeasure of perversion of societal values in the form of LGBT movement. I despise the filth of LGBT and Terrorism equally.


Billions?

Thinks he included the people killed by Ottoman and Persian era........They were Muslim and they did conquered most of the Europe by force.

 

[Zibago]

Let us wait for the investigation to complete, but one thing is clear: It is totally false of the shooter's father and the family to say that they had no idea. Such lies do a huge disservice. The process of such radicalization is evident to family members, but they choose to stay silent, making them culpable as well, at least morally.

How do you differentiate between a hater and a potential killer?

I think American Muslims are living in borrowed time. The visible muslims would be the first to migrate to avoid the backlash. The liberal ones will get the brunt the worst because they will be only ones left to bear the onslaught.

At worst there would be increased survelliance and distrust by general population thats it and Muslims will start hiding their religion and that is the very worst that could happen even under a Trump administration

 

[Anubis]

I used to live in Georgia...but when I moved to NY I found out that my landlord sends his kids to madrasas....I was kind of surprised to learn that madrasas existed in the US...but after finding out how conservative people were that they would risk their children's futures(I mean who is going to hire a madrasa graduate here) I was kind of shocked...we need to find out the sources of radicalization...madrasas and mosques should be monitored(and I mean not just during friday prayers...I do not think people would scream "Death to America" in public gatherings of friday prayers...monitor them in off hours...when small groups of people meet(thats where the real shit happens...atleast in BD thats how it worked) and target groups vulnerable to radicalization(not 70 year old Muslim grandmas) ie young kids...college students and monitor their internet usage....none of the things I mentioned are that hard to do.

 

[Viper0011.]

I think American Muslims are living in borrowed time. The visible muslims would be the first to migrate to avoid the backlash. The liberal ones will get the brunt the worst because they will be only ones left to bear the onslaught.

"onslaught"......is an interesting and seriously wrong term. This is America we are talking about.The most welcoming and most accepting nation on the planet. I would be highly surprised if things go to that level where people are attacked, this is simply not the American society who does crap like this. We know better.

I was referring to some increase in discrimination at employment and some issues economically with businesses and stuff. But nothing too drastic. But the American Muslims will be protected under the same constitution I or anyone else is. We are not India where a minority member can be killed like a fly because he or she ate beef, or China, where someone can be disappeared if they talked about "the Party in a disobedient way".

America doesn't work like that, its that simple. We respect humanity even if we have strong feelings about some issue. On my way home every day, I see an Islamic Center off of one of the main roads I drive on. The beauty of America is, even after these attacks, we know that Muslims are humans and not everyone's a bad guy. In fact, 99% have lived here peacefully for decades, going back to 1900's. So, keeping that in mind, I saw double the police presence their today due to these sad incidents that took place, just to protect any retaliation. I saw the same on a Synagogue and a big Church this morning too.

ONLY in America, you'll find this level of constitutional protection. Nowhere on Earth will this happen like this. That moment, these things make you proud of your country , the system and the law enforcement guys who understood that no matter what happened yesterday, they needed to protect general public and stop another yesterday from happening. This speaks volumes for our American values of protecting human rights and lives.