Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

[livingdead]

I've never heard of conservatives killing gays.

gay bashing is pretty much a myth.

thats the impression I got, I might be wrong. if you have to find commonality among majority of people who have homophobia in US, what would that be? or is it just random people of all sorts of persuasion hating gays?

 

[Nilgiri]

All Abrahamic faith are clear on position regarding homosexuality, it has no relation to Middle East oil or Saudi Arabia or anything mate. I'm not anti-Islam, I equally criticize all these religions. I just believe humans no longer need these religions. And we can't claim everything is just 'extremist' interpretation, as if the God who made revealed this books made so many mistakes and wasn't sure what he is presenting.

Christians and Jews did the same thing, they blamed 'extreme' or 'literal' interpretations for almost everything in the original scriptures. And they took all of it out, and now they claim they have religion that is compatible with modern world. Sure they do, but they just spit in the face of their God, took out all his commandments, laws, and traditions he ordained upon them, and called it a day. So now, it's okay to drink alcohol, okay to be gay, okay to do pre-marital sex, okay to be unfair to other segments of society(poor), okay to not offer prayer, okay to separate Church and state, etc....

They have legitimized forbidden things in their religion and gave religion entire new meaning. If they truly believed in their God, they would not absolutely disregard him in that way, and put words in his mouth. They do so, because they don't actually believe such a God is real, nor do they believe in hell or heaven, let alone an afterlife. Which means they believe religion is man made, and are at least agnostic if not atheist. So if everyone is agnostic, why not identify as such? Because religion still gives them material benefit, power and influence. They took what they need from it, and dumped the core of it.

And world would be much better off if we were just more honest with ourselves, and moved away from religion.



Apologize, glad you got it now.

If there is no god, it would be necessary to invent him. I think Voltaire said that.

Our psyche is still very tribal influenced.

Ideally everyone should be reading philosophy. I find even those that leave religion, end up filling the void with something else others have thought out (like statism, hardcore atheism, leftism, communism etc.) to fill that power structure the human psyche craves. Few are willing to be completely neutral and be like Aristotle, where evidence is the only avenue to ultimate truth. Hopefully one day humanity can migrate towards full rationalism but still keep elements of culture and keep a lively debate on epistemology. Few people even contemplate such things.....fewer still actually explore philosophy deeply. When I read Socrates, Plato and especially Aristotle...it was a wonderful treasure to behold because it was a work in progress...and that has not changed today.

 

[dray]

I thought its a rightwing christian nutjob when I heard the news.

And I thought....again...!!

This has become a pretty regular affair, but people are expected to remain politically correct, or to be labelled as victims of phobic disorder.

 

[Nilgiri]

And I thought....again...!!

This has become a pretty regular affair, but people are expected to remain politically correct, or to be labelled as victims of phobic disorder.

Thats why Trump is going to win now...I am almost 100% sure of it. Watch over the next few weeks or so what happens politically.

 

[livingdead]

And I thought....again...!!

This has become a pretty regular affair, but people are expected to remain politically correct, or to be labelled as victims of phobic disorder.

no.. not really regular.. whenever there is a mass shooting in US I dont go, oh another muslim, rather.. oh no, not again.. you can list the mass shooting in last(choose your own period) and tell us what you think... majority are not perpetrated by muslims.

 

[Bratva]

A friendly reminder to all service personal... wear your helmet.

https://twitter.com/x/status/742009920808210432

@waz do you think we could get the thread cleaned up or closed? It's gone waaaaaayyyyy off topic and devolved into a religious discussion.

Thanks.

We are discussing the mentality and ideology which caused this mayhem. These things still come under the purview of this discussion right? Motivation of the killer ?

 

[Viper0011.]

No, I know. But even with all the training those are still semi-auto rifles the gun stores sell. To be able to kill over 50 people single handadly is just insane.

This little strip where Pulse is, has a lot of Clubs and Bars. This one was for LGBT community but next door and around the Pulse, there are dozens of other bars and clubs for non-LGBT. I've spent a lot of time in those non-LGBT establishments drinking and partying when I'd go to Orlando. This area is the downtown Orlando where everyone goes for dinner, drinking and partying or just with friends to have a good time and enjoy.

In a dance club, there are hundreds of people, one crazy MOFO maniac like this with a large weapon can do a lot of damage in a short while like this bast*ard did.

What the f**k was the purpose of killing so many innocents who had nothing to do with anything else and who were just enjoying their weekend? Effing ISIS needs to be carpet bombed and their internet and everything else they use to brainwash people in the West should be blocked permanently. We can't afford Americans getting attacked every few months.

I spoke to a Pakistani doctor friend of mine who lives like a mile away from this. He told me that their entire community is scared and fears retaliation. So bast*ards like this, don't think about others before they commit these acts of terrorism? This is way beyond my common sense. Un-effing believable !!!!!

 

[Zulkarneyn]

This little strip where Pulse is, has a lot of Clubs and Bars. This one was for LGBT community but next door and around the Pulse, there are dozens of other bars and clubs for non-LGBT. I've spent a lot of time in those non-LGBT establishments drinking and partying when I'd go to Orlando. This area is the downtown Orlando where everyone goes for dinner, drinking and partying or just with friends to have a good time and enjoy.

In a dance club, there are hundreds of people, one crazy MOFO maniac like this with a large weapon can do a lot of damage in a short while like this bast*ard did.

What the f**k was the purpose of killing so many innocents who had nothing to do with anything else and who were just enjoying their weekend? Effing ISIS needs to be carpet bombed and their internet and everything else they use to brainwash people in the West should be blocked permanently. We can't afford Americans getting attacked every few months.

I spoke to a Pakistani doctor friend of mine who lives like a mile away from this. He told me that their entire community is scared and fears retaliation. So bast*ards like this, don't think about others before they commit these acts of terrorism? This is way beyond my common sense. Un-effing believable !!!!!

I heard some idiots who fleed the club through the backdoor during the shooting, locked it from the outside after escaping for some inexplicable reason. Perhaps the high death tool is due to these retards?

 

[BDforever]

how come a person go into night club with 3 assault rifles, magazines and gun power without any notice ? wtf going on ?
@SvenSvensonov @Viper0011. and others

 

[SOHEIL]

What kind of stuff used there!?

+100 dead/injured!!!

M-61 ?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Worst mass shooting in US history. Time to heavily restrict the immirgration of people from Muslim countries. Enough of them keep proving they can't adapt to western values.

Sorry, but I love liberal values, if you don't get the **** out.

 

[Viper0011.]

how come a person go into night club with 3 assault rifles, magazines and gun power without any notice ? wtf going on ?
@SvenSvensonov @Viper0011. and others

I am obviously not qualified to answer this as I wasn't there. But the reports say that he shot the one officer who was working after duty hours. The Club's in the US aren't war-zones like this mother fu**er turned Pulse into.

These are social get together places designed for people to meet, hang out and have a good time. Obviously these places don't require Police squad cars. Each Club has their own security like a few people watching but they are just there to ensure drunk people don't fight. We live in America, this isn't effing Afghanistan that we need armed soldiers to stand over our shoulders while we drink or eat or dance!!

I think like 9-11, this incident is about to change America ONE more time. And it will create more distance between Muslims and the rest of America. It is every parent's responsibility to notice what type of a behavior their kids are adapting to. Extremism doesn't hide. And if his father didn't report it, and the people in California didn't report it, either of these tragic incidents resulted in dozens of innocents lives lost without ONE FU*C*ING reason!!

My question is, if you don't like America, why the FU** even live here?? Why not go back to the Heaven they left in Afghanistan and taste life?? A country that gave them a MUCH safer life, work, financial benefits and jobs, they have to bite that same country in the as* all the time? WTF??

I heard some idiots who fleed the club through the backdoor during the shooting, locked it from the outside after escaping for some inexplicable reason. Perhaps the high death tool is due to these retards?

If you go inside a night club, it is PACKED with hundreds of people in a tiny place and you can't walk a step before hitting three or four people so you have to be careful. So in such density, anyone with a small weapon can do a lot of damage. This mother fu**er, had an assault rifle, etc, etc!!!!Go effing figure. Unbelievable!! What the hell did those innocent people do to get this? They were merely out to enjoy an evening with their friends and didn't deserve to be shot so brutally!!

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I am obviously not qualified to answer this as I wasn't there. But the reports say that he shot the one officer who was working after duty hours. The Club's in the US aren't war-zones like this mother fu**er turned Pulse into.

These are social get together places designed for people to meet, hang out and have a good time. Obviously these places don't require Police squad cars. Each Club has their own security like a few people watching but they are just there to ensure drunk people don't fight. We live in America, this isn't effing Afghanistan that we need armed soldiers to stand over our shoulders while we drink or eat or dance!!

I think like 9-11, this incident is about to change America ONE more time. And it will create more distance between Muslims and the rest of America. It is every parent's responsibility to notice what type of a behavior their kids are adapting to. Extremism doesn't hide. And if his father didn't report it, and the people in California didn't report it, either of these tragic incidents resulted in dozens of innocents lives lost without ONE FU*C*ING reason!!

My question is, if you don't like America, why the FU** even live here?? Why not go back to the Heaven they left in Afghanistan and taste life?? A country that gave them a MUCH safer life, work, financial benefits and jobs, they have to bite that same country in the as* all the time? WTF??

When "Christians" kill it's a nutjob's work. When a "muslim" kills it must be due to his faith he did it. Explain the logic, this exact mentality feeds well into the fundamentalist in both extremes

 

[Pandora]

RiP to all poor souls

It official now that an Afghan is involved American will be staying in Afghanistan for a very long time.

 

[gambit]

When "Christians" kill it's a nutjob's work. When a "muslim" kills it must be due to his faith he did it. Explain the logic, this exact mentality feeds well into the fundamentalist in both extremes

Sure...Because Muslim countries have similar if not the same attitudes and ways of dealing with issues.