Fishy,sending $4 billion per year to India from Pakistan

[Nilgiri]

It is ...but how remittance going just like that to India . legalisation is necessary for our economy

If you afford MFN to India and legalise the trade (countering the smuggling and re-routing though UAE) the hawala trade will drop quite drastically.

There is something like 10 billion dollars of trade going on between India and Pak....mostly Pak importing....and only 2.5 billion of it is official taxable direct trade. So you can imagine how much is black money based unofficial trade (again mostly imports Pakistan smuggles in from India and then has to remit the money through hawala and other means).

So trade legalisation will cut a lot of the hawala....but it needs Pakistan to admit it has a problem and stop enforcing bans/restrictions on trade that actually punish its own consumers since people simply go underground and that is not even taxable (and thus Pakistan loses out on official revenue).

 

[Arsalan]

For an emotional piece of writing, i give you full marks. But Pakistan and India are not at war just like Pakistan and UK are not at war despite UK conveniently housing the newly labeled traitor AH. I am often amazed at how quickly the brood of Zaid Hamid has spread all over the internet. If I have an apartment in dubai, doesn't make it my country, my country is where I live, breath and earn my livelihood and call my home. Living in UK while claiming Pakistan to be home is disrespect to your home country.

There is a difference between motherland and the coutry of residence! It is quite simple for us who choose to still put our hope in Pakistan and still consider the issues that we face can be resolved. Should be resolved. You mention that like Pak and UK Pak and India are not at war either. Are you suggesting that Pakistan India relations are same as the Pakistan UK relations?
Only because some people are trying to put the blame on NS (wrongly of course) will you go on and distort the history of relations betwen India and Pakista just to protect him? The simple thing could have been asking for proof. Or are you afraid they might find some?

Our people, living outside Pakistan are a big source of income and foreign exchange inlike our corroupt politicians who are among the top spenders abroad, accounts and properties and what not. Saying that those Pakistani people living abroad like @Kaptaan or many many others like him have no right to invest or call Pakistan home is not only unfair, it is bigotry! Specially when we call the ruling elite as PAKISTANI leaders. Leaders who prefer to spend there eids along with there families. ABROAD!

For me, it is PAKISTAN first. PMLN or PTI or PPP all come after that.

Most of the Pakistanis suffer from acute shortage of patriotism and identity crisis. Most of the people with different flags fit in this class who are aliens in their new home and keep looking back the place they initially left willingly. These people are more interested in declaring the treachery and patriotism because doing so they believe that it bridges their own identity crisis.

People with different flags, yes, including Pakistani ones!
Those living and looting here in Pakistan are sure more patriotic than those who are sweating it abroad and still care to keep that cinnectiin with Pakistan.

 

[hassan zohaib]

Okie but 4/5 billion dollars should be channelised so the way it hits badly our econmy should be rectify and taxs or whatever government should get

u cant do much about it buddy because of corruption in our exise deppt as you can take to india as much as dollars as you want through borders bcz customs officers on our borders are corrupt.if thay put some stricter control then half not whole of this amount would be siphonned off. so needy do what is required and pak is needy here so something much be done.

 

[SBD-3]

There is a difference between motherland and the coutry of residence! It is quite simple for us who choose to still put our hope in Pakistan and still consider the issues that we face can be resolved. Should be resolved. You mention that like Pak and UK Pak and India are not at war either. Are you suggesting that Pakistan India relations are same as the Pakistan UK relations?

Probably if you would have read his original post you would have got the grab of the things. Is Pakistan and India in state of war? Are the diplomatic relationship between the two severed?

Only because some people are trying to put the blame on NS (wrongly of course) will you go on and distort the history of relations betwen India and Pakista just to protect him? The simple thing could have been asking for proof. Or are you afraid they might find some?

If I am distorting the history, please by all means correct me and I expect you to be specific rather than emotional long rants.

Our people, living outside Pakistan are a big source of income and foreign exchange inlike our corroupt politicians who are among the top spenders abroad, accounts and properties and what not. Saying that those Pakistani people living abroad like @Kaptaan or many many others like him have no right to invest or call Pakistan home is not only unfair, it is bigotry! Specially when we call the ruling elite as PAKISTANI leaders. Leaders who prefer to spend there eids along with there families. ABROAD!

There is a difference between the people. The people who hold Pakistani and only Pakistani passport and those who hold other passports and have pledged their loyalties to other countries. If you'd know the first ones are the ones which send remittances to Pakistan. The second class whose whole families live abroad don't send much but become the biggest thakedars of Pakistan even more than the Pakistanis themselves.

People with different flags, yes, including Pakistani ones!
Those living and looting here in Pakistan are sure more patriotic than those who are sweating it abroad and still care to keep that cinnectiin with Pakistan

Yes all Pakistanis are looters if likes of you are to be believed who like to TC the tanks all the times. Probably if they are so loyal they should shun their other nationalities and come to Pakistan but apparently they only comeback to Pakistan to find a final resting place the epic hieght of identity crisis.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

May Allah-u Azimushshan send the Rizk for the Hindistanli Muslims through the hands of Paks. They have nowhere to go as they have been relegated to a socio-economic level below the Dalits -it's official. There's no life for them outside their ghettos. Blaming Paks for all of their misfortunes is the only way out for them - Mr. Modi is the epitome of the consequences for thinking otherwise. Birth is regretted and death is celebrated in those perennially depressing ghettos..

 

[Arsalan]

Probably if you would have read his original post you would have got the grab of the things. Is Pakistan and India in state of war? Are the diplomatic relationship between the two severed?

If I am distorting the history, please by all means correct me and I expect you to be specific rather than emotional long rants.

Oh trust me when i say i have read all his posts and yours. I have gone through the WHOLE thread before i replied to that post of your on page 1!

Distorting history? you are comparing the relations between Pakistan and England with relation between Pakistan and UK and are basing the argument (of charity) on this claim that they are both the same. That is distorting history. Do i need to be more specific? tell you about the wars we had fought? Point you to the numerous disagreements among us? Frankly, i am shocked that you missed such simple point, but then i feel may be you were not looking for it after all!

There is a difference between the people. The people who hold Pakistani and only Pakistani passport and those who hold other passports and have pledged their loyalties to other countries. If you'd know the first ones are the ones which send remittances to Pakistan. The second class whose whole families live abroad don't send much but become the biggest thakedars of Pakistan even more than the Pakistanis themselves.

There is a third kind as well, people who despite numerous attempts to flee the country in hard times have failed and not try and vent out there frustration different ways. You or ME are by no means judge of who is loyal to the country and who is not on a personal level. You ask for proof of corruption by a person the world knows to have invested in foreign nations and you question the loyalty of a Pakistani supporting Pakistan without proof? Double standards? AGAIN?

Yes all Pakistanis are looters if likes of you are to be believed who like to TC the tanks all the times. Probably if they are so loyal they should shun their other nationalities and come to Pakistan but apparently they only comeback to Pakistan to find a final resting place the epic hieght of identity crisis

Ohh,, so that is the depth of your arguments dear? One post and you are restoring to personal insults?
Good going mate!

 

[raja hindustani]

I agree. Even my family sends money to relatives in Lucknow or other parts. It does not have to be plotting against Pakistan. In fact it furthers Pakistani interests through coordination between muslims on both sides.

If you don't mind me asking, where in LKO are your relatives? I've lived here all my life.

 

[salarsikander]

no, they tracked transactions that went via several countries...in multiple hops.. not between pak and india specifically... used some logic known to them, that they think is right and arrived at the conclusion.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ttances-over-3-years/articleshow/51178634.cms

"Reached for an explanation, Dilip Ratha, Manager, Migration and Remittances at the World Bank, said, "The reported remittances from Pakistan to India are not an actual, official data. It is an analytical estimate derived from a global estimation of bilateral remittance flows worldwide. This estimate is just that, an estimate based on logical assumptions.""

yeah but that still doesn't negate the fact that I or for any other pakistani have been sending the zakat to them.

Now these estimates or analytical figures just didn't come out of thin air did it? and as he says there a perfect logical explanation too

 

[X-2.]

Unfortunately , PMLn is run by King , who doesn't bother to inform the citizen about economic policy or changing policy without letting masses know. Some policies are secretly adopted and only few people take absolute advantage.

Of course bad sh sh salamat making alot of money even his nephew hamza getting food for his poultry as wl

u cant do much about it buddy because of corruption in our exise deppt as you can take to india as much as dollars as you want through borders bcz customs officers on our borders are corrupt.if thay put some stricter control then half not whole of this amount would be siphonned off. so needy do what is required and pak is needy here so something much be done.

I agree on much of it stuff but brother bow time is different and it can make the count and we can get over from this filth just matter of time when we will have reforms on law& order and well judicial system without safarfashi parchis.. I see,time is near

If you afford MFN to India and legalise the trade (countering the smuggling and re-routing though UAE) the hawala trade will drop quite drastically.

There is something like 10 billion dollars of trade going on between India and Pak....mostly Pak importing....and only 2.5 billion of it is official taxable direct trade. So you can imagine how much is black money based unofficial trade (again mostly imports Pakistan smuggles in from India and then has to remit the money through hawala and other means).

So trade legalisation will cut a lot of the hawala....but it needs Pakistan to admit it has a problem and stop enforcing bans/restrictions on trade that actually punish its own consumers since people simply go underground and that is not even taxable (and thus Pakistan loses out on official revenue).

Until the peace comes to this region in don't think pak will call mfn to India
Irrespect to that the I illegal money should be restricted to as such as both countries can do,it will help both countries GDP
Trade towards Kashmir and India should be allowed so we have peaceful environment and believe me if Indian army let it allow trade between pak and iok and for India as wl the things wil getting better with in days
Such initiative need to be taken by both countries to bring good future for next generation

 

[LOGICAL BOSSS]

this is very wrong @Feroz Alam Khan
Knows how much this help is important with no jobs and their social condition worsening day by day. You cannot simply ignore the situation and dismiss like that. I am sure the member quoted will understand it much better

I know you will not believe it, but the biggest person responsible for this is they themselves.

They always end up choosing wrong guy for there upliftment . whoever they choose end up in his upliftment .

There is no quota for Muslims in govt. , education or anywhere At all whereas dalits are getting richer day by day.

They are most ignorent for there upliftment. Give top priority to religion and take all commands from sold out Imams

 

[salarsikander]

I know you will not believe it, but the biggest person responsible for this is they themselves.

They always end up choosing wrong guy for there upliftment . whoever they choose end up in his upliftment .

There is no quota for Muslims in govt. , education or anywhere At all whereas dalits are getting richer day by day.

They are most ignorent for there upliftment. Give top priority to religion and take all commands from sold out Imams

The religion does not prohibits them to progress

 

[Crixus]

Thanks a lot Pakistan for helping us in building our economy

a big thanks to all of you

 

[X-2.]

Nawaz Sharif is the culprit. Punish him.

Nawaz and modi both need to be punished or either they both should be sent to Bermuda triangle

Thanks a lot Pakistan for helping us in building our economy

a big thanks to all of you

Remember we are giving u alot of money

 

[Crixus]

Agree 4 billion is a big amount dont you think this has a very big role to play in Pakistan instead of India

Remember we are giving u alot of money

 

[hassan zohaib]

Of course bad sh sh salamat making alot of money even his nephew hamza getting food for his poultry as wl


I agree on much of it stuff but brother bow time is different and it can make the count and we can get over from this filth just matter of time when we will have reforms on law& order and well judicial system without safarfashi parchis.. I see,time is near


Until the peace comes to this region in don't think pak will call mfn to India
Irrespect to that the I illegal money should be restricted to as such as both countries can do,it will help both countries GDP
Trade towards Kashmir and India should be allowed so we have peaceful environment and believe me if Indian army let it allow trade between pak and iok and for India as wl the things wil getting better with in days
Such initiative need to be taken by both countries to bring good future for next generation

then you are not single one in waiting queue and you will not be only one who would be happy so much and you are not alone living in utopia here.