First glimpse into jf-17 block 3?

[Deino]

17 pages ... and no glimpse still.

Indeed ... since some simply seem to be too much eager!
Posting endless hopes and wishes does not help to speed up a schedule given by the manufactor. And if some do not want to listen of can be patient, no-one can help...

 

[Shabi1]

Paris Air Show 2019 is June 17-23. As per Alan Warnes if there is no operational emergency PAF will send JF-17s to participate. lets see if we can get a marketing brochure with some updates, it will not be wise from a marketing perspective that PAF does not advertise block-3 as block-2 production is halting.

 

[Tamiyah]

Pakistan interested on J-10C Sheikh rasheed hinted that recently on an interview @Tamiyah

Really Sorry I was being stupid that time but I didnt know that Pakistan again refreshed its interest in J10C.

 

[NA71]

Believe me there will be no glimpse of an already existing platform... Mehran car ka bumper our lights change hongi.. Mehran wahi rahy gi..

HaHaHA...Sometime we act like crazy Indians....they have been evaluating LCA with top of the line fighter jets since ages.

 

[khanasifm]

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-r...nd-and-global-analysis-by-forecast-2019-04-29

 

[Signalian]

The Rafale is an impressive plane, and one that should not be discounted, in particular its EW capabilities.

Pakistans deterrence does not rest in having a plane that is "better" than the Rafale, it is in her ability to strike into India and defeat the narrative of India being a super power and the region being its "back yard" etc. It is the ability to hit Indian pride, that is the core of deterrence. What stops and scares India is the counter strike. PAF strikes in Feb 2019 stopped India in her tracks, as it was very difficult for India to explain to her population that a country 1/8th their size managed to come into airspace protected by the IAF and bust up the place, and return with no consequences. It will be a long time, before any Indian PM will be confident enough to risk that. The proliferation of cruise missiles makes it more difficult for India to hold the narrative of her own perception of herself. Imagine, long range cruise missiles hitting New Delhi in a counter strike. India simply didnot expect PAF to strike back in Feb 2019, and expected to hold the narrative, escalation ladder and initiative. They lost that..

No matter how good the Rafale is, going into contested airspace against SAMs, ground based radars and AEWCs is going to be a tall ask. The aircraft is not invulnerable and can be countered. There may even be losses for the PAF in contesting airspace occupied by the Rafale, but it wont be a 1 way street. The PL15 and to some extent the AMRAAMs will see to that. That is the deterrence.

Block III with an AESA radar, and PL15 will pose a serious threat to the IAF. It may not win on the "specifications war" against the Raflae but that is not how combat operates anyway. The Block III will be good enough to take on everything India has in her arsenal as of now, and beat it. Rafale is a challenge, and we may need Block IV as a response.

The Su30MKI is a brilliant plane, and very capable. But, poor deployment and tactics by the IAF caused it to be shot down in Feb 2019.

IAF tactics, and operational deployment skills and abilities will NOT change with the arrival of the Rafale. It is questionable if they will be able to get the best out of the platform they are procuring. They have always struggled in this regard.

how would you have deployed the SU30 MKI ?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Really? I mean Really?

Just because india did not expect the strike on the 27th was because the american told them that it was not happening because the americans had told the pakistanis not to do it---. Americans told the pakistanis to take one for the gipper---.

 

[Awan68]

Really? I mean Really?

He works for the White House, Indian govt and Pakistani govt at the same time, i thought u knew.

 

[Deino]

Can we please leave out all IAF & Su-30MKI stuff? Let's stick to the topic, which is the "first glimpse on the Block 3".

 

[Aung Zaya]

any chance of Myanmar getting block-3 ? as far as we know Myanmar officially received only 6 units of 4 + block 2 and 2 block. So the rest will be block-3 ? any update of Myanmar JF-17s bros ?

 

[ProudPak]

Really? I mean Really?

He is such a loser. Another anti Pakistan one liner. Then he says things like

Listen to me you may learn something. I have learnt he is a knob

 

[Hayreddin]

You missed F-16 Block 70/72 (based on the technologies adopted from F-35 and F-22 including a very powerful 4th generation AESA radar system AN/APG-83).

Slovakia found F-16 Block 70/72 to be vastly superior to the JAS-39 C/D Gripen in the trials even though the latter is very capable aircraft in its own right.

"The aircraft JAS-39 C/D Gripen is compared to the F-16 Block 70/72 load of less equipment, less the capacity of the fuel, less tactical range, a lower endurance in air, lower climbing ability and a significantly lower acceleration. The aircraft is older avionics (radar older generation, early warning and protection elements of the aircraft), which no longer meets the needs of current and future operation of air operations."

OUCH

"Plane F-16 Block 70/72 with elements of integrated avionics, which is used in aircraft 5th generation is one of the most powerful multi-purpose aircraft at present. Extreme load equipment, the possibility of hundreds of variants underslung weapons, fuel capacity, tactical range and endurance in the air, acceleration and gradeability, advanced avionics and advanced targeting, weapons and imaging systems make it ideal for the management of operations to be successful and effective at the same time. The aircraft in addition has the most advanced security features Auto GCAS, which can save the aircraft and crew at indisponovanosti crew.

The possibility that the plane F-16 Block 70/72 provides, it is virtually a new aircraft since the aircraft F-16 Block 70/72 offers high combat value and will still be several decades more than balanced adversary aircraft 5th generation."

Full report: https://www.docdroid.net/45QNtuR/2018-slovakia-f16c-jas39c-eval.pdf

Su-35S does not compare to these birds with its PESA radar system, Russians are much behind the West in the field of avionics.

F16 blk70/72 is more advance n lethal thn any of 4+ gen jet available in market . If PAF gets hands on 24 of blk 70 achieving numbers of 100 f16s with 76 upgraded f16 , 190-200 jft blk 2 n 3 . it wld be like a dream come true of denting IAF for next 15 years atleast . It wld neutralize iaf rafael and su30 completely .

 

[LeGenD]

F16 blk70/72 is more advance n lethal thn any of 4+ gen jet available in market . If PAF gets hands on 24 of blk 70 achieving numbers of 100 f16s with 76 upgraded f16 , 190-200 jft blk 2 n 3 . it wld be like a dream come true of denting IAF for next 15 years atleast . It wld neutralize iaf rafael and su30 completely .

Agreed 100%, bro.

 

[ProudPak]

F16 blk70/72 is more advance n lethal thn any of 4+ gen jet available in market . If PAF gets hands on 24 of blk 70 achieving numbers of 100 f16s with 76 upgraded f16 , 190-200 jft blk 2 n 3 . it wld be like a dream come true of denting IAF for next 15 years atleast . It wld neutralize iaf rafael and su30 completely .

Not happening. More chance of me running india

 

[airomerix]

any chance of Myanmar getting block-3 ? as far as we know Myanmar officially received only 6 units of 4 + block 2 and 2 block. So the rest will be block-3 ? any update of Myanmar JF-17s bros ?

Saudi's are interested.