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Its interesting how this "Foreign Involvement" is planted in media so quickly... even before the investigators are on the crime scene.

You are just bsing around here. NO Media has said anything about this.

I am merely pointing out to a fact which is there in every conflict around the world. Pakistan is NO exception
 
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Which promises infront of kaaba? About what?
"Back in 1990-91, when Nawaz Sharif was in power for the first time, he brokered a deal between various Mujahideen factions. The deal was facilitated by the Saudis and solemnised in Mecca. These Mujahideen took an oath in front of the Holy Kaaba that they would shun hostilities and end the bloody orgy in Afghanistan. Ironically, even before these fundamentalist leaders had landed in Kabul, the deal had been violated. The internecine war between the various Mujahideen factions intensified into an even more ferocious conflagration." Afghanistan’s elusive peace. By Lal Khan.

"The Afghans never fail to humour their hosts, possibly for the sake of diplomacy, and even sign peace accords and agree to power-sharing. But none of these agreements have been implemented fully so far, not even the one Mujahideen leaders agreed on in the early '90s in the Holy Ka'aba in Mecca. And there's no reason to think this one will".

"They would remember how all Afghan mujahideen leaders got together at the Haram Sharif in Makkah and made a pledge in the shadow of the Holy Ka’aba that they would not fight among themselves and work together to bring peace and enforce Sharia in Afghanistan. The pledge was forgotten when these mujahideen leaders returned to Pakistan". Afghanistan: the new strategy. By Rahimullah Yusufzai

"In the recent past to which we were contemporary, the government of the Mujahideen was setp in Peshawar, outside Afghanistan, and everyone hailed it and blessed and congratulated it, and no one objected. And many of those who today object to the Islamic state of Iraq "because it is not empowered" - or so they claim - were among those who applauded, congratulated, and hailed the government of Mujahideen in Peshawar, and moreover, the Saudi regime - which is hostile to the Islamic State of Iraq --- opened the Ka'aba to its members to swear to observe unity inside it, but the promise-making inside the Ka'aba was of no help in preventing the breaking of the promise after leaving it". Words of Ayman al-Zawahiri Vol 1. Page 282.
 
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ah ok... i read janon's comment .. did not read rest of the pages.
Ok i got you,sorry i misunerstood your post.
By "terrorist" you meant regular terrorists,didnt you??
When i replied to you i used its general meaning(Terrorists=who terrorises the common man)
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Dancing to TTP’s tunes

Dancing to TTP’s tunes
INTIKHAB AMIR
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PESHAWAR: The Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) holds the centre stage, changing directions of the game every now and then. In short, it is TTP’s sweet will that is holding the sway.

When it decides to hit and kill us, we bow our heads and get killed. When it decides to talk and kill us as well, we oblige: we fly our helicopter to North Waziristan to facilitate its emissaries to meet their bosses and at the same time we keep collecting corpses from Peshawar to Karachi.

And now when the state’s fighter jets and helicopters have conducted surgical air strikes targeting TTP’s sanctuaries, the terrorists announced ceasefire and we feel happy to oblige and live peacefully with them for the next one month.

Think the one month period in terms of the possibility: no bomb blasts and IED attacks. This has not happened for the past so many years. So we should be happy!

What is more interesting is the fact that the day TTP was about to make the ceasefire public in the evening, its operatives attacked polio vaccinators in Khyber Agency in the morning.

If the TTP bosses were giving serious thoughts to the idea of giving peace a chance, they should have postponed the Saturday morning attack in Khyber Agency.

But who cares? Ceasefire is the buzzword. The other catchphrase these days is ‘on the same page’.

Earlier, doubts were being spewed whether the civil administration and the military leaders were on the same page or not. Now, at least, the TTP bosses are on the same page with the government. We should feel happy. We are moving to the next page!

How many pages of this untitled book written with the blood of thousands of civilians and soldiers are left? No one knows.

What is more interesting is the fact that we are hurling praises on TTP for its commanders’ kindness to bestow us with a month long ceasefire. Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Minister for Information Shah Farman was all in praise for the outlawed TTP for the generosity it showed.

He wants the federal government to reciprocate the terrorists’ seriousness by holding serious and sincere talks.

It seems he does not know that, on its part, the federal government is not likely to disappoint him.

But what would happen to the families of the 55,000 civilians and thousands of soldiers killed at the hands of TTP? This argument seems to be a spoiler. It would surely be portrayed by the PTI leadership and its cyber brigade as ‘negativity’ and an attempt to sabotage the prospects of peace.

But, this forms a legitimate concern for the families, who suffered human losses and have every right to see TTP acted against by the military and the judiciary.

Do we think we have paid them ample amount of money in compensation sufficient to shut their mouths and do not look down on us for playing ceasefire and peace with TTP’s murderers?

Our memory is deficient and objectives suffer from short sightedness.

We have forgotten that TTP killed 55,000 innocent Pakistanis and thousands of our soldiers.

We have also forgotten that TTP caused us $80 billion losses. It made us hostages in our own cities and towns by unleashing a campaign of fear and mayhem. It destroyed our children’s schools to keep us living with ignorance and illiteracy.

It bombed our mosques to deny us our right to pray and preach. It deepened the sectarian divide in the country by targeting and killing people belonging to the religious school of thoughts not of their liking.

They denied us our playing fields and made us to host cricket teams from other countries at London, Sharjah, and Dubai.

They sent us chilling videos of their hooligans playing footballs with the heads of our slain soldiers. They targeted our military assets and caused us billions of losses in dollars, destroying our expensive military hardware.

After TTP made public the killing of FC men kidnapped in 2010, prime minister and his cabinet colleagues gave impression that the peace talks and terrorist attacks could not go hand in hand.

And now, we are being bombarded with TV reports that contacts between the negotiators of the two sides continued during the period when there was a general perception that talks had been stalled to take the fight to TTP’s bastion.

Well, those drumbeating and hurling praises on TTP for announcing the ceasefire should not forget that there is an important but voiceless segment of the society that is unrepresented in the peace process.

These voiceless people happen to be the families, who lost their near and dear ones to TTP’s brutalities. We have no right to make deals with TTP at the cost of the victims’ families, denying them their right to seek justice and get their victims honoured by bringing those, who killed their sisters, mothers, fathers and children to the book.
 
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indeed Pakistan based terrorists executed it but many hands are involved from outside too,


I doubt. Even your intelligence agency do not blame any outsider nor your government.

I remember an incident of Kamra when the members on PDF used to blame India untill General kiyani came out with the facts that people involved were insider.
 
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is it terror incident ?
It is a question that will have to be looked at in context of the cases being handled in the "kutchery" today. wonder what word there is for the whole lawyer/judge complex in India?(not in English).

I doubt. Even your intelligence agency do not blame any outsider nor your government.

I remember an incident of Kamra when the members on PDF used to blame India untill General kiyani came out with the facts that people involved were insider.

There were no outsiders involved in any of these attacks. These were Pakistani men trained by ex-servicemen who had joined the Taliban. However, they selected the targets and coordinated the attacks. However, the idea to attack both Kamra and Minhas was given by external forces on the pretext that these assets provide intelligence, command and control for drone attacks in the country.
 
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There were no outsiders involved in any of these attacks. These were Pakistani men trained by ex-servicemen who had joined the Taliban. However, they selected the targets and coordinated the attacks. However, the idea to attack both Kamra and Minhas was given by external forces on the pretext that these assets provide intelligence, command and control for drone attacks in the country.


They do not need any idea from outside agency to attack Kamra or Minhas. They were capable enough to attack heartland of US 15 years back. Their skill to attack strategic target have grown manifold since then.
 
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RIP.......

but the things are not gonna easy now......
since america is withdrawing from the region......they will get much more freedom from before......
 
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the cease fire means now talibans will attack but not accept the responsibility, govt will keep guessing until one month will be gone and TTZ will be fully prepared for the more effective offensive

Pak army says it can clear NW in one month, TTZ only wants one month break
 
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They do not need any idea from outside agency to attack Kamra or Minhas. They were capable enough to attack heartland of US 15 years back. Their skill to attack strategic target have grown manifold since then.
Looking at it differently, they have not been able to attack the US in the last 15 years. It happened only once, before the war on terror began. Since then, US soil has been untouchable.

They were able to attack the US back then, because nobody expected an attack, or prepared against terror attacks. It's a different story now, at least WRT the US. With India too, the terrorists who shot people randomly in Mumbai more than 5 years back have not been able to do so again.

Pakistan is different - for one thing, all the terrorists are within their own country, so they cannot simply seal off the boders and coasts like India, or simply implement homeland security measures like the US, to prevent undesirables from getting in. They are already in, they grew up within. Even if a few terrorists sneaked into India, their days are numbered, because they cannot live among the people with their help and support. They are foreigners with a foreign ideology, and police or RR will kill them soon. But in Pak, these terrorists live among the people, and are 'at home' with them.

Secondly, the ideology of the terrorists, and their eventual aim resonates with many pakistanis. Even on this forum, most Pakistanis do not unambigously say "we don't want sharia or talibanisation, we want to be a liberal democracy''. Instead, they do all sorts of contortions to make the case that TTP's sharia is not "real sharia", pakistani state is compatible with sharia and islam, they want sharia but not through terrorism, and so on. But for other countries that were the victims of islamic terrorism, the resolve was absolute - we don't want your system, we don't want your laws, we don't even want you. So it is easier for USA and India to battle islamic terrorism, for these reasons.
 
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It is a question that will have to be looked at in context of the cases being handled in the "kutchery" today. wonder what word there is for the whole lawyer/judge complex in India?(not in English).

balatkar
 
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