Finland must apply for NATO membership "without delay", Finnish leaders say

[Apollon]

1992 Transnistria's Russians wanted to seceded,Moldovans didn't want them too.
1999 Chechnya was an internal matter,it's like an American State trying to leave.
2008 Georgia was attacking South Ossetians who wanted to secede and also wanted to join NATO
2014 Ukraine's government was toppled and the pro-Russian populations of Eastern and Southern Ukraine protested against this. Russians went in to secure Crimea,protect the local population.


More than half of what you mentioned were conflicts in the former Soviet Republics right after breakup.
The Chechen Wars and Dagestan were an internal matter of Russia.
ISIS operation,Syrian Civil War were not even "invasions".
Central African Republic,Mali got invited by the governments,didn't they?

Gulf of Aden? You mean the operations against Somali pirates?

I love your russian slave attitude. Its so servile, slimy and outright creepy that i want to throw up.

That said its estimated 500 russians drowned at the Dneper river yesterday when an entire brigade was destroyed.


You know whats the bad news about that? The massive influx of decaying corpses might cause an algae bloom.

 

[jhungary]

1992 Transnistria's Russians wanted to seceded,Moldovans didn't want them too.
1999 Chechnya was an internal matter,it's like an American State trying to leave.
2008 Georgia was attacking South Ossetians who wanted to secede and also wanted to join NATO
2014 Ukraine's government was toppled and the pro-Russian populations of Eastern and Southern Ukraine protested against this. Russians went in to secure Crimea,protect the local population.


More than half of what you mentioned were conflicts in the former Soviet Republics right after breakup.
The Chechen Wars and Dagestan were an internal matter of Russia.
ISIS operation,Syrian Civil War were not even "invasions".
Central African Republic,Mali got invited by the governments,didn't they?

Gulf of Aden? You mean the operations against Somali pirates?

Just as I thought, you are trying to justify the war Russia fought. You cannot justify Russian one because that's what they need and then condemn the American, a war is a war, a war fought OUTSIDE your territories is about your foreign National Interest, which mean a war fought outside Russia would have the same reason as the American one. On one hand you are condemning US for snooping into Bosnian or Serbian business but then you "justify" Russian involvement into Georgia and South Ossetia? Both of which were not Russian territories.

It did not matter if you want to colonise land around you or colonised land thousand of miles away from you, that's the same 'Imperialism". There are no requirement for the proximity on the issue here.

I can argue US "Invasion" in Iraq is not an invasion at all Kurd were "Inviting" them. I mean you are starting with your own assumption, which at that point you are biased, it's okay to be biased, but not when you are trying to make people think you are neutral.

 

[War Thunder]

So you are saying there aren't Russians soldiers in Ukraine?

No, he is saying you are brainwashed into defending the wrong side in that war.

 

[Foinikas]

Just as I thought, you are trying to justify the war Russia fought. You cannot justify Russian one because that's what they need and then condemn the American, a war is a war, a war fought OUTSIDE your territories is about your foreign National Interest, which mean a war fought outside Russia would have the same reason as the American one. On one hand you are condemning US for snooping into Bosnian or Serbian business but then you "justify" Russian involvement into Georgia and South Ossetia? Both of which were not Russian territories.

I can argue US "Invasion" in Iraq is not an invasion at all Kurd were "Inviting" them. I mean you are starting with your own assumption, which at that point you are biased, it's okay to be biased, but not when you are trying to make people think you are neutral.

There's a difference between fighting a war at your borders or close to your borders,involving your people and another thing going to the other side of the planet to fight people far away from you to change regimes.

Iraq had a sovereign government. Libya had a sovereign government. Don't NATO leaders talk all day about "Russia invading a sovereign nation"?

Georgia borders Russia and South Ossetians and Akbhazians wanted to leave Georgia since the beginning. It was one of those weird Soviet area transfers. Saakhasvili also was pro-Western so...the Russians didn't like that. They didn't want a pro-Western country in their southern borders.

I love your russian slave attitude. Its so servile, slimy and outright creepy that i want to throw up.

That said its estimated 500 russians drowned at the Dneper river yesterday when an entire brigade was destroyed.


You know whats the bad news about that? The massive influx of decaying corpses might cause an algae bloom.

Slave attitude? You are nuts about NATO and USA and you call me a slave? They had bombed dozens of countries before you even knew what's going on in Ukraine. And you talk to me about "slave attitude"?

 

[jhungary]

There's a difference between fighting a war at your borders or close to your borders,involving your people and another thing going to the other side of the planet to fight people far away from you to change regimes.

Iraq had a sovereign government. Libya had a sovereign government. Don't NATO leaders talk all day about "Russia invading a sovereign nation"?

Georgia borders Russia and South Ossetians and Akbhazians wanted to leave Georgia since the beginning. It was one of those weird Soviet area transfers. Saakhasvili also was pro-Western so...the Russians didn't like that. They didn't want a pro-Western country in their southern borders.

Oh, I am sorry, I don't get the memo the decision for Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and Azerbaijan foreign policy is on Russia not on these respective country. I am pretty sure the 45 millions Ukrainian, 10 millions Azerbaijan and 3 millions Georgian and moldovan didn't get the memo too.

it have no different, a country NEXT to your border is still NOT your country. It is still an act of Imperialism, you don't get to decide what the other country do. There were no such people as "South Ossetians" until Russia come in and play imperialism. And again, whether or not they want to pro-west have no bearing on Russia. Making it Russia business is an act of Imperialism.

You are talking about the issue on the different side of the same coin, unless you are that country, you have no right to interfere with it, if you do, be it American or Russian, you are being imperialistic and if you support each side, then you are BIASED. As I said, it's okay to be biased, we all take side, I took side, but you, keep claiming you are neutral when you are biased is a no-no. I have no problem you see Russian action is justified. I have problem you claim to be "Neutral" when you say that.

 

[Foinikas]

Oh, I am sorry, I don't get the memo the decision for Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and Azerbaijan foreign policy is on Russia not on these respective country. I am pretty sure the 45 millions Ukrainian, 10 millions Azerbaijan and 3 millions Georgian and moldovan didn't get the memo too.

it have no different, a country NEXT to your border is still NOT your country. It is still an act of Imperialism, you don't get to decide what the other country do. There were no such people as "South Ossetians" until Russia come in and play imperialism. And again, whether or not they want to pro-west have no bearing on Russia. Making it Russia business is an act of Imperialism.

What's more logical? A country trying to secure its borders and influence its neighbors or a country invading a bunch of other countries half the world away? Destabilizing entire regions because they wanted to change governments?

 

[jhungary]

I love your russian slave attitude. Its so servile, slimy and outright creepy that i want to throw up.

That said its estimated 500 russians drowned at the Dneper river yesterday when an entire brigade was destroyed.


You know whats the bad news about that? The massive influx of decaying corpses might cause an algae bloom.

The dude literally say France is being imperialistic when Mali invite them to deal with the insurgency, then go around and justify the same government asking Russian for doing the same thing as "Justified".

What's more logical? A country trying to secure its borders and influence its neighbors or a country invading a bunch of other countries half the world away? Destabilizing entire regions because they wanted to change governments?

What logical is "RESPECT COUNTRY OUTSIDE YOUR BORDER THAT ARE NOT YOURS" it does not matter it's 10 km away from you or 10000km away from you. Again, destabilisation is destabilisation, just because you destabilise a country next to you does not make it okay.

Again, LET ME REILERATE MY POINT ONCE MORE - I have no problem you see Russia need to get involve in "Internal affair" of the country next to Russia, but stop saying you are neutral when you do so, and once you do so, you lost the right to bitch about other country doing the same thing, because that will make you a hypocrite.

You can't keep on your high horse while condemning other doing stuff that you think is justify to some country.

 

[Apollon]

The dude literally say France is being imperialistic when Mali invite them to deal with the insurgency, then go around and justify the same government asking Russian for doing the same thing as "Justified".


What logical is "RESPECT COUNTRY OUTSIDE YOUR BORDER THAT ARE NOT YOURS" it does not matter it's 10 km away from you or 10000km away from you. Again, destabilisation is destabilisation, just because you destabilise a country next to you does not make it okay.

Again, LET ME REILERATE MY POINT ONCE MORE - I have no problem you see Russia need to get involve in "Internal affair" of the country next to Russia, but stop saying you are neutral when you do so, and once you do so, you lost the right to bitch about other country doing the same thing, because that will make you a hypocrite.

You can't keep on your high horse while condemning other doing stuff that you think is justify to some country.

It is not necessary to discuss with @Foinikas


Do as our greek government does with russias 5th column. Laugh, ignore and help Ukraine crush Russia.



This guy is an extremist. He believes putin gives him new orthodox empire (based on rape and massacres).


I once told him the people are more important than a building. He disagrees and belives some church is more worth than people. When i made clear that christian church is based on humans, not worthless stones, he disagreed.



So what do you want discuss with someone whose religious believes are based on worthless stones?

 

[jhungary]

It is not necessary to discuss with @Foinikas


Do as our greek government does with russias 5th column. Laugh, ignore and help Ukraine crush Russia.



This guy is an extremist. He believes putin gives him new orthodox empire (based on rape and massacres).


I once told him the people are more important than a building. He disagrees and belives some church is more worth than people. When i made clear that christian church is based on humans, not worthless stones, he disagreed.



So what do you want discuss with someone whose religious believes are based on worthless stones?

I have no qualm on him blowing Russian arse, as I said many time, I have an issue with him saying he is neutral. I mean, who is he kidding, if he is neutral then I am the pope....

 

[Foinikas]

This guy is an extremist. He believes putin gives him new orthodox empire (based on rape and massacres).

Stop your slander. It's not the first time that you are spreading lies about me.

I told you many times and I'm tired of telling you again and again,that whatever Orthodox Empire will be in the future,will probably not be under Putin. I've told you so many times. Yet,you insist on the same narration.

And on what basis,do you call me an "extremist"? Do you understand that what you are saying bad?

I once told him the people are more important than a building. He disagrees and belives some church is more worth than people. When i made clear that christian church is based on humans, not worthless stones, he disagreed.

Stop being an idiot. We were talking about a symbol of culture and religion,not any church.

I have no qualm on him blowing Russian arse, as I said many time, I have an issue with him saying he is neutral. I mean, who is he kidding, if he is neutral then I am the pope....

I tend to be pro-Russian generally,but how many times have I said it here? I think the invasion was a mistake. I understand they wanted to do something about the situation in Ukraine,but I disagree with the invasion. I've said it again and again that it was a big mistake. It seems that no matter how many times I say it though...you people will not understand it.

Do you get it now? Do you understand it? I've even told that idiot in Greek and he didn't understand it. He has never replied to me when I talked to him in Greek.

 

[Apollon]

Stop your slander. It's not the first time that you are spreading lies about me.

I told you many times and I'm tired of telling you again and again,that whatever Orthodox Empire will be in the future,will probably not be under Putin. I've told you so many times. Yet,you insist on the same narration.

And on what basis,do you call me an "extremist"? Do you understand that what you are saying bad?


Stop being an idiot. We were talking about a symbol of culture and religion,not any church.


I tend to be pro-Russian generally,but how many times have I said it here? I think the invasion was a mistake. I understand they wanted to do something about the situation in Ukraine,but I disagree with the invasion. I've said it again and again that it was a big mistake. It seems that no matter how many times I say it though...you people will not understand it.

Do you get it now? Do you understand it? I've even told that idiot in Greek and he didn't understand it. He has never replied to me when I talked to him in Greek.

Evry church is just stones, nothing more. The people matter, not stones.


As for answer. I did answer you but in english. Forum rules say that we have to write english here and i wont give a reason to get reported.


And please stop to bow to a pathetic country like russia. Its slightly repulsive.

 

[Foinikas]

Evry church is just stones, nothing more. The people matter, not stones.


As for answer. I did answer you but in english. Forum rules say that we have to write english here and i wont give a reason to get reported.


And please stop to bow to a pathetic country like russia. Its slightly repulsive.

Nobody's going to report you for that. You see people writing in the Hindi,Urdu,Turkish sometimes. You hardly ever replied to me when I talked to you in greek. Did you see me bow to Russia? Don't be stupid and stop slandering me. Unless one can consider you bowing to Germany,Britain and USA? Do you bow? You serve them?

 

[jhungary]

I tend to be pro-Russian generally,but how many times have I said it here? I think the invasion was a mistake. I understand they wanted to do something about the situation in Ukraine,but I disagree with the invasion. I've said it again and again that it was a big mistake. It seems that no matter how many times I say it though...you people will not understand it.

Do you get it now? Do you understand it? I've even told that idiot in Greek and he didn't understand it. He has never replied to me when I talked to him in Greek.

Well, as I said, I don't really care if you are Pro-Russian, that's your choice, that's fine and dandy if you want to root for Russia, but stop saying you are more or less neutral because you aren't.

On the other hand, it will make your "How many US war has started" more or less a hypocritical statement, which is why I response in the first place.

I have no horse with you and him. That is between you and him.

 

[Foinikas]

Well, as I said, I don't really care if you are Pro-Russian, that's your choice, that's fine and dandy if you want to root for Russia, but stop saying you are more or less neutral because you aren't.

On the other hand, it will make your "How many US war has started" more or less a hypocritical statement, which is why I response in the first place.

I have no horse with you and him. That is between you and him.

Hypocritical statement? You don't see the hypocrisy in Western foreign policy?! Are you kidding me??

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

https://www.rt.com/news/555342-finland-nato-membership-bid/

If you are using a european ip address you can't read that news because RT website is blocked thanks to EU freedom.


The only reason for Russia would bomb Finland is Finland making provocations joining NATO, what else?

The only reason for Finland joining NATO is Russia making provocations, invading neutral neighbours,

Best would be for people to co-exist without fear and mutual suspicion. And NATO has been trying to recreate the Cold War for 20 years,as if they are trying to find an excuse to exist as an organisation.

NATO kept reducing defense budgets and armed forces for 22 years until Russia invaded Ukraine 2014.
Russia singlehandedly created Cold War 2.0 six months ago.