Finally! India to Sign Rafale Deal by December! Draft Contract Prepared!

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Rafale deal may be signed by Dec

Indian government’s contract negotiation committee (CNC) for the medium, multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA), Rafale, has been given the draft contract document by the French aircraft manufacturer, Dassault. A top level Indian Air Force (IAF) source, while confirming this, said that they expect that the deal could be signed by December this year.

Long in negotiations, the contract is in the final stages of price fixing, the official said. According to him, the CNC will arrive at two prices at the end of talks. One will be ‘direct’ price, which will be actual cost of whole 126 aircraft the IAF plans to get – 18 in flyaway condition directly from Dassault, and 108 produced under licence by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

The other is Life Cycle Costing (LCC), which will cover the whole life of the aircraft in service with the IAF. This would include maintenance cost, overhauling costs among others.

The IAF sources complained about efforts by some Indians to sow doubts and make the IAF leadership ‘weak-kneed’ by publicising wrong information in sections of the media ‘at the behest of a foreign competitor’.

The other key element of the deal is the licence manufacture deal between Dassault and the HAL. There were large number of issues that were technology related. A senior HAL source stated: ‘Now those issues have been boiled down to two or three. They would also be taken care of soon.’

One gets a sense from all these conversations, that the IAF has got a signal from the political leadership of the government that it is now on more than ‘a wing and a prayer’. In other words, the force has got a green signal from the government to go ahead with the deal.

The senior official said that since the LCC has been in negotiation for the MMRCA, the same formula has been applied to 19 other vendors, including the Russians, and none of them had complained about the sanctity of the LCC. ‘Any of them could have taken us to court, if we were in the wrong.’

The first air assets that have been delivered under the LCC formula have been the Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA), the Pilatus PC 7.

They are already flying in large numbers. ‘We were sure that we were in the right track when ministry of finance cleared our pricing, and it was sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security,’ the official said.

Source:- Rafale deal may be signed by Dec | Millennium Post​

 

[NKVD]

Rafale deal may be signed by Dec

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Indian government’s contract negotiation committee (CNC) for the medium, multirole combat aircraft (MMRCA), Rafale, has been given the draft contract document by the French aircraft manufacturer, Dassault. A top level Indian Air Force (IAF) source, while confirming this, said that they expect that the deal could be signed by December this year.

Long in negotiations, the contract is in the final stages of price fixing, the official said. According to him, the CNC will arrive at two prices at the end of talks. One will be ‘direct’ price, which will be actual cost of whole 126 aircraft the IAF plans to get – 18 in flyaway condition directly from Dassault, and 108 produced under licence by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

The other is Life Cycle Costing (LCC), which will cover the whole life of the aircraft in service with the IAF. This would include maintenance cost, overhauling costs among others.

The IAF sources complained about efforts by some Indians to sow doubts and make the IAF leadership ‘weak-kneed’ by publicising wrong information in sections of the media ‘at the behest of a foreign competitor’.

The other key element of the deal is the licence manufacture deal between Dassault and the HAL. There were large number of issues that were technology related. A senior HAL source stated: ‘Now those issues have been boiled down to two or three. They would also be taken care of soon.’

One gets a sense from all these conversations, that the IAF has got a signal from the political leadership of the government that it is now on more than ‘a wing and a prayer’. In other words, the force has got a green signal from the government to go ahead with the deal.

The senior official said that since the LCC has been in negotiation for the MMRCA, the same formula has been applied to 19 other vendors, including the Russians, and none of them had complained about the sanctity of the LCC. ‘Any of them could have taken us to court, if we were in the wrong.’

The first air assets that have been delivered under the LCC formula have been the Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA), the Pilatus PC 7.

They are already flying in large numbers. ‘We were sure that we were in the right track when ministry of finance cleared our pricing, and it was sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security,’ the official said.

Source:- Rafale deal may be signed by Dec | Millennium Post​

Till it will sign I will keep finger crossed

 

[FNFAL]

ab sign kar bhi do...

 

[Foo_Fighter]

Open a thread on December then

 

[The Huskar]

 

[OrionHunter]

 

[Skull and Bones]

Bhai, ab nautanki bas kar.

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

I wonder what Pakistan Air Force will come up as a response to this deal.

Upgraded J-10Bs or a customized PAF version of J-10C fighter aircraft will do.

At 270 Su-30MKIs, 126 Rafales, and hundreds of Mig-29s....Indian Air Force will definitely be a force to reckon with.

Pakistan, in comparison, will also have a massive air force with 80+ F-16s, 150+ JF-17 Thunders block II and block IIIs, and may be J-10Bs (as counter to Rafale deal)

As fifth generation fighter jets will enter subcontinent, it will become the most concentrated and contested battle-space for aerial warfare in 21st century....as I see no other area where such massive, sophisticated, and larger air forces have a very good chance to entering a larger scale destructive conflict..

 

[AMCA]

I wonder what Pakistan Air Force will come up as a response to this deal.

Upgraded J-10Bs or a customized PAF version of J-10C fighter aircraft will do.

At 270 Su-30MKIs, 126 Rafales, and hundreds of Mig-29s....Indian Air Force will definitely be a force to reckon with.

Pakistan, in comparison, will also have a massive air force with 80+ F-16s, 150+ JF-17 Thunders block II and block IIIs, and may be J-10Bs (as counter to Rafale deal)

As fifth generation fighter jets will enter subcontinent, it will become the most concentrated and contested battle-space for aerial warfare in 21st century....as I see no other area where such massive, sophisticated, and larger air forces have a very good chance to entering a larger scale destructive conflict..

Non of these Aircraft's you have placed are an effective counter against Rafale.

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

Non of these Aircraft's you have placed are an effective counter against Rafale.

They are.

Latest F-16 block 52+ are very sophisticated fighter jets. Yes, Rafale is better, but it doesn't mean that it will "eat up" F-16C/D. It'd be a very, very tough fight between these two jets flown by very good pilots...especially if F-16s is being flown by what are amongst the best pilots of the world. (I have an acquittance in Turkish Defense Administration who have----lets just say---"worked with" PAF F-16 pilots and IDAF F-16 pilots many times in his illustrious career . So when I say "amongst the best pilots of the world"---I have very good idea what I am talking about...)

Moreover, JF-17 block III with AESA (if becomes available) and J-10C with IRST, AESA, large payload etc. will be no easy targets for Rafale.

And then comes all other factors like AWACS, air-defense, difference of flying over enemy territory vs home turf, and so on...

Indian Air Force going against Pakistan Air Force would be no joke. It will be intense as hell to say the least.

 

[acid rain]

Which December?.

 

[janon]

Latest F-16 block 52+ are very sophisticated fighter jets. Yes, Rafale is better, but it doesn't mean that it will "eat up" F-16C/D. It'd be a very, very tough fight between these two jets flown by very good pilots

Safriz,
I'm sure you know that the IAF evaluated the F-16 block 60 and found it lacking for their needs. The F-16 block 52 is no match at all for newer fighters like EF, Rafale, or even the smaller Gripen-NG.

That doesn't mean that your F-16s will lose every time; it just means that the odds are heavily stacked against them, and in favour of the newer, MUCH MORE capable jets.

Now you could wish that fact away by singing the tired old song about how your pilots are so much better than ours, but that is merely a jingoistic bluster to excuse the inferiority of your equipment.

 

[halupridol]

"rafale deal may be signed by Dec."
drama bandh karo

 

[ni8mare]

They are.

Latest F-16 block 52+ are very sophisticated fighter jets. Yes, Rafale is better, but it doesn't mean that it will "eat up" F-16C/D. It'd be a very, very tough fight between these two jets flown by very good pilots...especially if F-16s is being flown by what are amongst the best pilots of the world. (I have an acquittance in Turkish Defense Administration who have----lets just say---"worked with" PAF F-16 pilots and IDAF F-16 pilots many times in his illustrious career . So when I say "amongst the best pilots of the world"---I have very good idea what I am talking about...)

Moreover, JF-17 block III with AESA (if becomes available) and J-10C with IRST, AESA, large payload etc. will be no easy targets for Rafale.

And then comes all other factors like AWACS, air-defense, difference of flying over enemy territory vs home turf, and so on...

Indian Air Force going against Pakistan Air Force would be no joke. It will be intense as hell to say the least.

Rafale is >>>>>>>>>>f-16 there is no comparison
JF17 Blll is non existent ........but only Bll
indias eletroinc warfare is much better than pakistan

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

Safriz,
.

I am not Safriz, whoever he is.

Ask @WebMaster to check my IPs, posts, or whatever evidence he requires.

I would've responded to your post but since you are coming at it from a very different angle, it is useless.

You can re-read my post without the bias of me being "Safriz" whatever. Understand that I'm coming from a very neutral, and well-informed, background. Reply to my posts with that in mind..and we might have some conversation.