Fear pervades China's Uighurs

[Sino-PakFriendship]

fxxking Ms. Kadeer

She is the biggest terrorist against China!

 

[oceanx]

There is NO Uighuristan

This is Xinjiang

Our West Region

If you are pan-Islamists, I definitely tell you that WE ARE NOT SERBIA!!!

We (1.4 billions of brothers) will not allow Xinjiang beome next KOSOVO!!!

Neither do you want Xinjiang to be the next Chechnya (in more ways than one it's already there). Serbian Kosovo-stan, Russian Dagestan, Chinse Uyghuristan, and even Turkish Kurdistan are clearly not all the same. But there are some common lessons that are fair targets for discussion.

Labelling somebody a "mountain turk" doesn't make him a turk. Similarly, labeling someone - anyone who wants to leave an "islamist" has little credibility.

The PRC did one thing right, which was to accept OIC's unofficial "mediation" and fact-finding in Xinjiang. But clearly many policies can be subject to scrutiny.

The most important lesson from the Balkans is that stability does not equate compatibility. Heck, even China's own history and the Ottoman's history readily teach that.

And compatibility requires patience and forbearance - lots of it. Surely it's easier said than done. Integration without assimilation - is it even possible? The jury is out - even in my adopted country of Canada, arguably the world's most successful multicultural nation - with seams bursting in many places ...

Now one misconception we need to dispel here: I used to subconsciously equivocate Xinjiang with the West bank or Gaza, too. But that's incorrect: Uyghurs are somewhat akin to the Arab citizens of Israel. Clearly the latter enjoy a substantially higher standard of living and much more liberal political rights, while the former are granted not inconsiderable affirmative action largess that are the envies of ordinary Han Chinese citizens, and of the likes not available to Arab Israeli citizens (from what I know), and not available to Muslim Indian citizens (from what I was told).

But Xinjiang has no equivalence to the West bank/Gaza where the populations have no status - who are neither citizens, nor subjects, not even autonomous "Bantustanis" ... I am not saying everything is 100% one-sided Israel's fault. But it has come to this.

O well ... that's why I personally think the PRC is "wise" to accept "mediation" from the OIC ... or else some day somebody will come with a flotilla.

May Uyghurs, Gazans, and the "Mountain Turks" all prosper. If not, then sooner or later they'll all work for the CIA. Maybe not the Gazans ... well, who knows?

 

[oceanx]

My 96-year old mother wishes that I was religious. She's given up on that. Right-wing? maybe somewhat right of center. A nut? Perhaps, else why would I waste my time answering someone with the stupidest name?

A vitriolic "Hagee-ist" Mr. TruthSeeker is definitely not. A diligent pupil of Brzezinski he may yet be.

Nothing wrong with that per se I suppose.

 

[Hutchroy]

China says Xinjiang terror cell busted

BEIJING: Chinese police said on Thursday they had broken up a terrorist cell in Xinjiang that had carried out attacks in the restive region.

The announcement was made during a Beijing press conference that came as authorities in Xinjiang brace for the July 5 anniversary of deadly rioting in the capital Urumqi by the region's Muslim ethnic Uighurs.

"Since 2008 this terror group planned and carried out many terror acts in Xinjiang, including an attack on police and border guards in Kashgar during the Olympics," Public Security Bureau spokesman Wu Heping told reporters.

Wu said the break-up of the cell proved that China faces a "terrorist threat" in Xinjiang.

Seventeen Chinese border police were killed the Xinjiang city of Kashgar in August 2008, according to state media, just days before the opening of the Beijing Olympics, in an attack authorities had previously blamed on terrorists.

Two men reportedly ploughed their lorry into a group of 70 officers on a morning jog, then jumped out, tossing explosives and hacking at the shellshocked officers with machetes before being arrested, according to local state media and witnesses.

Wu did not take journalists' questions.

Xinjiang, a vast area that borders Central Asia, has more than eight million Uighurs, and many are unhappy with what they say has been decades of repressive communist Chinese rule.

That resentment burst out into savage violence on July 5, 2009 in Urumqi, when Uighurs attacked members of China's dominant Han ethnic group, leaving nearly 200 people dead, according to government figures.

 

[WillUSDemiseBePeaceful?]

Queen of Hawaii demands independence from 'US occupiers' - Telegraph

Queen of Hawaii demands independence from 'US occupiers'
The United States is an illegal occupying force that should hand the 132 islands of Hawaii back to the monarchy overthrown more than a century ago, according to members of a Native Hawaiian sovereignty movement.

For almost two months, the self-proclaimed Hawaiian Kingdom Government has peacefully occupied the grounds of the Iolani Palace, residence of the islands' last two monarchs, operating a shadow government from a tent erected in its stately grounds.

Her Majesty Mahealani Kahau, a descendant of Hawaii's last king who was elected "head of state" by the group, and her ministers gather each day to debate how to achieve their goal of restoring Native Hawaiian rule.

"We are here, we are real, we are in business," declares the group's website, which outlines its aim to "remove all laws, policies, rules and regulations" of the "occupying power" and "return Hawaii's independent status".

The group, which claims 1,000 followers, is demanding the dissolution of the State of Hawaii and the return of land and bank assets totalling billions of dollars.

Hawaii has about 200,000 Native Hawaiians, or kânaka maoli, out of a population of 1.3 million. The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is just one of a number of sovereignty groups, many with similar names, waging independence campaigns.

All aim to "right the wrong" inflicted on Native Hawaiians in 1893 when a small, mostly American group of sugar plantation owners and other businessmen overthrew the Hawaiian monarchy with the support of US troops sent ashore from a Navy warship.

The then monarch, Queen Liliuokalani, gave up her throne "to this superior force of the United States of America" and was imprisoned in the Iolani Palace in Honolulu, built by her brother King Kalakaua. In 1898, Hawaii was annexed by the United States and in 1959 became the 50th US state.

"The Hawaiian kingdom was unlawfully taken over by a coup d'etat and then those that took it over formed an illegal government and then ceded Hawaii to the United States," said Leon Siu, minister of foreign affairs for the Hawaiian Kingdom, another sovereignty group that shares many of the Hawaiian Kingdom Government's aims.

"There was never a lawful transfer of either jurisdiction or title, therefore what we are doing is asserting that the Hawaiian Kingdom still exists." Mr Siu said he was engaged in discussions with several countries as well as the United Nations as part of a bid to achieve "international recognition of our nation", in part by reviving treaties Hawaii had with other nations, including Britain, in the 19th century.

Sovereignty groups cite the so-called "Apology Resolution" signed by President Bill Clinton in 1993 which acknowledged the 100th anniversary of the overthrow and apologised to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the US.

"The legal cause for the restoration of the kingdom is air-tight," said Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois, who has been advising Hawaiian independence groups since 1992.

In addition to devising a draft constitution for one group, the Nation of Hawaii, Professor Boyle sued the US in the US Supreme Court in 1998, demanding the restoration of Hawaiian independence and reparations "for all the harm inflicted on the Kingdom of Hawaii".

He said rather than dismissing the case as "something totally frivolous" the court met several times to discuss it before determining the kingdom "was a non-recognised sovereign that does not have access to the US courts".

"Based on this experience I simply told them that we would have to wait until the Kingdom of Hawaii has achieved substantial diplomatic recognition and then I could file something in the international court of justice."

He described the occupation of Iolani Palace as "a very significant step in terms of their struggle to restore their kingdom their dignity and their land" and remains confident that Hawaii will at some stage achieve independence.

"Native Hawaiians operate in accordance with the Aloha spirit, which is similar to Mahatma Gandhi's Satyagraha force, and I take the position that if Gandhi can throw the mighty British Empire out of India with Satyagraha, Native Hawaiians can throw the mighty American empire out of Hawaii with Aloha."

Sovereignty groups reject as divisive and inadequate legislation being pursued by the state's Office of Hawaiian Affairs that would grant Native Hawaiians partial self -governmence akin to that of American Indian tribes.

The State of Hawaii has so far turned a blind eye to the peaceful gatherings of Hawaiian Kingdom Government. No-one has been arrested and members have been careful not to break any laws. "As long as they comply with the permit conditions, they may continue to request permits to meet," Deborah Ward, of the state's Department of Land and Natural Resources, told the Associated Press.

 

[Developereo]

It is touching to see such concern amongst Indians for the Uighur Muslims. We can only hope they would show the same compassion when their fellow Indian Muslims are being butchered by security forces.

As for Pakistan's stance on the matter, it is a matter of real-politik. In real life, you have to pick your battles; Pakistan can't be the global savior of Muslims worldwide. Pakistan needs China and can't afford to upset it, so it will turn a blind eye to Chinese atrocities against the Uighurs. Certainly the Uighurs have legitimate grievances which should be resolved through peaceful means. But if even the US is powerless to compel the Chinese authorities to handle the matter peacefully, what chance does Pakistan have?

Every country is selective in its outrage. Australian economy is heavily dependent on China, so Australia does not complain too loudly when China does something against Australian interests or values.

India is busy licking America's butt so the Indian media throws a major tantrum every time there is a crime against Indians in Australia, but keeps mum on similar crimes in the US.

It's not pretty but that's life.
But we all knew that.
Even the Indians.

 

[AbuSalam]

It is touching to see such concern amongst Indians for the Uighur Muslims. We can only hope they would show the same compassion when their fellow Indian Muslims are being butchered by security forces.

As for Pakistan's stance on the matter, it is a matter of real-politik. In real life, you have to pick your battles; Pakistan can't be the global savior of Muslims worldwide. Pakistan needs China and can't afford to upset it, so it will turn a blind eye to Chinese atrocities against the Uighurs. Certainly the Uighurs have legitimate grievances which should be resolved through peaceful means. But if even the US is powerless to compel the Chinese authorities to handle the matter peacefully, what chance does Pakistan have?
Every country is selective in its outrage. Australian economy is heavily dependent on China, so Australia does not complain too loudly when China does something against Australian interests or values.
India is busy licking America's butt so the Indian media throws a major tantrum every time there is a crime against Indians in Australia, but keeps mum on similar crimes in the US.
It's not pretty but that's life.
But we all knew that.
Even the Indians.

and this desperate policy of urs is giving advantages to INDIA, more n more fanatic Indian muslims are disillusioned with ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of Pakistan..u side with muslim enemy no 1.and kill ur own citizens in the name of WOT A great nation born on islamic principles & made an islamic bomb is itself turning into an enemy of muslims..No doubt countries like S.arabia are getting more friendly with India..

 

[WillUSDemiseBePeaceful?]

Fear pervades India's North East

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Army training 50,000 men to tackle Naxals
Josy Joseph, TNN, Jun 17, 2010, 12.32am IST
NEW DELHI: The government may have decided not to draft it for the anti-naxal offensive, but the Indian Army has started preparing for the possibility of being called upon to tackle what Prime Minister Manmohan Singh calls India's gravest internal security threat.

Army Headquarters has drawn up a plan to keep about 50,000 soldiers - approximately 5 divisions - in readiness to help the civilian authorities deal with the growing Naxal threat. A training programme, especially designed to meet the challenge that the Left wing extremists pose, has been drawn up, with the Lucknow-based Central Command being given the task of readying the soldiers for what could potentially be the single-biggest internal mobilisation outside the insurgency-ravaged J&K and the northeast.

The rigorous training schedule aims to re-orient troops, conditioned to fight hostile nations as well as insurgents of J&K and northeast, for a battle which is to be fought in the heartland and against an enemy adept at blending into the population.

The Army believes that its approach will be radically different from the way paralimitary troops engaged in the anti-Naxal fight have been taken through the paces. Army officials say that paramilitary forces are engaged in random jungle bashing which is fraught with the risk of collateral damages. As against this, they plan, if and when called in, to create a security grid which would isolate the civilian population from the insurgents.

The anti-Naxal training module focuses on acquiring intimate knowledge of the topography and the tactics used by Maoists. All this would require the sodiers to unlearn many of the lessons imparted to them for conventional warfare, and use tactics different from those in vogue in J&K and northeast.

The Army, which has already identified four senior officers for appointment as security advisors to the worst Naxal-affected states, plans to keep the specially-trained divisions in "ready-to-deploy" condition.

For that, it is pulling out troop components from artillery,armoured and other arms to put them through the new training module. Besides, the infantry units returning from counter-insurgency deployments in Kashmir and northeast will be put through the new training schedule once they have had enough rest and recuperation, sources said.

As a prelude to the eventual deployment, the Army has already stepped up its intelligence gathering capabilities in the Naxal belt. It traditionally never had any intelligence networks in the tribal areas of central India. To fill the gap, Central Command soldiers who understand tribal languages, have been deploying for intelligence gathering and analysis.

Authoritative sources said the four brigadiers, with extensive experience in counter-insurgency operations in northeast and Kashmir, have been identified for deputation to the Union home ministry. These officers will be appointed as security advisors to the unified commands, comprising paramilitary and state polices, that are being set up in Orissa, Jharkhand, West Bengal and Chhattisgarh.

These officers would be based in New Delhi as the defence ministry is reluctant at present to post them in the states, given the confusion over chain of command and other concerns, sources said.

 

[WillUSDemiseBePeaceful?]

Brief Reprieve for India's North East

Too stretched to join Naxal fight: Army
Pranab Dhal Samanta Posted online: Mon Jun 07 2010, 08:59 hrs
New Delhi : Even as the Cabinet Committee on Security is actively considering a Home Ministry proposal to create unified commands in each of the five main Naxal-affected states with a military officer included in the set-up as an adviser, the Army has conveyed that it is “too stretched” to spare additional troops for any enlarged operational role. It is, however, more open to the idea of posting advisers.

While the Army stand, which is backed by the Defence Ministry, can be overruled if a political call is made to use the military in this fight, sources said, there are other complications. The Army is believed to have also pointed out that its troops cannot be deployed for active operation without adequate legal protection through the implementation of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act and related instruments.

Sources said initial proposals from the Home Ministry did in fact, suggest a more active role for the Army. An earlier idea to shift some Rashtriya Rifles battalions to these areas was, however, rejected by the Army on the grounds of insufficient troops. Instead, it proposed raising fresh RR battalions.

As a result, a more limited role for the military is under consideration. However, there are differences after the Home Ministry identified de-mining operations as one of the key tasks for the military. The Army has argued that de-mining cannot be segregated as an operational task as no area is permanently mined in this case. Sources said Maoists use mines and improvised explosive devices as and when they desire, so such capability will have to exist in the force that is deployed for the operations.

The Defence Ministry is likely to go along with the idea of setting up unified commands, but officials remain sceptical about its effectiveness. From what it on the table, the proposed structure will be headed by the chief secretary of the state, with senior officials of the state police and paramilitary forces deployed in that state as members.

Here again, there are issues over the rank of the military adviser. Given that the police are not keen to have an Army official senior to police officers represented in the command, the adviser may end up being of the rank of a Brigadier or a Colonel. The Army, however, seems to be of the view that an adviser of the sort being conceived should be someone more senior, with varied military experience.

A suggestion to involve retired officers — to get around the issue of hierarchy — was apparently shot down by North Block. Still, this is one issue on which the military is likely to agree despite its reservations.

For North Block, however, accommodating police concerns is proving to be an uphill task. Just like raising fresh RR battalions got entangled in turf issues as the force is officered by the Army, another South Block proposal to have the military open a National Counter-Insurgency Training School for helping the paramilitary and police has not made much headway.

The Army, meanwhile, is insisting that IPS officers deployed for operations too must undergo training before induction along with the paramilitary personnel under their command given the pivotal role leadership plays in tactical operations. It has also conveyed the importance of having an entire platoon undergo training with its commanders rather than just an unfamiliar group of personnel who are then posted to separate locations.

On the logistics front, more coordination is envisaged with a sub-area headquarters planned in Chhattisgarh, along with a training facility for special forces as a measure of both deterrence and training assistance.

 

[LightsHope]

China's own internal affair.

 

[Nahraf]

China's own internal affair.

If we can raise in the issue of Kashmiri Muslims, Palestinian Muslims, Indian Muslims, Bosnian Muslims then why should we keep quiet about Uighur Muslims ? China is a close friend of Pakistan but that does not give it a license to kill Muslims. We cannot support persecution of Muslims in Uighuristan that borders Pakistan. We must advice China as a friend to act with restraint we should offer our assistance for peaceful resolution of the problem.

 

[AbuSalam]

Brief Reprieve for India's North East

Too stretched to join Naxal fight: Army
Pranab Dhal Samanta Posted online: Mon Jun 07 2010, 08:59 hrs
New Delhi : Even as the Cabinet Committee on Security is actively considering a Home Ministry proposal to create unified commands in each of the five main Naxal-affected states with a military officer included in the set-up as an adviser, the Army has conveyed that it is “too stretched” to spare additional troops for any enlarged operational role. It is, however, more open to the idea of posting advisers.

While the Army stand, which is backed by the Defence Ministry, can be overruled if a political call is made to use the military in this fight, sources said, there are other complications. The Army is believed to have also pointed out that its troops cannot be deployed for active operation without adequate legal protection through the implementation of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act and related instruments.

Sources said initial proposals from the Home Ministry did in fact, suggest a more active role for the Army. An earlier idea to shift some Rashtriya Rifles battalions to these areas was, however, rejected by the Army on the grounds of insufficient troops. Instead, it proposed raising fresh RR battalions.

As a result, a more limited role for the military is under consideration. However, there are differences after the Home Ministry identified de-mining operations as one of the key tasks for the military. The Army has argued that de-mining cannot be segregated as an operational task as no area is permanently mined in this case. Sources said Maoists use mines and improvised explosive devices as and when they desire, so such capability will have to exist in the force that is deployed for the operations.

The Defence Ministry is likely to go along with the idea of setting up unified commands, but officials remain sceptical about its effectiveness. From what it on the table, the proposed structure will be headed by the chief secretary of the state, with senior officials of the state police and paramilitary forces deployed in that state as members.

Here again, there are issues over the rank of the military adviser. Given that the police are not keen to have an Army official senior to police officers represented in the command, the adviser may end up being of the rank of a Brigadier or a Colonel. The Army, however, seems to be of the view that an adviser of the sort being conceived should be someone more senior, with varied military experience.

A suggestion to involve retired officers — to get around the issue of hierarchy — was apparently shot down by North Block. Still, this is one issue on which the military is likely to agree despite its reservations.

For North Block, however, accommodating police concerns is proving to be an uphill task. Just like raising fresh RR battalions got entangled in turf issues as the force is officered by the Army, another South Block proposal to have the military open a National Counter-Insurgency Training School for helping the paramilitary and police has not made much headway.

The Army, meanwhile, is insisting that IPS officers deployed for operations too must undergo training before induction along with the paramilitary personnel under their command given the pivotal role leadership plays in tactical operations. It has also conveyed the importance of having an entire platoon undergo training with its commanders rather than just an unfamiliar group of personnel who are then posted to separate locations.

On the logistics front, more coordination is envisaged with a sub-area headquarters planned in Chhattisgarh, along with a training facility for special forces as a measure of both deterrence and training assistance.

The topic is "Fear pervades China's Uighurs"

 

[seele9999]

innocent Muslims ?innocent people won't chop other peoples head off。

99% of chinese people still blame gov are too soft on xinjiang，why？

because they can have second baby，and crime free，such as thief， purse-cutting。guess what?still more。they have extra ponit in high school test....this test in china,will decide you go to some fancy college or not.

still feel not good enough??

ok,wanna crap on han people' head?????

some Indians & Americans criticize our ethnic policy？？？？？

you try live in china as a han people？？？？

 

[seele9999]

in the most expensive area in beijing，we still keep lama temple(Yonghegong Lamasery)，church(dongdan church)...

religion?to be honest,most people dont give a crap about religion。they can believe what ever they want。

 

[seele9999]

http://guofeng.blshe.com/post/4156/336132

some pics

the most expensive area in beijing，maby in the world...

theres a street called niujie (beijing Muslim area)

u can search niujie in google Images channel。