desiman
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you are slapping yourself with double standard
I dint get you point, care to explain ?
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you are slapping yourself with double standard
economy yes iagree with you this is the only thing wich india take edge on pakistan and fullfil the requirment of the iaf
ok at this time PAF have no fund and you sad j11 is not for export and there is doubt about j10 or j10b and jf17 is not capible to much then what is the futuer of PAF
i think not safe
can you explane your view's please
wating for reply THANK'S
thank you for finally agreeing with my brother, i dont see why people can argue over points that dont even make sense. PAF is a potent force and can counter an IAF attack not by buying the latest jets but my clever planning and implementation. Buying the same aircraft or even aircraft similar to that of the IAF will only but extreme pressure on Pakistan and take resources away from where they need to be. I think Pakistan should focus more on its navy as that can be a real deterrent to India more than some advanced jets. What do you think ?
hey my whole point is.... dont waist money on something like 100 J-11 but a cost effective solution "quality" technology would be 36 Rafale which should work very very effectively in conjunction with 80 or so upgraded F-16s.. the more number of planes we have in our air force the more $$$ it is going to deplete..
rafale is good but there is an other thread what about this ZARDARI can you tell me the anti of this one
hey my whole point is.... dont waist money on something like 100 J-11 but a cost effective solution "quality" technology would be 36 Rafale which should work very very effectively in conjunction with 80 or so upgraded F-16s.. the more number of planes we have in our air force the more $$$ it is going to deplete..
JF-17 for its role is a perfect platform for PAF, I mean as a light multi role combat plane... west will have no problem with supplying just about anything for JF-17 because its not much of a concern as they are already done with 4th generation and moved on to 4.5... It does not mean 4th gen are just cr@p now and must be dealt with respect but FC-20 being a 4.5 demands latest technology which i am afraid wont be available specially like frace would prefer to sell Rafale and earn some money for them self rather then help pakistan to make FC-20 par to world class fighter... however if things work out for pakistan they may probably be lucky enough to get their hands on "export" versions of Rafale, Gripen type systems like radar avionics etc...
Growler...India won't buy either the F-18 or the F-16. If Bush was in power then it was a given that either of the American aircraft would be chosen but with Obama relations have gone downhill pretty quickly.
Broadsword: Naval LCA: US puts Lockheed Martin off Tejas flight path
somebody wanna tell the person who wrote the article that lockheed martin had nothing to do with the hornet or the tomcat or any naval fighter since the Seastar.
Hey then pakistan should learn its lessons from the past and drop Erieye Type-214 new F-16 and other High tech deals in favor of "export" variant of "chinese" equipments?Hi Growler,
I think after suffering sanctions of all types PAF has a very well contemplated plan for modernization till 2019 and according to that plan no new fighter is insight in PAF line up and this is very understandably so.
I thought they realized that back in the days when PAF was massively out numbered.For the first time PAF has realized that we cannot compete with IAF by just buying new system and quantity is just irrelevant here.
This is your assumption. But let me enlighten you, If we do drop our eggs over and over again in one basket "China" i can grantee you that India will have a better MRCA. At the end of the day, India has the boeing deal Super Hornet in mind. Those who say India will have a split of EF Rafale Mig-35 are nothing but fools and understand nothing.-If PAF buy say 40 -60 front line 4.5 gen fighter jets what is grantee that India will not go for 100-120 similar or better one?
If this was even a concern then PAF would have never invested in western technology which they are still doing.-What are the odds that Europe will continue to support us in real war with India which is strategic partner for Europe for business?
uhh let me see.-How long Pakistan will able to keep on buying expensive jets from West?
-Will West ever offer us ToT without strings attached?
If China is willing to help us with funding so PAF is using this opportunity, i dough the reason is that PAF is in any sort of debt yet.-Last but not the least, If PAF had to request China for debt to start JF-17 production in Pakistan how come PAF will able to fund Western fighters?
If pakistan was a rich country then what you are saying would not have been the case today.I think keeping in mind all these aspects it is clear why PAF future road map is so much dependent on China or in my words why it is not depending on West or US.
And remarkably only the western equipments like AMRAAM Erieye will give us the advantage that we need. I dough SD-10 or ZDK-03 can provide even 50% of that.At present, PAF is in bad shape viz-a-viz IAF w.r.t technology. But good thing is PAF is bridging this gap pretty fast. If we can recall 1990s there were no BVR, no AEW&C, no IFR, no capabilities to made any fighter at home... But in 2010 things will be lot better. PAF will have all these technologies.
Quality over quantitySo where lies real gap which PAF can't match is NUMBERS.. Which IAF will have in their favor and forever. Now can we live with IAF on our borders with huge numbers? Answer is NO. What is solution...
PAF can't afford too many Western fighters economically. This is fact. Now any proposal must be cohesive with this fact. J-10 needs a partner and it has one already; JF-17.
typically blind patriotism for China.Now I don't know what people (read Growler) thing here but FACT is PAF will never able to match Front line fighters of IAF by buying them so only way forward is to invest on THUNDERS and FC-20 and build them in home.
And you think china can do that over night? you know what PAF officer told me. We buy chinese equipment because they are cheap not becuase they are best bang for the buck.Now there will be an argument that How some Western country will sell us there top of the line avionics and weapons for our project... Hmmm... I think PAF is also aware of this thing as well and that's why PAF is pushing Chinese companies to make systems as per its own requirements. We all know Chinese are not there in avionics and weapons where West or Uncle is but having said that it is also a FACT that with pace China is pushing its R&D it will not remain like this forever and PAF is waiting for that moment.
Mind you PAF defense is "OFFENSE".Why PAF must just stick to J-10 and JF-17? Well apart from economics Pakistan's defense doctrine answer this. We are a defending nation so no need weapon system designed for pure attacking purpose. Both multirole platform will have enough potential to do serious damage to Indian military infrastructure. Deployed in numbers with some wisely developed combat tactics along with ground sensors and assets (SAM) these can make life of any adversary painful.
but i thought F-16s would be stuck in hangers during war as uncle sam will have the magic button.And don't forget these will be backed by AWACS and F-16s will be there as well.
if it has 10+ AAM then it is very capable to do so..Quality over quantity... Yes true. But even a F-22 can't be at 10 places at same time.