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We need to develop enough JF17's for ourselves then we can begin exporting too.
Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft
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are you serious sire??
WS-10?? Really??
I suppose it can't be fitted in JFT
Maybe it was WS-13??
WS-10 can't be fitted in JFT it is for J-10
For JFT there is WS-13 smaller version of WS-10 with i suppose 98-100Kn thrust
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^^^ Correct. 2 different versions of Chinese made engines for different fighter jets
If China is not as keen to sell FC-1 / JF-17, we cannot have invested additional money, time and energy developing WS-13 exclusively for the jets.
This report is about 5 months old. Read on Chinese side of reporting the prospects of Xiaolong FC-1/JF-17：
第九届珠海航展2012年11月13日隆重开幕，开幕前夕，中国航空技术进出口总公司(CATIC)总裁马志平接受环球网独家采访，就枭龙战机的国际外销情况和枭龙发动机相关问题回答了记者提问。
　　环球网记者提到，美国著名智库“国际战略和评估中心”专家理查德-费舍尔在2012年2月曾撰文称，枭龙已经吸引了阿尔及利亚、阿塞拜疆、孟加拉、刚果、埃及、伊朗、尼日利亚、缅甸、斯里兰卡、苏丹和津巴布韦等11国的采购兴趣。而且，上届迪拜航展期间，巴基斯坦空军枭龙也进行了飞行表演。那么，枭龙的销售近况如何？
　　马总表示，枭龙作为我们一款主要面向发展中国家市场的第三代战斗机，主要追求的是低成本、高作战效能，能够担负国土防空、近地攻击等任务。枭龙面世以来，很多国家对这款飞机进行了广泛的研究，目前，大致已经有十个国家对枭龙战机进行了飞行评估，有很多国家派出飞行员对枭龙进行了飞行测试，至于飞机的销售还要根据各个国家的经济情况以及枭龙使用和维护经验的积累而逐步扩大。
　　马志平总裁总特别提到，2011年迪拜航展期间，有资深外媒一篇报道以“枭龙会成为下一代最畅销的战斗机吗？”为题，专门探讨枭龙的销售前景，马总对此信心十足地表示，这是肯定的，“枭龙将会成为世界上下一代最畅销的战斗机”。
　　环球网记者问及有关枭龙的发动机事宜，并提到有关外媒猜测枭龙将用上中国造发动机，对此马总表示，目前枭龙所用RD-93发动机是米格-29所用发动机的专门改型，是一款专门为枭龙战机研发的发动机，应该说，在过去的十年间，中俄两国的航空工业部门对这款发动机的研制付出了很大的努力，也得到了俄罗斯政府和中国政府的支持。马总说，尽管这款发动机现在还存在一些技术上的短板，但“我们对这款发动机还是有信心的”，他同时指出，枭龙的发动机面临多种选择，主要取决于用户的需求。
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Ninth Zhuhai Air Show November 13, 2012 grand opening of the eve of the opening, president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) Ma Zhiping accept the World Wide Web is an exclusive interview on the the Xiaolong fighter international export and Xiaolong engine answered a reporter's question.
Global Network reporter mentioned that the famous American think tank International Strategy and Assessment Center expert Richard - Fisher wrote in February 2012 that the Xiaolong has attracted Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Congo, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Sudan and Zimbabwe 11 countries interested in purchasing. Moreover, during the last Dubai Airshow, the Pakistan Air Force Xiaolong conducted flight demonstrations. So, Xiaolong How are sales?
Ma always said, Xiaolong as a major third-generation fighter for the developing markets, mainly the pursuit of low cost, high combat effectiveness, and able to assume the task of homeland defense, attack near. Since the launch of Xiaolong, many countries this aircraft has been extensively studied, roughly 10 countries Xiaolong fighter flight evaluation, many countries sent a flight test pilot Xiaolong As for aircraft sales but also according to each country's economic situation, and Xiaolong use and maintenance experience accumulated gradually expanded.
President Ma Zhiping total special mention, during the Dubai Air Show in 2011, a senior foreign media report Fierce Dragon will become the next generation of the best-selling fighter? "In the title, devoted to the sales prospects of Xiaolong Ma always expressed confidence that, that's for sure, "Xiaolong fighter will become the world's next generation of the best-selling fighter jets.
Global Network reporter asked about Xiaolong engine matters, and referred to the foreign media speculation Xiaolong will spend engine made in China, this horse always said that the current Xiaolong with RD-93 engines MiG-29 engine used specialized modifications, is a specialized for the the Xiaolong fighter R & D engine, it should be said, the development of this engine in the past decade, China and Russia's aviation industry has made great efforts, but also supported by the Russian the support of the government and the Chinese government. Ma always said, this engine there are still some technical short board, but this engine still has confidence, "he also pointed out that Xiaolong engine is exposed to a variety of choices, depending on the needs of users .
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If China is not as keen to sell FC-1 / JF-17, we cannot have invested additional money, time and energy developing WS-13 exclusively for the jets.
This report is about 5 months old. Read on Chinese side of reporting the prospects of Xiaolong FC-1/JF-17：
第九届珠海航展2012年11月13日隆重开幕，开幕前夕，中国航空技术进出口总公司(CATIC)总裁马志平接受环球网独家采访，就枭龙战机的国际外销情况和枭龙发动机相关问题回答了记者提问。
　　环球网记者提到，美国著名智库“国际战略和评估中心”专家理查德-费舍尔在2012年2月曾撰文称，枭龙已经吸引了阿尔及利亚、阿塞拜疆、孟加拉、刚果、埃及、伊朗、尼日利亚、缅甸、斯里兰卡、苏丹和津巴布韦等11国的采购兴趣。而且，上届迪拜航展期间，巴基斯坦空军枭龙也进行了飞行表演。那么，枭龙的销售近况如何？
　　马总表示，枭龙作为我们一款主要面向发展中国家市场的第三代战斗机，主要追求的是低成本、高作战效能，能够担负国土防空、近地攻击等任务。枭龙面世以来，很多国家对这款飞机进行了广泛的研究，目前，大致已经有十个国家对枭龙战机进行了飞行评估，有很多国家派出飞行员对枭龙进行了飞行测试，至于飞机的销售还要根据各个国家的经济情况以及枭龙使用和维护经验的积累而逐步扩大。
　　马志平总裁总特别提到，2011年迪拜航展期间，有资深外媒一篇报道以“枭龙会成为下一代最畅销的战斗机吗？”为题，专门探讨枭龙的销售前景，马总对此信心十足地表示，这是肯定的，“枭龙将会成为世界上下一代最畅销的战斗机”。
　　环球网记者问及有关枭龙的发动机事宜，并提到有关外媒猜测枭龙将用上中国造发动机，对此马总表示，目前枭龙所用RD-93发动机是米格-29所用发动机的专门改型，是一款专门为枭龙战机研发的发动机，应该说，在过去的十年间，中俄两国的航空工业部门对这款发动机的研制付出了很大的努力，也得到了俄罗斯政府和中国政府的支持。马总说，尽管这款发动机现在还存在一些技术上的短板，但“我们对这款发动机还是有信心的”，他同时指出，枭龙的发动机面临多种选择，主要取决于用户的需求。
Chinanews.com
Ninth Zhuhai Air Show November 13, 2012 grand opening of the eve of the opening, president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) Ma Zhiping accept the World Wide Web is an exclusive interview on the the Xiaolong fighter international export and Xiaolong engine answered a reporter's question.
Global Network reporter mentioned that the famous American think tank International Strategy and Assessment Center expert Richard - Fisher wrote in February 2012 that the Xiaolong has attracted Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Congo, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Sudan and Zimbabwe 11 countries interested in purchasing. Moreover, during the last Dubai Airshow, the Pakistan Air Force Xiaolong conducted flight demonstrations. So, Xiaolong How are sales?
Ma always said, Xiaolong as a major third-generation fighter for the developing markets, mainly the pursuit of low cost, high combat effectiveness, and able to assume the task of homeland defense, attack near. Since the launch of Xiaolong, many countries this aircraft has been extensively studied, roughly 10 countries Xiaolong fighter flight evaluation, many countries sent a flight test pilot Xiaolong As for aircraft sales but also according to each country's economic situation, and Xiaolong use and maintenance experience accumulated gradually expanded.
President Ma Zhiping total special mention, during the Dubai Air Show in 2011, a senior foreign media report Fierce Dragon will become the next generation of the best-selling fighter? "In the title, devoted to the sales prospects of Xiaolong Ma always expressed confidence that, that's for sure, "Xiaolong fighter will become the world's next generation of the best-selling fighter jets.
Global Network reporter asked about Xiaolong engine matters, and referred to the foreign media speculation Xiaolong will spend engine made in China, this horse always said that the current Xiaolong with RD-93 engines MiG-29 engine used specialized modifications, is a specialized for the the Xiaolong fighter R & D engine, it should be said, the development of this engine in the past decade, China and Russia's aviation industry has made great efforts, but also supported by the Russian the support of the government and the Chinese government. Ma always said, this engine there are still some technical short board, but this engine still has confidence, "he also pointed out that Xiaolong engine is exposed to a variety of choices, depending on the needs of users .
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are you serious sire??
WS-10?? Really??
I suppose it can't be fitted in JFT……
Maybe it was WS-13??
WS-10 can't be fitted in JFT it is for J-10………
For JFT there is WS-13 smaller version of WS-10 with i suppose 98-100Kn thrust………
WS-13 has 86kn thrust
and upgraded varriant
WS-13A has 98-100kn thrust and smoke issue is also resolved in WS-13A
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美俄与中国争市场
:2009/02/13 10:30
“枭龙”以低价格、高作战性能的招牌打入国际市场后，引起轰动。首飞成功后，至少有十几个国家的空军代表到成都现场观摩，津巴布韦还下订单，要求采购12架。巴基斯坦计划引进全套生产线，并向一些中东国家推销。中国计划至少生产250架，以用于外销。
但是，军贸竞争难讲“双赢”，国际军机的销售大户美俄怕“枭龙”影响自家的销售，开始暗中做手脚。 2006年4月，巴基斯坦的生产线刚开工，突然传来美国要提供F-16C/D型战斗机和15亿美元军援的消息。此次，美国大方的提出可供给代表20世纪90年代后期水平的新型F-16，其中，至少包括55架新机和11架二手机，总金额达30多亿美元，若扣除美援助款后，只需付一半的钱。这样算起来单机价格只是“枭龙”的1.5倍，而性能提供不少，这个“蛋糕”实在是太诱人了，巴方不可能不动心。有消息称，巴基斯坦空军对“枭龙”采购量可能降到70架。有专家认为，美国此计，在于“一石二鸟”，不仅含有争取巴方协助“反恐”的战略考虑，同时还带有把中国逐出中东国家战机市场的意图。
埃及曾经对“枭龙”很感兴趣，计划订购65架。埃及以前曾向中国采购了50架K-8高级教练机，不少学员对这种喷气式教练机的性能赞不绝口。现在，美国也插手到里面来了，美国向埃及表示，愿出售本国退役的二手F-16C/D型战机，并负责改良升级，单价和“枭龙”一样。美国这样做，既处理了本国旧品，又能干扰他国订购中国的“枭龙”。
枭龙03 Xiaolong 03
俄罗斯也在“枭龙”的销售上找借口设障碍，因为“枭龙”采用的是巴克西莫夫发动机，单价为250万美元。俄方虽然允许上述发动机安装在“枭龙”上外销，但是，也设置了条件：“枭龙”若将其出口到中国以外的其他地区，必须得到俄罗斯的许可，不能对俄制战斗机出口造成障碍。例如孟加拉国过去主要购买中国战机，现在，俄罗斯参与投标，将其划入自己的销售范围，这一不合理的要求无疑是想把“枭龙”赶出南亚市场。俄罗斯为了加强米格飞机的竞争优势，甚至表示愿把米格-29以1300万美元的价格，卖给原来想买“枭龙”的马来西亚和缅甸等国，而且提供每架200万美元的升级服务费。由于米格机型的声誉比尚未经过战争考验的“枭龙”好得多，所以，进一步使得“枭龙”的销售目标难以实现。
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The United States and Russia and China to fight the market
:2009/02/13 10:30
"Fierce Dragon" into the international market at low prices, high operational performance signs, caused a sensation. Successful maiden flight, at least a dozen countries to Chengdu Air Force representatives to observe the scene, Zimbabwe orders require the purchase of 12. Pakistan plans to introduce a full set of production lines to sell some Middle East countries. China plans to produce at least 250 for export.
However, military and trade competition is hard to say "win-win", a major international military aircraft sales afraid of the "Fierce Dragon" in the United States and Russia to affect the sales of their own, began secretly tricks. In April 2006, Pakistan's production line has just started, suddenly there came the United States to provide the message of the F-16C / D fighters and military aid to $ 1.5 billion.
The generous supply on behalf of the late 1990s, the level of new F-16, which includes at least 55 new and 11 second-hands, totaling more than 30 billion U.S. dollars, net of U.S. aid just pay half of the money. So you figure stand-alone price is only 1.5 times the "Fierce Dragon", and performance provide a lot of this "cake" is too tempting, the Pakistani side can not not be tempted. It is said that the Pakistan Air Force procurement volume of the "Fierce Dragon" may be reduced to 70. Some experts believe that the counter in the United States is "one stone two birds", contains not only fight for Pakistan to assist in the strategic considerations of the "anti-terrorism", but also with the intention of the Chinese expelled from the countries in the Middle East aircraft market.
Egypt had "Fierce Dragon" is very interested in plans to order 65. Egypt has previously purchased 50 K-8 advanced trainer, many students are full of praise for the performance of such a jet trainer. Now, the United States to intervene to the inside to the United States to Egypt expressed their willingness to retire from the sale of their own second-hand F-16C / D fighters, and is responsible for the improvement and upgrading, unit price and the "Fierce Dragon". United States to do so, both to deal with their old products, but also interfere with other countries Order "Fierce Dragon".
Russia is also on the sales of the "Fierce Dragon" looking for an excuse to set up barriers, "Fierce Dragon" Buck Gerasimov engine, is priced at $ 2,500,000. Russia to allow the engine mounted on the "Fierce Dragon" export, but also set the conditions: "Fierce Dragon" other areas outside of the exports to China have to get Russia's permission, can not be caused by the export of Russian-made fighter obstacles. Such as Bangladesh in the past mainly to buy a Chinese fighter, now Russia's participation in the tender, will be included in the scope of their sales, this unreasonable demands will undoubtedly want to "Fierce Dragon" out of the South Asian market. Russia in order to strengthen the competitive advantage of the MiG aircraft, and even expressed willingness to MiG-29 price of $ 13 million, sold to Malaysia and Myanmar and other countries want to buy the original "Fierce Dragon" and upgrade of $ 2 million per aircraft. service charge. Much better than the "Fierce Dragon" has not been a test of the war, due to the reputation of the MiG models, further makes the "Fierce Dragon" sales target difficult to achieve.
Google translation
:2009/02/13 10:30
“枭龙”以低价格、高作战性能的招牌打入国际市场后，引起轰动。首飞成功后，至少有十几个国家的空军代表到成都现场观摩，津巴布韦还下订单，要求采购12架。巴基斯坦计划引进全套生产线，并向一些中东国家推销。中国计划至少生产250架，以用于外销。
但是，军贸竞争难讲“双赢”，国际军机的销售大户美俄怕“枭龙”影响自家的销售，开始暗中做手脚。 2006年4月，巴基斯坦的生产线刚开工，突然传来美国要提供F-16C/D型战斗机和15亿美元军援的消息。此次，美国大方的提出可供给代表20世纪90年代后期水平的新型F-16，其中，至少包括55架新机和11架二手机，总金额达30多亿美元，若扣除美援助款后，只需付一半的钱。这样算起来单机价格只是“枭龙”的1.5倍，而性能提供不少，这个“蛋糕”实在是太诱人了，巴方不可能不动心。有消息称，巴基斯坦空军对“枭龙”采购量可能降到70架。有专家认为，美国此计，在于“一石二鸟”，不仅含有争取巴方协助“反恐”的战略考虑，同时还带有把中国逐出中东国家战机市场的意图。
埃及曾经对“枭龙”很感兴趣，计划订购65架。埃及以前曾向中国采购了50架K-8高级教练机，不少学员对这种喷气式教练机的性能赞不绝口。现在，美国也插手到里面来了，美国向埃及表示，愿出售本国退役的二手F-16C/D型战机，并负责改良升级，单价和“枭龙”一样。美国这样做，既处理了本国旧品，又能干扰他国订购中国的“枭龙”。
枭龙03 Xiaolong 03
俄罗斯也在“枭龙”的销售上找借口设障碍，因为“枭龙”采用的是巴克西莫夫发动机，单价为250万美元。俄方虽然允许上述发动机安装在“枭龙”上外销，但是，也设置了条件：“枭龙”若将其出口到中国以外的其他地区，必须得到俄罗斯的许可，不能对俄制战斗机出口造成障碍。例如孟加拉国过去主要购买中国战机，现在，俄罗斯参与投标，将其划入自己的销售范围，这一不合理的要求无疑是想把“枭龙”赶出南亚市场。俄罗斯为了加强米格飞机的竞争优势，甚至表示愿把米格-29以1300万美元的价格，卖给原来想买“枭龙”的马来西亚和缅甸等国，而且提供每架200万美元的升级服务费。由于米格机型的声誉比尚未经过战争考验的“枭龙”好得多，所以，进一步使得“枭龙”的销售目标难以实现。
http://club.xilu.com
The United States and Russia and China to fight the market
:2009/02/13 10:30
"Fierce Dragon" into the international market at low prices, high operational performance signs, caused a sensation. Successful maiden flight, at least a dozen countries to Chengdu Air Force representatives to observe the scene, Zimbabwe orders require the purchase of 12. Pakistan plans to introduce a full set of production lines to sell some Middle East countries. China plans to produce at least 250 for export.
However, military and trade competition is hard to say "win-win", a major international military aircraft sales afraid of the "Fierce Dragon" in the United States and Russia to affect the sales of their own, began secretly tricks. In April 2006, Pakistan's production line has just started, suddenly there came the United States to provide the message of the F-16C / D fighters and military aid to $ 1.5 billion.
The generous supply on behalf of the late 1990s, the level of new F-16, which includes at least 55 new and 11 second-hands, totaling more than 30 billion U.S. dollars, net of U.S. aid just pay half of the money. So you figure stand-alone price is only 1.5 times the "Fierce Dragon", and performance provide a lot of this "cake" is too tempting, the Pakistani side can not not be tempted. It is said that the Pakistan Air Force procurement volume of the "Fierce Dragon" may be reduced to 70. Some experts believe that the counter in the United States is "one stone two birds", contains not only fight for Pakistan to assist in the strategic considerations of the "anti-terrorism", but also with the intention of the Chinese expelled from the countries in the Middle East aircraft market.
Egypt had "Fierce Dragon" is very interested in plans to order 65. Egypt has previously purchased 50 K-8 advanced trainer, many students are full of praise for the performance of such a jet trainer. Now, the United States to intervene to the inside to the United States to Egypt expressed their willingness to retire from the sale of their own second-hand F-16C / D fighters, and is responsible for the improvement and upgrading, unit price and the "Fierce Dragon". United States to do so, both to deal with their old products, but also interfere with other countries Order "Fierce Dragon".
Russia is also on the sales of the "Fierce Dragon" looking for an excuse to set up barriers, "Fierce Dragon" Buck Gerasimov engine, is priced at $ 2,500,000. Russia to allow the engine mounted on the "Fierce Dragon" export, but also set the conditions: "Fierce Dragon" other areas outside of the exports to China have to get Russia's permission, can not be caused by the export of Russian-made fighter obstacles. Such as Bangladesh in the past mainly to buy a Chinese fighter, now Russia's participation in the tender, will be included in the scope of their sales, this unreasonable demands will undoubtedly want to "Fierce Dragon" out of the South Asian market. Russia in order to strengthen the competitive advantage of the MiG aircraft, and even expressed willingness to MiG-29 price of $ 13 million, sold to Malaysia and Myanmar and other countries want to buy the original "Fierce Dragon" and upgrade of $ 2 million per aircraft. service charge. Much better than the "Fierce Dragon" has not been a test of the war, due to the reputation of the MiG models, further makes the "Fierce Dragon" sales target difficult to achieve.
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if WS-13 also have smoke issue and same thrust as RD-93 then what is improvement overall in WS-13??
well if you are true then I suppose PAF will go with WS-13 A
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That is the goal. First PAF's orders shall be fulfilled, then 3 separate production lines will be set-up to reach other orders.
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no WS-13 is slightly advance then RD93 and it began serial production in 2009 and also Officials at the Farnborough International Airshow in August 2010 stated that a JF-17 development aircraft is flying with a Chinese engine, which is most likely to be the WS-13.
link = Guizhou WS-13 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and Paf will go with WS-13 because chines are more relaible then russian and WS-13A is in testing so latter JF-17 blk2 will have WS-13A with more thrust.
and with chines engine we can see exports now hopefully.
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This export deal was confirmed which dated back to last December, 2012
斯里兰卡政府确认计划采购6架中国造枭龙战机
2012年12月11日 15:18 环球网
【环球网综合报道】据斯里兰卡《镜报》(Sri Lanka Mirror)2012年12月9日报道，根据斯里兰卡国防与城市发展部确认，斯里兰卡空军计划购买6架枭龙战机(中国叫做FC-1“枭龙”，在巴基斯坦以及国际市场上叫做JF-17“雷电”
。
　　文章称，这些战机拟在2013年度最终敲定购买计划。但是，斯里兰卡具体何时购买枭龙战斗机尚待定。
　　JF-17“枭龙”战斗机是一款全天候、单座轻型多用途战斗机，由中国和巴基斯坦联合研制，枭龙机动性较强、具备中远距空中拦截、近距格斗和对面精确打击能力。
　　[World net comprehensive reporting] According to Sri Lanka "Mirror reported" (Sri Lanka Mirror) reported on December 9, 2012, according to the Sri Lankan defense and urban development Ministry confirmed, Sri Lanka Air Force plans to buy six Xiaolong fighter (Chinese called the FC-1 "Fierce Dragon"in Pakistan, as well as international market called the JF-17" lightning ").
The article said that these aircraft to be in the year 2013 to finalize the purchase program. However, Sri Lanka and when to buy Xiaolong fighter yet to be given.
JF-17 "Fierce Dragon" fighter is an all-weather, single-seat light multi-role fighter by China and Pakistan jointly developed, Xiaolong mobility strong, with long-distance air interception, the dogfight and opposite precision strike capability.
and also on PDF
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-air-force/223392-confirmed-sri-lanka-air-force-buy-jf-17s.html
http://www.mirror.lk/news/3693-airforce-to-purchase-06-combat-planes
So Sri-Lanka is the first export customer of FC-1 / JF-17
斯里兰卡政府确认计划采购6架中国造枭龙战机
2012年12月11日 15:18 环球网
【环球网综合报道】据斯里兰卡《镜报》(Sri Lanka Mirror)2012年12月9日报道，根据斯里兰卡国防与城市发展部确认，斯里兰卡空军计划购买6架枭龙战机(中国叫做FC-1“枭龙”，在巴基斯坦以及国际市场上叫做JF-17“雷电”
。　　文章称，这些战机拟在2013年度最终敲定购买计划。但是，斯里兰卡具体何时购买枭龙战斗机尚待定。
　　JF-17“枭龙”战斗机是一款全天候、单座轻型多用途战斗机，由中国和巴基斯坦联合研制，枭龙机动性较强、具备中远距空中拦截、近距格斗和对面精确打击能力。
　　[World net comprehensive reporting] According to Sri Lanka "Mirror reported" (Sri Lanka Mirror) reported on December 9, 2012, according to the Sri Lankan defense and urban development Ministry confirmed, Sri Lanka Air Force plans to buy six Xiaolong fighter (Chinese called the FC-1 "Fierce Dragon"in Pakistan, as well as international market called the JF-17" lightning ").
The article said that these aircraft to be in the year 2013 to finalize the purchase program. However, Sri Lanka and when to buy Xiaolong fighter yet to be given.
JF-17 "Fierce Dragon" fighter is an all-weather, single-seat light multi-role fighter by China and Pakistan jointly developed, Xiaolong mobility strong, with long-distance air interception, the dogfight and opposite precision strike capability.
and also on PDF
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-air-force/223392-confirmed-sri-lanka-air-force-buy-jf-17s.html
http://www.mirror.lk/news/3693-airforce-to-purchase-06-combat-planes
So Sri-Lanka is the first export customer of FC-1 / JF-17
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I would like to say two things. Firstly PAFs need for the F16 is for the Hi end of the Hi-Lo combination and unrelated to anything else.Secondly irreapective of what the article suggests PAF will never be foolish enough to drop JFT numbers. As to scheming of the US and Russia everyone has aright to protect their business, and the bigger the business the bigger the web of deceit.美俄与中国争市场
:2009/02/13 10:30
“枭龙”以低价格、高作战性能的招牌打入国际市场后，引起轰动。首飞成功后，至少有十几个国家的空军代表到成都现场观摩，津巴布韦还下订单，要求采购12架。巴基斯坦计划引进全套生产线，并向一些中东国家推销。中国计划至少生产250架，以用于外销。
但是，军贸竞争难讲“双赢”，国际军机的销售大户美俄怕“枭龙”影响自家的销售，开始暗中做手脚。 2006年4月，巴基斯坦的生产线刚开工，突然传来美国要提供F-16C/D型战斗机和15亿美元军援的消息。此次，美国大方的提出可供给代表20世纪90年代后期水平的新型F-16，其中，至少包括55架新机和11架二手机，总金额达30多亿美元，若扣除美援助款后，只需付一半的钱。这样算起来单机价格只是“枭龙”的1.5倍，而性能提供不少，这个“蛋糕”实在是太诱人了，巴方不可能不动心。有消息称，巴基斯坦空军对“枭龙”采购量可能降到70架。有专家认为，美国此计，在于“一石二鸟”，不仅含有争取巴方协助“反恐”的战略考虑，同时还带有把中国逐出中东国家战机市场的意图。
埃及曾经对“枭龙”很感兴趣，计划订购65架。埃及以前曾向中国采购了50架K-8高级教练机，不少学员对这种喷气式教练机的性能赞不绝口。现在，美国也插手到里面来了，美国向埃及表示，愿出售本国退役的二手F-16C/D型战机，并负责改良升级，单价和“枭龙”一样。美国这样做，既处理了本国旧品，又能干扰他国订购中国的“枭龙”。
枭龙03 Xiaolong 03
俄罗斯也在“枭龙”的销售上找借口设障碍，因为“枭龙”采用的是巴克西莫夫发动机，单价为250万美元。俄方虽然允许上述发动机安装在“枭龙”上外销，但是，也设置了条件：“枭龙”若将其出口到中国以外的其他地区，必须得到俄罗斯的许可，不能对俄制战斗机出口造成障碍。例如孟加拉国过去主要购买中国战机，现在，俄罗斯参与投标，将其划入自己的销售范围，这一不合理的要求无疑是想把“枭龙”赶出南亚市场。俄罗斯为了加强米格飞机的竞争优势，甚至表示愿把米格-29以1300万美元的价格，卖给原来想买“枭龙”的马来西亚和缅甸等国，而且提供每架200万美元的升级服务费。由于米格机型的声誉比尚未经过战争考验的“枭龙”好得多，所以，进一步使得“枭龙”的销售目标难以实现。
http://club.xilu.com
The United States and Russia and China to fight the market
:2009/02/13 10:30
"Fierce Dragon" into the international market at low prices, high operational performance signs, caused a sensation. Successful maiden flight, at least a dozen countries to Chengdu Air Force representatives to observe the scene, Zimbabwe orders require the purchase of 12. Pakistan plans to introduce a full set of production lines to sell some Middle East countries. China plans to produce at least 250 for export.
However, military and trade competition is hard to say "win-win", a major international military aircraft sales afraid of the "Fierce Dragon" in the United States and Russia to affect the sales of their own, began secretly tricks. In April 2006, Pakistan's production line has just started, suddenly there came the United States to provide the message of the F-16C / D fighters and military aid to $ 1.5 billion.
The generous supply on behalf of the late 1990s, the level of new F-16, which includes at least 55 new and 11 second-hands, totaling more than 30 billion U.S. dollars, net of U.S. aid just pay half of the money. So you figure stand-alone price is only 1.5 times the "Fierce Dragon", and performance provide a lot of this "cake" is too tempting, the Pakistani side can not not be tempted. It is said that the Pakistan Air Force procurement volume of the "Fierce Dragon" may be reduced to 70. Some experts believe that the counter in the United States is "one stone two birds", contains not only fight for Pakistan to assist in the strategic considerations of the "anti-terrorism", but also with the intention of the Chinese expelled from the countries in the Middle East aircraft market.
Egypt had "Fierce Dragon" is very interested in plans to order 65. Egypt has previously purchased 50 K-8 advanced trainer, many students are full of praise for the performance of such a jet trainer. Now, the United States to intervene to the inside to the United States to Egypt expressed their willingness to retire from the sale of their own second-hand F-16C / D fighters, and is responsible for the improvement and upgrading, unit price and the "Fierce Dragon". United States to do so, both to deal with their old products, but also interfere with other countries Order "Fierce Dragon".
Russia is also on the sales of the "Fierce Dragon" looking for an excuse to set up barriers, "Fierce Dragon" Buck Gerasimov engine, is priced at $ 2,500,000. Russia to allow the engine mounted on the "Fierce Dragon" export, but also set the conditions: "Fierce Dragon" other areas outside of the exports to China have to get Russia's permission, can not be caused by the export of Russian-made fighter obstacles. Such as Bangladesh in the past mainly to buy a Chinese fighter, now Russia's participation in the tender, will be included in the scope of their sales, this unreasonable demands will undoubtedly want to "Fierce Dragon" out of the South Asian market. Russia in order to strengthen the competitive advantage of the MiG aircraft, and even expressed willingness to MiG-29 price of $ 13 million, sold to Malaysia and Myanmar and other countries want to buy the original "Fierce Dragon" and upgrade of $ 2 million per aircraft. service charge. Much better than the "Fierce Dragon" has not been a test of the war, due to the reputation of the MiG models, further makes the "Fierce Dragon" sales target difficult to achieve.
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The delay seems to have a dual reason.
1. The issue was whether to accept the corrupt ppp leadership. China refused. So no new parts or contracts were allowed till Zardari left office. This was a known issue when Zardari visited China and the Chinese were shocked that after helping designing, developing and providing soft loans they now were pressured to pay a corrupt president. So Zardari went for building a second factory near his hometown...
2. The PAF had to think about whether they wanted to make three squadrons operational or just wait a year longer to produce block 2. The choice was pretty simple. With links, IFR and major weapon upgrade the upgraded variant is a lot more suited for medium end network warfare. So they stopped around 12-038 or 12-039. Just enough to fully arm two squadrons which will receive the MLU sooner then we all expect.
Meanwhile a lot more resources are put in final upgrade with AESA. But the pressure is a bit lower since India pushed away Rafale. We cannot afford the latest so we have to take care of what is needed and not what is heavenly nice to get... There are other plans with SAMS and tactical BM and CM so we diversified our assets. The focus is very much on Navy... Hint... Gwadar... China... Navy... (Marines).
1. The issue was whether to accept the corrupt ppp leadership. China refused. So no new parts or contracts were allowed till Zardari left office. This was a known issue when Zardari visited China and the Chinese were shocked that after helping designing, developing and providing soft loans they now were pressured to pay a corrupt president. So Zardari went for building a second factory near his hometown...
2. The PAF had to think about whether they wanted to make three squadrons operational or just wait a year longer to produce block 2. The choice was pretty simple. With links, IFR and major weapon upgrade the upgraded variant is a lot more suited for medium end network warfare. So they stopped around 12-038 or 12-039. Just enough to fully arm two squadrons which will receive the MLU sooner then we all expect.
Meanwhile a lot more resources are put in final upgrade with AESA. But the pressure is a bit lower since India pushed away Rafale. We cannot afford the latest so we have to take care of what is needed and not what is heavenly nice to get... There are other plans with SAMS and tactical BM and CM so we diversified our assets. The focus is very much on Navy... Hint... Gwadar... China... Navy... (Marines).
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Just to add to point 1, a friend of mine in PAF also told me a shocking development that the soft loan arranged for the first batch of 42 JF-17s was done in very difficult conditions, since Zardari wanted his share and something like 50M $ or 100M$ was given for which the PPP govt arranged the soft loan from China. PAF guys were very upset and it seems it upset the Chinese too.
@TaimiKhan It is a very well known problem with the military on the one side trying to get the plane in a decent way and on the other side Zardari trying to make his deal to get big numbers so he can move out Pakistan after elections. I am quite surprised that only few know this on the forums. This attitude made FC20 a dead deal. This attitude destroyed finishing the 42 first batch JF17. The PAF guys were upset but the Chinese made it clear. As long as Zardari is there in Pakistani there is no talk nor planes. So hence you see hardly new developments at PAC Kamra. BTW I got this info not from the Pakistani side... That says enough. It was told to me a few weeks after Zardari visited China... Long time ago. Pakistani side rather waited and hoped for the best.
@Donatello Well, it is a big deal so won't be there on a fast track. And one needs shore installations etc. It fits in replacing some old assets and the need for assymetric warfare and second strike.
Well, most of Pakistani know these ppp people have robbed the nation but you all have no clue how worse. It pretty much left Pakistan empty. JF17 was bad done. FC20 was killed. Nescom budget was cut and you can go on for al lot more. They installed their party people inside ISI, military etc just to avoid confrontation and to continue the robbing. The Indians have their issues with deals, we are excelling them in that but no one knows it.
@Donatello Well, it is a big deal so won't be there on a fast track. And one needs shore installations etc. It fits in replacing some old assets and the need for assymetric warfare and second strike.
Well, most of Pakistani know these ppp people have robbed the nation but you all have no clue how worse. It pretty much left Pakistan empty. JF17 was bad done. FC20 was killed. Nescom budget was cut and you can go on for al lot more. They installed their party people inside ISI, military etc just to avoid confrontation and to continue the robbing. The Indians have their issues with deals, we are excelling them in that but no one knows it.
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The detailed things are known only to people like us, but the Nawabshab PAC story came in the news sometime ago... there was mention of Zardari, PAF and Chinese.
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