Ex-navy chief:Op Parakram was mistake

[HAIDER]

“Operation Parakram” in 2001 was the “most punishing mistake” for the armed forces, former Navy Chief Admiral Sushil Kumar said on Friday, maintaining the government then lacked any political aim or objective for deploying the army along the Indo-Pakistan border.
“There was no aim or military objective for the Operation Parakram... I don’t mind admitting that Operation Parakram was the most punishing mistake for the Indian Armed Forces,” Mr Kumar said here.
“When the Parliament strike took place, in the (CCS) board room it was super charged atmosphere, as you are aware in the CCS board room, the three service chiefs sit opposite the Cabinet. In the end, PM (Atal Behari) Vajpayee turned to me and said aap khush nahi lag rahe hain Admiral Sahab (You don’t seem to be happy). I said I beg your pardon, Sir, can you give us what is your political aim, we need to derive a military aim from it. That is the whole principle of war. What is the aim, you need an aim and military objective...”
Ex-navy chief:Op Parakram was mistake | Deccan Chronicle

 

[Bhairava]

Lucky as it may seem, though they did/may not have an objective at the start, the WOT made sure many of our demand were met as the standoff progressed albeit for very different reasons.

But then why complain as long as your demands are met ?

 

[raavan]

yeah, that operation was a total waste of resources for us.

 

[Bhairava]

yeah, that operation was a total waste of resources for us.

No it was not.

Hint :- the Kashmiri insurgency which peaked in 2001 suddenly lost steam after the op. was over and ever since the only place the jihadis found themselves in was at the wrong end of the bullet.

 

[raavan]

Lucky as it may seem, though they did/may not have an objective at the start, the WOT made sure many of our demand were met as the standoff progressed albeit for very different reasons.

But then why complain as long as your demands are met ?

None of our demands have ever been met.26/11 was again planned by pakistanis and i think they will continue doing it as a part of their strategy just like RAW does

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No it was not.

Hint :- the Kashmiri insurgency which peaked in 2001 suddenly lost steam after the op. was over and ever since the only place the jihadis found themselves in was at the wrong end of the bullet.

Can u back that by any kind of statistic coz I always though Kashmir insurgency slowed down post 2006ish

 

[Bhairava]

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None of our demands have ever been met..........

Publicly, if I may say so.

Otherwise i dont see a reason why Mushy had to shut the jihadi tap off and take the steam out of the kashmiri insurgency.

Now 26/11 was another entirely different episode - how do you expect pak to agree to your demands when your PM romances them everytime he gets a chance, drops any leverage he has in lieu of them etc ?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Ya i agree but it wasnt a waste of resource.

The army realised it needs to cutoff its deployment time.

There has been some change in strategy and what do you think resulted in cold start doctrine?

The defence forces also realised that surgical strikes in place of a long fleged war is the best option.

So the Army realised it was lacking somewhere and has corrected it....how canthis be a waste...besides the time on theborder was spent on large scale excercises

 

[Bhairava]

[/B]

Can u back that by any kind of statistic coz I always though Kashmir insurgency slowed down post 2006ish

As you can see the casulaties drop sharply and suddenly after 2001-2002 (Op.Parakram) due to the shutting down of the most of the terrorist camps in P0K by Musharaaf under intense American pressure who feared that India might cross the border.

You can also google about the US role in 2002 Standoff. http://www.unidir.org/pdf/articles/pdf-art2117.pdf

 

[AUz]

Bharti sena took somewhat 700+ casualties in that standoff,right? How many casualties Pakistan Army took in that standoff?

Anyways....Pakistani military didn't have F-16s (no spares/sanctioned),nuclear cruise missiles,Shaheen-II missiles (2,500+ Km),nuclear ALCMs such as Ra'ad,tactical weapons such as Nasr, BVR such as AIM-120Cs,JF-17 thunders and SD-10Bs, (many) Al-Khalid tanks and ROSE Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs (?) etc etc at that time.STILL Indian military was not able to launch its offensive on Pakistan.Today,Pakistani military is way,way more stronger/capable than it was in 2001/2.Any full-fledged war between India and Pakistan is becoming more and more unlikely with every passing year.

P.S before Indian trolls start crying...I must write that even today Indian military has advantage over its Pakistani counterpart but a full-fledged war is becoming unlikely.

Hope India and Pakistan resolve their issues on dialogue table and move on . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

[Secur]

Yeah ofcourse it was a mistake , The mobilization of millions of troops had no benefit whatsoever ... Pakistan once again proved that it can deter its 5 times larger neighbor and neutralized the overwhelming conventional advantage that India enjoyed ... Being a nuclear power is useful after all isn't it ? India lost more than 700+ troops without Pakistan firing a single bullet


Op Parakram claimed 798 soldiers
Shockingly, without going to war, 798 soldiers have been killed during Operation Parakram.

"During Operation Parakram up to July 2003, a total number of 798 Army personnel suffered fatal casualties," said Defence Minister George Fernandes in Lok Sabha on Thursday.
Op Parakram claimed 798 soldiers - Times Of India

 

[Infinity]

“Operation Parakram” in 2001 was the “most punishing mistake” for the armed forces, former Navy Chief Admiral Sushil Kumar said on Friday, maintaining the government then lacked any political aim or objective for deploying the army along the Indo-Pakistan border.
“There was no aim or military objective for the Operation Parakram... I don’t mind admitting that Operation Parakram was the most punishing mistake for the Indian Armed Forces,” Mr Kumar said here.
“When the Parliament strike took place, in the (CCS) board room it was super charged atmosphere, as you are aware in the CCS board room, the three service chiefs sit opposite the Cabinet. In the end, PM (Atal Behari) Vajpayee turned to me and said aap khush nahi lag rahe hain Admiral Sahab (You don’t seem to be happy). I said I beg your pardon, Sir, can you give us what is your political aim, we need to derive a military aim from it. That is the whole principle of war. What is the aim, you need an aim and military objective...”
Ex-navy chief:Op Parakram was mistake | Deccan Chronicle

I think Same of then BJP led government.......They didn't knew what to do........Let it be Parakram or Indian air lines Plane hijack........they didn't knew how to deal........

 

[somebozo]

Thats one dumb of a prime minister...either he was not too sure..which weakens the India case and makes it an uncalled aggressor..or it is the blessings of democracy that most incompetent make it to the top! Call it world largest democracy or world largest embarrassment, I choose the later!

 

[Bhairava]

I think Same of then BJP led government.......They didn't knew what to do........Let it be Parakram or Indian air lines Plane hijack........they didn't knew how to deal........

What a naive simplistic view, typical of those who cant reason for themselves and go by propaganda.

Op.Parakram was never a failure nor a waste of resources.

it is clear from the tone of the Admiral that they considered the Govt's not going to war especially after the killings of families of Army was due to a lack of objective. But it is clear to those who can separate chaff from grain that it was not a failure and it broke the back of militancy in J&K. But then its BJP right ? Lets bash them. Its so hip and cool.

Kandahar hijack - no sukhois, no C-130s, no aerial refuellers, no international support, no overflight over iran and Pakistan..in short nothing ccould have been done. As simple as that.

 

[raavan]

As you can see the casulaties drop sharply and suddenly after 2001-2002 (Op.Parakram) due to the shutting down of the most of the terrorist camps in P0K by Musharaaf under intense American pressure who feared that India might cross the border.

You can also google about the US role in 2002 Standoff. http://www.unidir.org/pdf/articles/pdf-art2117.pdf

Good stuff.........

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Thats one dumb of a prime minister...either he was not too sure..which weakens the India case and makes it an uncalled aggressor..or it is the blessings of democracy that most incompetent make it to the top! Call it world largest democracy or world largest embarrassment, I choose the later!

totally agree with u. 1971 and kargil worlds largest emabarrasment for u. good choice

 

[divya]

Bharti sena took somewhat 500+ casualties in that standoff,right? How many casualties Pakistan Army took in that standoff?

Anyways....Pakistani military didn't have F-16s (no spares/sanctioned),nuclear cruise missiles,Shaheen-II missiles (2,500+ Km),nuclear ALCMs such as Ra'ad,tactical weapons such as Nasr, BVR such as AIM-120Cs,JF-17 thunders and SD-10Bs, (many) Al-Khalid tanks and ROSE Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs (?) etc etc at that time.STILL Indian military was not able to launch its offensive on Pakistan.Today,Pakistani military is way,way more stronger/capable than it was in 2001/2.Any full-fledged war between India and Pakistan is becoming more and more unlikely with every passing year.

P.S before Indian trolls start crying...I must write that even today Indian military has advantage over its Pakistani counterpart but a full-fledged war is becoming unlikely.

Hope India and Pakistan resolve their issues on dialogue table and move on . . . . . . . . . . . . .

whatever makes you happy but do remember that when they actually do cross the border the other side either ends up defending their own land or ends up splitting into two. ok now continue with your "i am all powerful" tarana