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Ex-navy chief:Op Parakram was mistake

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Indian mobilization was aimed as much as at US and as at pakistan. Even then some of the results of coercive diplomacy are not so quite evident.

I fail to understand how, coercive diplomacy works if one side has overwhelming military muscle over the other side. Clearly that is not the case in the subcontinent, that is why even after trying to flex military and diplomatic muscle several times, India has failed to change GOP's position.

1. Musharraf suddenly 'understood' Indian position.

Musharraf is a military man first and a politician second. Op Parakram emboldened PA's General Staff and Musharraf became convinced after this operation that PA was in a much better state to fight India. Mobilization of divisions from as far away as Balochistan and KP speaks volumes of the preparedness of PA and Musharraf personally took credit for that as he worked very hard to correct the deficiencies in PA, especially when it came to mobilization.

2. US tilt towards India, and at least the congress

That was something that was bound to happen. Pakistan and US interests were never the same and the US needed to promote a power that will form a counter weight to China.

3. Nobody seems to utter K word now a days, not to hurt indian 'feelings', as if pakistanis have no 'feelings'

Nobody ever did as the world was much more busier with their own interests and Kashmir has no oil so the world couldnt care less what happens there. Also the reason why insurgency in Kashmir died down as relations between both Pakistan and India improved after 2004, Pakistan used its leverage and put a tight seal on the insurgency. Also, many of the veteran Jihadis left for Afghanistan as to them the US was a bigger enemy as compared to India.

4. The world in general(US, the primary defence supplier of pakistan in particular) is more open to unilateral war/strike from India than ever before.

I have no idea where did you come up with this analogy. The world and primarily the US are sh** scared of a strike from India, the amount of diplomatic effort that was put by the world and especially the US is a testimony to that. Dont for a second think that the world will take sides in a military duel between India and Pakistan, the world and especially the US will demand an end to all military hostility as the stakes are too high.

I would argue not going to war was the right thing to do. What would it have achieved that we did not achieve. Was stopping the terror in Kashmir a coincidence? Or was it bargained? Would we have achieved that with a war?

The Indian public wanted vengeance, they wanted blood for blood and this is exactly what the IA was ordered to do. The biggest mistake the Indian public and the politicians made was that they overestimated there power and underestimated the power of there enemy. At the time there was no objective, the only objective was to launch a punitive strike on PA to humiliate it and degrade it in front of the Indian public.

Dont make the mistake to think that Op Parakram had anything to do with the insurgency weakening in Kashmir. The primary cause for insurgency weakening in Kashmir was due to the fact that many veteran Jihadi fighters whom were the leaders left to Afghanistan to fight on the US as they believed that the US was the bigger threat. As relations improved between both India and Pakistan, Musharraf used his leverage and completely put a lid on the insurgency.
 
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Dont make the mistake to think that Op Parakram had anything to do with the insurgency weakening in Kashmir. The primary cause for insurgency weakening in Kashmir was due to the fact that many veteran Jihadi fighters whom were the leaders left to Afghanistan to fight on the US as they believed that the US was the bigger threat. As relations improved between both India and Pakistan, Musharraf used his leverage and completely put a lid on the insurgency.

Actually this operation did play its part....Pakistan for forced primarily by US because India was not ready to pull the army back...after all it was a long mobilization....There was no way PA could concentrate at all on her western border under such circumstances....So saying operation parakram had no role on Kashmir insurgency would not be correct...

Having said that even with that i strongly feel this operation was nothing but a failure....As far as slow vs fast mobilization is concerned then you are right that we took too long to mobilize but still there are many accounts that tell us that we had advantage there....In fact there were gaps in PA defenses and certain areas were thinly guarded as compared to IA.....However since there was no clear objective nothing fructify....Anyways should-would-could certainly doesn't matter....
 
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This is a joke right? Parakram was the reason how we got to know the loopholes in our force mobilization tactics. It was costly but it gave birth to Cold Start. Sometimes research experiments have to be a bit expensive for better preparedness.

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How to accomplish this impossible task of isolating Pakistan ? :rofl:
Continue trolling and hallucinating :P

Show me the figures between you two, boy. Figures is what counts; words anybody can talk and frame.
 
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This is a joke right? Parakram was the reason how we got to know the loopholes in our force mobilization tactics. It was costly but it gave birth to Cold Start. Sometimes research experiments have to be a bit expensive for better preparedness.

Thatis the after effect of the operation...The point is simple - there are lot of learnings in failure but that does not make the failure a success...
 
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"Strengths" after a certain level of acquirability, becomes a weight full cohesive factor after which the process of improvements & maintaination begins & thus coupled up with int'/regional diplomacy it then transforms itself as a decisive factor which is called recognition & realization ,thus eliminating the very factor of conventional disparity as it becomes irrelevant perfect examples are their for e.g. : besides having conventional superiority over china that the united states have it still dose not makes much of a considering the fact. Because china has acquired a certain amount of "strengths" both militarily,economically & diplomatically which has eliminated the need for assessment for as far as where numbers & strengths' are corncerned, the case of India & Pakistan is infect exactly more or less the same, thus neither thus india nor thus pakistan have any whatsoever advantage over each other, emotions & sentiments don't change geopolitical realities period. So as far as the "mood of the people" theme goes ( for both indians & pakistanis) are concerns it doesn't matter, sorry but dear it's a cold cold world out here ....so this is as far as it can go. The truth of the matter is all said & done. Now there can be no limited or unlimited war, no cold or hot doctrine & if at all there is, then yes there can only be a "Mutually Assured Destruction" ("MAD") nothing less nothing more, so the only way forward is peace & negotiations.

regards
 
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Parakram failure shows that time has gone when u put more troops in number to get advantage.
Failure of Cold start shows Time has gone when you violates International border on multiple point.
whenever you tried, you found us ready to answer.:cool:
So, What else is cooking in there?:smokin:
 
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