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Yep, but its no bed of roses in "developed" world either....when I lived in more sketchy part of town earlier, there was a street walker lady making her rounds on regular basis....she often stopped to get a light or bum a cigarette from housemate buddy and I when we are out in front of the house chilling....and thats how over time we got to know her situation a bit, her drug addiction and just spiral into all of it after thinking it would be temporary phase to get some quick cash....back when she was just young and had a whole life in front of her.

Deep down she still had goodness/moral upbringing in her etc, it just sunk deeper and deeper and she couldn't get out of all the other stuff around it that was covering and hiding her once true self... and I could tell her self-esteem is completely gone too so she end up being a driftwood in society...stuck there in that rut, pushed around only by those outside, because everything is hollow inside...her own daughter taken away from her, clients beating her up and abusing her, worse ones stalking and threatening her, police not caring one bit about her, family long rejected her and disowned and forgot her...and those drugs that demanded from her every second of every day, the only thing that kept her going, but in return controlled her like she was complete slave....

She said if she can turn back time, she would tell her younger-self, no its not worth it at all, the way things turn out....just see for yourself....but of course cannot do that, that young girl is long gone....and all there is now is this scarred broken lady.

Suffice to say eventually we never saw her again...and only a year or so later the cops found her body out in the woods...unable to tell if she did that to herself, or someone else did....just one paragraph in the local paper about it, but I knew immediately it was her and I did say a prayer for her, she did ask that of us previously.

Just one more life that got wasted....but we got kids here talking boldly about "Free choice" trumping everything....because society should be "easy" and the individual choice (as fickle and isolated it can be made) paramount... but have they genuinely met or talked to even one that has gone through all the consequences ...I do wonder...

Buddy and I know much better thankfully, we choose to remember the not lucky ones like her ...and not be like the so many naive people or the political scum who choose to delude themselves and others about what this "oldest profession" often is. So of course it will only be lot worse in "developing" world.



Frankly it is made with intention of all others watching this conversation. Lot of people are set into their ways...but I do not ultimately judge them (only almighty can do that), I just show them why I think different to them...this way it helps all involved, esp in this climate of left and right or whichever other sides not even talking to each other increasingly (unless to hurl insults etc).

The only way to decisively "beat" talk, is more talk....my intention is to provide those interested (whether they agree or disagree) in such topics with useful ideas, concepts and perspectives they might otherwise not have gotten....whether they change/alter their stance is left up to them. It is my tribute to those that also did (and continue to do) the same for me...I do owe it to them to pass this on to as much that will hear me (when gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be, pass on what you have learned... etc). It may surprise I was not always holding (esp to the extent) the positions I hold today ...I know people are fundamentally capable of change having done so myself...and I do know I can do a lot better still, no one is perfect, to be human is to be imperfect after all.... often the worst of me has gotten the better of me right here.

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Really excellent post.
 
Yep, but its no bed of roses in "developed" world either....when I lived in more sketchy part of town earlier, there was a street walker lady making her rounds on regular basis....she often stopped to get a light or bum a cigarette from housemate buddy and I when we are out in front of the house chilling....and thats how over time we got to know her situation a bit, her drug addiction and just spiral into all of it after thinking it would be temporary phase to get some quick cash....back when she was just young and had a whole life in front of her.

Deep down she still had goodness/moral upbringing in her etc, it just sunk deeper and deeper and she couldn't get out of all the other stuff around it that was covering and hiding her once true self... and I could tell her self-esteem is completely gone too so she end up being a driftwood in society...stuck there in that rut, pushed around only by those outside, because everything is hollow inside...her own daughter taken away from her, clients beating her up and abusing her, worse ones stalking and threatening her, police not caring one bit about her, family long rejected her and disowned and forgot her...and those drugs that demanded from her every second of every day, the only thing that kept her going, but in return controlled her like she was complete slave....

She said if she can turn back time, she would tell her younger-self, no its not worth it at all, the way things turn out....just see for yourself....but of course cannot do that, that young girl is long gone....and all there is now is this scarred broken lady.

Suffice to say eventually we never saw her again...and only a year or so later the cops found her body out in the woods...unable to tell if she did that to herself, or someone else did....just one paragraph in the local paper about it, but I knew immediately it was her and I did say a prayer for her, she did ask that of us previously.

Just one more life that got wasted....but we got kids here talking boldly about "Free choice" trumping everything....because society should be "easy" and the individual choice (as fickle and isolated it can be made) paramount... but have they genuinely met or talked to even one that has gone through all the consequences ...I do wonder...

Buddy and I know much better thankfully, we choose to remember the not lucky ones like her ...and not be like the so many naive people or the political scum who choose to delude themselves and others about what this "oldest profession" often is. So of course it will only be lot worse in "developing" world.



Frankly it is made with intention of all others watching this conversation. Lot of people are set into their ways...but I do not ultimately judge them (only almighty can do that), I just show them why I think different to them...this way it helps all involved, esp in this climate of left and right or whichever other sides not even talking to each other increasingly (unless to hurl insults etc).

The only way to decisively "beat" talk, is more talk....my intention is to provide those interested (whether they agree or disagree) in such topics with useful ideas, concepts and perspectives they might otherwise not have gotten....whether they change/alter their stance is left up to them. It is my tribute to those that also did (and continue to do) the same for me...I do owe it to them to pass this on to as much that will hear me (when gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be, pass on what you have learned... etc). It may surprise I was not always holding (esp to the extent) the positions I hold today ...I know people are fundamentally capable of change having done so myself...and I do know I can do a lot better still, no one is perfect, to be human is to be imperfect after all.... often the worst of me has gotten the better of me right here.

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Most prostitutes in the West come from homes without a father. Many of them grow up with single mothers who's many boyfriend's and husband's sexually abuse these girls in their adolescent years.
 
Most prostitutes in the West come from homes without a father. Many of them grow up with single mothers who's many boyfriend's and husband's sexually abuse these girls in their adolescent years.

Its sad but true...many people simply choose to dust away the uncomfortable inherent state of this...and just rush to analyse people the same way they did for themselves about something completely different.....Free choice is rarely truly free just like common sense is not really too common.
 
Its sad but true...many people simply choose to dust away the uncomfortable inherent state of this...and just rush to analyse people the same way they did for themselves about something completely different.....Free choice is rarely truly free just like common sense is not really too common.
Well said my friend.
 
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If only Khaleda zia and her son Tareq chora wouldn't cross every limit, bloody bastard BAL would never come to power.
But why you are over confident? If Bengali can elect BAL after BAKSHAL then in future they also can elect BNP again.
Bengali elected BAL not Mujib....if BNP goes through a leadership change and can actually get good sincere leaders, then they will surely return in power. And I might even support BNP if they change their ledership.

From the beginning mullahs ( peoples like me ) are trying to say that ,if women do prostitution, they do it only because they have no other option left in order to get food to eat.
Did, I anywhere imply that prostitutes won't be allowed to quit, if they feel like it?
 
Did, I anywhere imply that prostitutes won't be allowed to quit, if they feel like it?
Was the argument about it? My argument is about if prostitution is a moral and equal job with your job or not.
It looks sliping became your nature.
Shows how well you are aware of public sentiment.
Firstly my point was very correct . Just ask your BAL where make it legal outside restricted areas, then see the results.
If it's in the restricted area then I have no problem although I don't support it (any types of prostitution, and I want them having a good job if govt and society can provide).

That legalization was about those prostitution that they took because they were compelled to take not willing.
I already answered it to @Ashik Mahmud .
But you quoted it again because you have no other way to push your garbage "their choice of whoring". If you really wanted to say somethung fruitful, then effectively answer the posts of @Nilgiri, as has posted some excellent point.
You ignored my real question and pushing something else, but I am not surprised, it's the pseudo seculars standard.

In Bangladesh smoking has never been banned, still we don't smoke it infront our elders. It's not our choice but manner that peoples like you don't have and don't value too.
In BD wine is also not prohibited but not allowed in everywhere that you guys want.
So of I say that " if BD govt make it legal", does that mean that I am asking for prostitution ban from restricted areas?
That was made legal because of the prostitutes who were compelled to do this and now if they will quite the will not accepted by society easily and also they have no other way.
But the legalisation in 2000 was not to encourage to whoring women from good families to entertain you .

Just listen, if your bastard BAL already didn't change the country to Chhatra League chetona thug minded ( that's impossible, let it be written) , then wine selling everywhere won't be allowed, so forget about your BS of willing prostitution in everywhere as a holy fuc.king moral job .
So before pushing words, consider the heck situation.
And also your Awami bastard League always tortured BD folks whenever they needed in order to shut their mouth and they paid price at past.
So if they strongly oppress peoples, that doesn't mean that peoples are dancing with chetona bastards. Let military withdraw their support , BAL won't survive a single night .
BAL isn't in power because of public, the reason is different.
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Bengali elected BAL not Mujib
Bengali never elect a team but always elect leaders.
 
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You ought to bother to think about the long term effect on your character/mental state as a person (again a solid reading on the subject material from psychologists on the subject ought to be mandatory before you go jump into the ocean with little thought)
That's the responsibility of the person who makes the choice. You suffer because of your bad choices. If I were a person without any income source even I would consider whoring myself out.
past the whole risk of venereal diseases, exposure to more rapists/stalkers/creeps, risk of unwanted pregnancy (and proclivity to then kill the baby in the womb for personal convenience) and a bunch of other abhorrent things.
Risk exist in every job.....for me staring at computer screen for hours at work has its own risk. There are moments when I temporarily go blind for a few seconds and then regain my vision. A lot of jobs are stressful....a rickshaw puller has on average a lower life expectancy than general public. So, what a rickshaw puller is doing to keep his family going is wrong too?

What is better? Being born despite not being wanted? Or not being born at all? You tell me.
Very few women, esp in developing world go into sex trade with requisite knowledge (and thus responsibility) in these subjects. The defacto coercion question thus arises big time. Very few people are essentially adequately informed and versed in the subject before they make life-altering decisions on it.
They need to be well informed...and as I said, once you're in it it's not like you are trapped forever. You can(at least should be able to) quit.
The dams and fences that exist in culture/society (things like family, religion, morality, virtue....over the natural state of human sin/degradation/entropy) did not come out of thin air for a reason.
Morality today is quite different from what it was a thousand years ago...and the rise of irreligious people are not coming out of this air either. There are more atheist today compared to any time in history.
Slavery was gradually accepted by people (with little to no previous exposure to such before in innumerable instances) over the currents of history too in all manner of timeframes.
Slavery was accepted and supported by religions too.....rather we gradually started to realize that it was wrong and thus abolished it.
It is much more useful to talk about what is fundamentally good and useful for society and what isn't....not the society's current manifestation of emotional-populism trends (in whatever time frame be it a few years, decades, generation etc)....because that is a particularly terrible slippery slope if you read even one iota of history.
What is fundamentally good for the society? Kill the homo sexual? Shame the unmarried parents? We are a product of our time. What is fundamentally wrong with living and let others be?
I.e I do not propose the same punishment/enforcement for murder (direct imposing evil on others) like I do for prostitution, homosexuality
So, you propose some punishment for prostitution and homosexuality? Dude why you are in Canada instead of Afghanistan? Afghanistan has punishment for those things....it will be heaven for guys like you and @Centaur
wrong to convert clear evil-doing as "grey" or even "good" legislatively....as has been done with say baby-killing in the womb.
A fetus isn't exactly a baby....so if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, she is ought to give birth to the child despite not wanting it? You can't understand their situation...living in the comfort of your room without having the slightest idea of what they are going through, you claim their decision as evil....but well that's all you can do anyway. Call abortion as evil...but those who are adamant will find their way...or at least they will give their child for adoption upon giving birth or worse, neglect their child.
That's a terrible argument. Vice/sin/evil has always been there in the human psyche....and thus we should allow it to expand unfettered based on complete extreme individualism + short term satisfaction that takes both wisdom and reason prisoner - and try to pose it as "natural" and "good"?
What I am saying is, you have to live with it. You have your own greed, lust and other things...yet you live with it. You have to live with things like prostitution as well...because I can't see any govt or even warlord successfully baning prostitution....you can pass a law but enforcing it is a different thing entirely.
Again terrible argument. By same logic you can say....why ban murder? It happens at a certain rate in society anyway (even when you have it banned), just legalise it. Or if you want to extend to "personal - voluntary" consumption only, are you in favour of legalising the hardest drugs out there (cocaine, heroin etc) and let society make its "free guided/free market" choice on that too?
I have explained it....murder is killing someone against his/her will....that's why there should be laws to punish harshly those commit or help to commit murder....drugs...you are doing to your self...if you feel good being high...not my problem.
Tell me if someone wants to live a life completely naked in public (his/her free choice after all right?)...what right does the public have to enforce the norms of clothing back on that person? So he/she should just be allowed to streak everywhere, displaying everything openly to everyone (who really should just look away if they don't like it given its their free choice to look right?)....and if there are children around....too bad!....just close their eyes if you dont like it.

You are born naked....tell me about jain gurus who stay naked...without bothering about surroundings...are they a threat to Indian society? Nudity is legal in Spain.....and it being legal doesn't mean everyone will be naked all the time...I as a kid have seen one or two naked(beggar or mental) in streets....don't think it had any terrible impact on me...
Then the next step will be to allow not just nudity but public masturbation will be fine too. I mean why not, its again free individual choice and society has no right to impose back on the individual right...when society should just mind its own business, since they are just all individuals too....preferably indoctrinated into materialism, anarchy and short term self-indulgence to the maximum extent possible and then some (because heck you shouldn't really stop anywhere, just keep going, its all about continuing the speed...just look at the "feminist" and "civil rights" movements now).
True....there are already parks for sex and orgy in public in places. These are great places. You find it wrong. I don't.
Sorry but no thanks....we are holding onto the remaining forts now and not giving them up....we have faith in having the last laugh you see....because we believe in eternal life (only natural given life is all we have experienced ourselves)....not a concept of assuming death is the finality and thus materialism and indulgence is the only purpose of living....if those can even be called that. You all can have a hindsight look at it all in your latter part of life (if you even get there) and realise what we are on about it then (or don't its fine too...delusion is powerful indeed)....the psychological study of atheists and anarchists in their later lives is quite intriguing and says a lot....they largely die miserable past the conscious delusion they may still cling on to.
I would take a miserable death over a miserable life any day. You are not holding onto anything. Marriage is becoming less important. People now understand that there is no point of keeping a marriage alive when they are not happy in it....do you want to take people's right away to file divorce? Afaik religions consider marriage an unbreakable bond. Yet there are more divorce today than anytime before. Even where things like homosexuality is illegal, it is being accepted by people.
Which children study medicine and anthropology? Those are things of study for early to mid adulthood.

But as children, yes parents should have dominion over their studies largely and generally (and that system improved upon by society by producing better role model parenthood)....any other argument (children know better, big govt knows better) is slippery slope for deferred responsibilities....given children are not mature minds....humans generally are not till they reach early to mid 20s.
I should have written "son/daughter" instead of children. Yes...a lot of parents pressure their sons/daughter to study things they don't have interested in. A friend of mine who wanted to study engineering was forced to study medicine by his parents. Are these things alright?
 
Dudewhy you are in Canada instead ofAfghanistan? Afghanistan haspunishment for those things....it will beheaven for guys like you and @Centaur
Hahaha, again such bullsh!t logic, similar to, """""if you don't support Awami League , then you are razakar , so go to Pakistan. If you say Bangladesh zindabad, you are Pakistani, because urdu is Pakistani language so you have no right to stay in Bangladesh and we fought against urdu to make our country free. """"
So according to them only boot licker chetona whores are Bangladeshi, and rest of us are either razakar or Pakistani citizen!

Such garbage logic became very common by chetona thugs in BD, they even have no sense that's not their utopian freedom, but completely opposite.
 
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That's the responsibility of the person who makes the choice. You suffer because of your bad choices. If I were a person without any income source even I would consider whoring myself out.

Again you are making the assumption that every prostitute was in a position of "final, only choice"...when really only very few were. In between should be all the requisite interventions that an ideal society offers...when you bypass this with an easy highway of full on individualist choice triumphs all, you simply erode and undermine social fabric.

Risk exist in every job.....for me staring at computer screen for hours at work has its own risk. There are moments when I temporarily go blind for a few seconds and then regain my vision. A lot of jobs are stressful....a rickshaw puller has on average a lower life expectancy than general public. So, what a rickshaw puller is doing to keep his family going is wrong too?

The point is informing people of those risks....bypassing this and saying its absolute free choice, do as you will with no adequate mitigation from the society/law/morals/family...is precisely why its a wretched situation regarding prostitutes in the developing world (they are captured and forced to varying degrees @Zibago points out) and not much better in developed world either (as @Desert Fox pointed out is often the cause to add to my own story of talking with one). Tell me have you actually every talked to any sex workers yourself in both Europe and Bangladesh? Or everything is spoonfed to you on the issue in some way?

What is better? Being born despite not being wanted? Or not being born at all? You tell me.

Most contraception is fine. Killing a baby (pre or post birth) isn't.

They need to be well informed...and as I said, once you're in it it's not like you are trapped forever. You can(at least should be able to) quit.

As long as they are not "well informed" (and very few in the developed world are either), what do you propose? Just say ok let them be uninformed and let consequences happen to the vast majority of them.

I'd like to see you try apply that with driving. Its fine if you are "uninformed", just go out and drive the car...learn that way! Or is it better to ban driving for those that are "uninformed" about it?

Morality today is quite different from what it was a thousand years ago...and the rise of irreligious people are not coming out of this air either. There are more atheist today compared to any time in history.

According to who? This is an unfounded argument made by Atheists themselves (our "rise" = natural = new = correct = moral) . There has always been a prevalence in humankind for Atheism and its larger world of A - B materialism, whether they were nominally part of a larger socio-religious body or not....who exactly was surveying this in any accuracy over time (since you Atheists esp do not believe in any power that can do just that to the detail/resolution needed governing peoples minds and hearts)? Saying people are increasingly "leaving" "pushed" out because of religion or perceived inadequate moral standards is quite ludicrous when you have zero data to base it upon.

The deterioration of society over time is largely due to the human ego thinking truth lies within the fickle individual self (esp emotion)...and deluded itself to the level saying imperfection is actually perfection. This process has existed since time immemorial.

Religion itself has been perverted away from its essence (when our conscious was still new, our spirits bold, our egos still weak) in pretty much every case by this....yet you hold it up as some monolithic edifice that is being righteously rebelled against. Yes you, a person that has clearly not read one word of say even Plato and Aristotle yet trying to give me your copy-paste modernist take on a millenia old phenomenon long discussed by some of the greatest humans that walked the earth. Sorry I'll take a pass.

Slavery was accepted and supported by religions too.....rather we gradually started to realize that it was wrong and thus abolished it.

Again you miss the point. It increased out of the blue in many instances simply by the populist feelings of a time period. Results of populist feelings (and how they come about and wax and wane) are not an argument for moral standards. You either get that or you don't and you clearly don't....so waste of time to continue on it.

What is fundamentally good for the society? Kill the homo sexual? Shame the unmarried parents? We are a product of our time. What is fundamentally wrong with living and let others be?

Where did I say find (each and every) and kill the homo? Committing (as society) to finding each and every sin and having death for every sin is a sin in itself, because you make no distinction for the level of sin....and in fact you impose a human ego when you take away (from a proposed perfect higher authority/moral-giver) that which cannot be seen/analysed by humans....i.e we must only punish with sound logic and argument accessible to us.

In fact it is for this reason I do not suggest death for any sin (esp in an ideal society)....but society must debate how to punish those that do wrong and morally reprehensible things (and society exists at many levels past the state too) and what scale (of enforcement and punishment is most appropriate)....not (if it wants to sustain and prosper) out of the blue change what is wrong to being right with no regard of any basic moral framework other than individual "make everything Easy + materialist + indulgent" feelz....ignoring its much larger body of existence and its own inherited intuition from that.

Again no point continuing this tangent either. Fire and water difference here...

So, you propose some punishment for prostitution and homosexuality? Dude why you are in Canada instead of Afghanistan? Afghanistan has punishment for those things....it will be heaven for guys like you and @Centaur

Nice far-leftie strawman. Precisely why Trump won may I add (and hillariously exposed the hypocritical non-follow through of self-strawmen arguments the lefties made about leaving the US if Trump won) ...and also precisely why many more of him around the world coming up (given this predilection for strawman hypocrisy by the left, stupidly adding much transient counterforce against them, alienating and polarising even neutrals.... when natural decline will give them everything they want long term anyway). I will enjoy this all very immensely.....this is the catch 22 for the leftie, they want everything at every level (that their feelz dictate) within their lifetime (because nothing after)....but the desperation of bringing that about leads to the reverse force happening because way more people still have a basic essence left on what makes us human. @Desert Fox @Psychic

A fetus isn't exactly a baby....so if a woman is raped and gets pregnant, she is ought to give birth to the child despite not wanting it?

OK so what level? Should she be allowed to kill the fetus/baby a day or two before its born? Lets find where your line is first....before I sewer your "argument" even more.

You can't understand their situation...living in the comfort of your room without having the slightest idea of what they are going through, you claim their decision as evil....but well that's all you can do anyway.

Yes coming from the Trotskyist (living in his comfort but hypocritically labels others by assuming the same for them) who I doubt had any serious conversation with a prostitute in the first place (yet loudly triumphs complete "free choice" as panacea or even solution for the issue)....it says so much when you assume I haven't talked to women who have went through the "choice" of having an abortion, when you assume I have not read the studies of psychology of the women that allow a "doctor" to kill their unborn baby (spinal nervous system be damned even)...increasingly for convenience (rather than rape etc that form less than 1% of abortions which at least we can have a serious argument about)....and assume that I have not studied where the arguments for mass-scale abortion first came from (heres a hint: eugenics, black people, KKK party + parallels worldwide).....among the myriad other assumptions YOU make in YOUR comfort. Such a person so brazenly attempting to apply what he clearly is to others in such negative fashion is hypocritical, ironic and delusional....hard to strike all those 3 at once...good job leftie.

You see lefties assume so much and then use those assumptions as their logic....and build a flimsy pyramid on it all the time....and then get super triggered when it collapses (because it always does in their timeframe given their worship of the lifetime only +materialism only). It comes right out of the same thing Karl Marx had when he raped and impregnated his servant girl and kicked her out right after....and then preached that he cares about the same oppressed people. Normal folk inherently can grasp these double standards.....too bad they decline over time and the leftie-zombies multiply....but thats fine too in the end you see, leftie-zombies suck at fighting when it comes to that....cycles are never kind to them at any timeframe....and they take it way more badly because this life is all they believe in.

Call abortion as evil...but those who are adamant will find their way...or at least they will give their child for adoption upon giving birth or worse, neglect their child.

Yes people who are adamant will find way to murder other human beings. And?

"Give their child up for adoption or worse neglect the child"......so do you also propose we murder all poor people (at some threshold line of income/suffering/neglect you draw, just like I am waiting for you to draw one for the unborn baby)....because they are corollaries of this concept for larger society? Or is there something to life anyway (say having it in first place than not having it because of another's decision) that should be inviolable as the moral standard i.e "Thou shalt not kill"?

Drawing a line in first place for when one side initiated murder is fine is a major slippery slope...because it can (and has) been applied past wherever you choose to apply it first on some individual "comfort + life should be easy" feeling you have.

I have explained it....murder is killing someone against his/her will....that's why there should be laws to punish harshly those commit or help to commit murder....drugs...you are doing to your self...if you feel good being high...not my problem.

You didn't explain shit till you explain to people that know people that were murdered by those high on drugs/alcohol etc.

Again drugs and getting high wouldn't be so much of a problem IF the effects are fully internalised (as you seem to assume time and again)....heck even caffeine is a mild stimulant....sugar is addictive and damaging too. I'm talking about the hardcore drugs that have clear externalities, as extreme as murder, 1000 times increase in likelihood of suicide (or convincing others to do such) and tons of other disturbing crap "you in your room" seem to have no idea about or have completely deluded yourself about....I don't care which.

If anything with such massive negative externality should be allowed on demand harnessing instant free and fickle choice....you are free to show you are not a hypocrite and live among such a pure free choice society....lets see how long you are able to personally tolerate living inside or near to the "needle banks"/"drug zones" in Toronto and Vancouver @Jlaw Maybe Sweden has them too? So put up...or accept you simply preach past that gated compound (from the reality) of yours.

You are born naked....tell me about jain gurus who stay naked...without bothering about surroundings...are they a threat to Indian society? Nudity is legal in Spain.....and it being legal doesn't mean everyone will be naked all the time...I as a kid have seen one or two naked(beggar or mental) in streets....don't think it had any terrible impact on me...

Jain gurus stay in their ashrams (removed from society, similar to nude beaches and communities)...they dont walk around in the middle of a conventional town/city like that...they realise the social norms more than you do.

Again making more strawmen here is not productive....I am asking you clearly, should conventional society be allowed to impose norms regarding nudity, public masturbation and sex or not?

I am not talking about kids going naked in some slum or people deciding to do it only "sometimes". I am asking you is public indecency standards ok to have or not? - they essentially are society imposing itself on people that would otherwise streak among full public view (i.e people that dont want any of that)....hence why such people form their own limited communities and such AWAY from such places if they want that as the norm.

But you said that this imposition by society should never happen anywhere, anytime for anyone (and then you still draw lines and say "DONT" and "DO" when it suits you anyway, doing the exact same thing you criticize others for doing...and that is frankly laughable).

Seriously you are so below the surface of consistency you have developed deep sea gills...and that is your life now.....but you want to convince others you are a surface dweller, that is futile.

True....there are already parks for sex and orgy in public in places. These are great places. You find it wrong. I don't.

But these are defined areas. I'm talking about in general, what right does general society to impose in the general areas the norms and customs? Its imposing on your right to be nude, fornicate etc in public as much as the individual may want to.

If there are limits and controls to be had there, you cannot suddenly say your dial level of it is inherently superior to another. Either you are for controls and limits, or you are for zero of them. Which is it.

I would take a miserable death over a miserable life any day.

Again thats your personal opinion. Trying to expand it as some defacto standard for society because its just "easier" that way is extremely flawed.

Marriage is becoming less important. People now understand that there is no point of keeping a marriage alive when they are not happy in it

People have become overall higher ego and weaker in every other regard over time....its not really surprising.

.do you want to take people's right away to file divorce?

Why would I be? Allowing for divorce separates the wheat from the chaff....it is a good indicator regarding the decline of society, why should it be artificially repressed?

Again the moral standard should be governing what is done within a marriage and promoting it as the ideal union for humans in society. Why does the starting/ending of marriage in society enter the topic? Lot of things decline as humankind declines in worth overall. Those that still believe in a higher concept and ideal will band together and coalesce and defend and argue and fight if needed...is there something wrong with that?

Afaik religions consider marriage an unbreakable bond. Yet there are more divorce today than anytime before. Even where things like homosexuality is illegal, it is being accepted by people.

So? Again I have answered that. If you have no loyalties to any consistent position, but the position should be just dictated at any time by a) what is "increasing" in society b) what the level in society regarding some issue is in first place ....you are basically going to be controlled forever (and the examples of history are many) and I have limited interest in engaging with such people beyond that. Bedrock foundations are the stone and mortar of civilisations just like gravity is that for the Stars that forged the non-hydrogen atoms in first place....but even Stars have their lifetime because of entropy.....but it does not mean the Star was devoid of a higher purpose than the proton soup from which it was formed from.

I should have written "son/daughter" instead of children. Yes...a lot of parents pressure their sons/daughter to study things they don't have interested in. A friend of mine who wanted to study engineering was forced to study medicine by his parents. Are these things alright?

That is more interplay. Is the friend paying his own way or his parents paying for it? If the parents are providing the funding, they ought to have a strong say in it. If not (and friend is an adult etc), the friend should have a full say on it (i.e he takes a loan or whatever and pays that back himself). If he feels so strongly on it, the latter option was always there right? If there's parent easy street (funding, room, board etc), they get to set what the field of study is, its their money they are investing after all. Thus there is only so much coercion envelope a parent can have to begin with (depending on the individuals personality and character etc) when you finish mandatory schooling stage....its not really pure force vs pure choice ever.
 
Again you are making the assumption that every prostitute was in a position of "final, only choice"...when really only very few were. In between should be all the requisite interventions that an ideal society offers...when you bypass this with an easy highway of full on individualist choice triumphs all, you simply erode and undermine social fabric.



The point is informing people of those risks....bypassing this and saying its absolute free choice, do as you will with no adequate mitigation from the society/law/morals/family...is precisely why its a wretched situation regarding prostitutes in the developing world (they are captured and forced to varying degrees @Zibago points out) and not much better in developed world either (as @Desert Fox pointed out is often the cause to add to my own story of talking with one). Tell me have you actually every talked to any sex workers yourself in both Europe and Bangladesh? Or everything is spoonfed to you on the issue in some way?



Most contraception is fine. Killing a baby (pre or post birth) isn't.



As long as they are not "well informed" (and very few in the developed world are either), what do you propose? Just say ok let them be uninformed and let consequences happen to the vast majority of them.

I'd like to see you try apply that with driving. Its fine if you are "uninformed", just go out and drive the car...learn that way! Or is it better to ban driving for those that are "uninformed" about it?



According to who? This is an unfounded argument made by Atheists themselves (our "rise" = natural = new = correct = moral) . There has always been a prevalence in humankind for Atheism and its larger world of A - B materialism, whether they were nominally part of a larger socio-religious body or not....who exactly was surveying this in any accuracy over time (since you Atheists esp do not believe in any power that can do just that to the detail/resolution needed governing peoples minds and hearts)? Saying people are increasingly "leaving" "pushed" out because of religion or perceived inadequate moral standards is quite ludicrous when you have zero data to base it upon.

The deterioration of society over time is largely due to the human ego thinking truth lies within the fickle individual self (esp emotion)...and deluded itself to the level saying imperfection is actually perfection. This process has existed since time immemorial.

Religion itself has been perverted away from its essence (when our conscious was still new, our spirits bold, our egos still weak) in pretty much every case by this....yet you hold it up as some monolithic edifice that is being righteously rebelled against. Yes you, a person that has clearly not read one word of say even Plato and Aristotle yet trying to give me your copy-paste modernist take on a millenia old phenomenon long discussed by some of the greatest humans that walked the earth. Sorry I'll take a pass.



Again you miss the point. It increased out of the blue in many instances simply by the populist feelings of a time period. Results of populist feelings (and how they come about and wax and wane) are not an argument for moral standards. You either get that or you don't and you clearly don't....so waste of time to continue on it.



Where did I say find (each and every) and kill the homo? Committing (as society) to finding each and every sin and having death for every sin is a sin in itself, because you make no distinction for the level of sin....and in fact you impose a human ego when you take away (from a proposed perfect higher authority/moral-giver) that which cannot be seen/analysed by humans....i.e we must only punish with sound logic and argument accessible to us.

In fact it is for this reason I do not suggest death for any sin (esp in an ideal society)....but society must debate how to punish those that do wrong and morally reprehensible things (and society exists at many levels past the state too) and what scale (of enforcement and punishment is most appropriate)....not (if it wants to sustain and prosper) out of the blue change what is wrong to being right with no regard of any basic moral framework other than individual "make everything Easy + materialist + indulgent" feelz....ignoring its much larger body of existence and its own inherited intuition from that.

Again no point continuing this tangent either. Fire and water difference here...



Nice far-leftie strawman. Precisely why Trump won may I add (and hillariously exposed the hypocritical non-follow through of self-strawmen arguments the lefties made about leaving the US if Trump won) ...and also precisely why many more of him around the world coming up (given this predilection for strawman hypocrisy by the left, stupidly adding much transient counterforce against them, alienating and polarising even neutrals.... when natural decline will give them everything they want long term anyway). I will enjoy this all very immensely.....this is the catch 22 for the leftie, they want everything at every level (that their feelz dictate) within their lifetime (because nothing after)....but the desperation of bringing that about leads to the reverse force happening because way more people still have a basic essence left on what makes us human. @Desert Fox @Psychic



OK so what level? Should she be allowed to kill the fetus/baby a day or two before its born? Lets find where your line is first....before I sewer your "argument" even more.



Yes coming from the Trotskyist (living in his comfort but hypocritically labels others by assuming the same for them) who I doubt had any serious conversation with a prostitute in the first place (yet loudly triumphs complete "free choice" as panacea or even solution for the issue)....it says so much when you assume I haven't talked to women who have went through the "choice" of having an abortion, when you assume I have not read the studies of psychology of the women that allow a "doctor" to kill their unborn baby (spinal nervous system be damned even)...increasingly for convenience (rather than rape etc that form less than 1% of abortions which at least we can have a serious argument about)....and assume that I have not studied where the arguments for mass-scale abortion first came from (heres a hint: eugenics, black people, KKK party + parallels worldwide).....among the myriad other assumptions YOU make in YOUR comfort. Such a person so brazenly attempting to apply what he clearly is to others in such negative fashion is hypocritical, ironic and delusional....hard to strike all those 3 at once...good job leftie.

You see lefties assume so much and then use those assumptions as their logic....and build a flimsy pyramid on it all the time....and then get super triggered when it collapses (because it always does in their timeframe given their worship of the lifetime only +materialism only). It comes right out of the same thing Karl Marx had when he raped and impregnated his servant girl and kicked her out right after....and then preached that he cares about the same oppressed people. Normal folk inherently can grasp these double standards.....too bad they decline over time and the leftie-zombies multiply....but thats fine too in the end you see, leftie-zombies suck at fighting when it comes to that....cycles are never kind to them at any timeframe....and they take it way more badly because this life is all they believe in.



Yes people who are adamant will find way to murder other human beings. And?

"Give their child up for adoption or worse neglect the child"......so do you also propose we murder all poor people (at some threshold line of income/suffering/neglect you draw, just like I am waiting for you to draw one for the unborn baby)....because they are corollaries of this concept for larger society? Or is there something to life anyway (say having it in first place than not having it because of another's decision) that should be inviolable as the moral standard i.e "Thou shalt not kill"?

Drawing a line in first place for when one side initiated murder is fine is a major slippery slope...because it can (and has) been applied past wherever you choose to apply it first on some individual "comfort + life should be easy" feeling you have.



You didn't explain shit till you explain to people that know people that were murdered by those high on drugs/alcohol etc.

Again drugs and getting high wouldn't be so much of a problem IF the effects are fully internalised (as you seem to assume time and again)....heck even caffeine is a mild stimulant....sugar is addictive and damaging too. I'm talking about the hardcore drugs that have clear externalities, as extreme as murder, 1000 times increase in likelihood of suicide (or convincing others to do such) and tons of other disturbing crap "you in your room" seem to have no idea about or have completely deluded yourself about....I don't care which.

If anything with such massive negative externality should be allowed on demand harnessing instant free and fickle choice....you are free to show you are not a hypocrite and live among such a pure free choice society....lets see how long you are able to personally tolerate living inside or near to the "needle banks"/"drug zones" in Toronto and Vancouver @Jlaw Maybe Sweden has them too? So put up...or accept you simply preach past that gated compound (from the reality) of yours.



Jain gurus stay in their ashrams (removed from society, similar to nude beaches and communities)...they dont walk around in the middle of a conventional town/city like that...they realise the social norms more than you do.

Again making more strawmen here is not productive....I am asking you clearly, should conventional society be allowed to impose norms regarding nudity, public masturbation and sex or not?

I am not talking about kids going naked in some slum or people deciding to do it only "sometimes". I am asking you is public indecency standards ok to have or not? - they essentially are society imposing itself on people that would otherwise streak among full public view (i.e people that dont want any of that)....hence why such people form their own limited communities and such AWAY from such places if they want that as the norm.

But you said that this imposition by society should never happen anywhere, anytime for anyone (and then you still draw lines and say "DONT" and "DO" when it suits you anyway, doing the exact same thing you criticize others for doing...and that is frankly laughable).

Seriously you are so below the surface of consistency you have developed deep sea gills...and that is your life now.....but you want to convince others you are a surface dweller, that is futile.



But these are defined areas. I'm talking about in general, what right does general society to impose in the general areas the norms and customs? Its imposing on your right to be nude, fornicate etc in public as much as the individual may want to.

If there are limits and controls to be had there, you cannot suddenly say your dial level of it is inherently superior to another. Either you are for controls and limits, or you are for zero of them. Which is it.



Again thats your personal opinion. Trying to expand it as some defacto standard for society because its just "easier" that way is extremely flawed.



People have become overall higher ego and weaker in every other regard over time....its not really surprising.



Why would I be? Allowing for divorce separates the wheat from the chaff....it is a good indicator regarding the decline of society, why should it be artificially repressed?

Again the moral standard should be governing what is done within a marriage and promoting it as the ideal union for humans in society. Why does the starting/ending of marriage in society enter the topic? Lot of things decline as humankind declines in worth overall. Those that still believe in a higher concept and ideal will band together and coalesce and defend and argue and fight if needed...is there something wrong with that?



So? Again I have answered that. If you have no loyalties to any consistent position, but the position should be just dictated at any time by a) what is "increasing" in society b) what the level in society regarding some issue is in first place ....you are basically going to be controlled forever (and the examples of history are many) and I have limited interest in engaging with such people beyond that. Bedrock foundations are the stone and mortar of civilisations just like gravity is that for the Stars that forged the non-hydrogen atoms in first place....but even Stars have their lifetime because of entropy.....but it does not mean the Star was devoid of a higher purpose than the proton soup from which it was formed from.



That is more interplay. Is the friend paying his own way or his parents paying for it? If the parents are providing the funding, they ought to have a strong say in it. If not (and friend is an adult etc), the friend should have a full say on it (i.e he takes a loan or whatever and pays that back himself). If he feels so strongly on it, the latter option was always there right? If there's parent easy street (funding, room, board etc), they get to set what the field of study is, its their money they are investing after all. Thus there is only so much coercion envelope a parent can have to begin with (depending on the individuals personality and character etc) when you finish mandatory schooling stage....its not really pure force vs pure choice ever.
Prostitution and drugs destroy families. It is wrong to say that it's free choice and that it harms no one else. The people living in their own mental utopia should consider a visit to the real world.
Marriages break, children are affected where a man visits a brothel or is on drugs. Many addicts sell off whatever they find in their homes in order to afford some more. They harm not only themselves but their family and perhaps the society as well who are innocent.

Just like I wouldn't allow my child to play with matches, a state has to stop its subjects from playing with fire for the fire will not only harm them but burn the entire house as it spreads.
 
Again you are making the assumption that every prostitute was in a position of "final, only choice"...when really only very few were. In between should be all the requisite interventions that an ideal society offers...when you bypass this with an easy highway of full on individualist choice triumphs all, you simply erode and undermine social fabric.



The point is informing people of those risks....bypassing this and saying its absolute free choice, do as you will with no adequate mitigation from the society/law/morals/family...is precisely why its a wretched situation regarding prostitutes in the developing world (they are captured and forced to varying degrees @Zibago points out) and not much better in developed world either (as @Desert Fox pointed out is often the cause to add to my own story of talking with one). Tell me have you actually every talked to any sex workers yourself in both Europe and Bangladesh? Or everything is spoonfed to you on the issue in some way?



Most contraception is fine. Killing a baby (pre or post birth) isn't.



As long as they are not "well informed" (and very few in the developed world are either), what do you propose? Just say ok let them be uninformed and let consequences happen to the vast majority of them.

I'd like to see you try apply that with driving. Its fine if you are "uninformed", just go out and drive the car...learn that way! Or is it better to ban driving for those that are "uninformed" about it?



According to who? This is an unfounded argument made by Atheists themselves (our "rise" = natural = new = correct = moral) . There has always been a prevalence in humankind for Atheism and its larger world of A - B materialism, whether they were nominally part of a larger socio-religious body or not....who exactly was surveying this in any accuracy over time (since you Atheists esp do not believe in any power that can do just that to the detail/resolution needed governing peoples minds and hearts)? Saying people are increasingly "leaving" "pushed" out because of religion or perceived inadequate moral standards is quite ludicrous when you have zero data to base it upon.

The deterioration of society over time is largely due to the human ego thinking truth lies within the fickle individual self (esp emotion)...and deluded itself to the level saying imperfection is actually perfection. This process has existed since time immemorial.

Religion itself has been perverted away from its essence (when our conscious was still new, our spirits bold, our egos still weak) in pretty much every case by this....yet you hold it up as some monolithic edifice that is being righteously rebelled against. Yes you, a person that has clearly not read one word of say even Plato and Aristotle yet trying to give me your copy-paste modernist take on a millenia old phenomenon long discussed by some of the greatest humans that walked the earth. Sorry I'll take a pass.



Again you miss the point. It increased out of the blue in many instances simply by the populist feelings of a time period. Results of populist feelings (and how they come about and wax and wane) are not an argument for moral standards. You either get that or you don't and you clearly don't....so waste of time to continue on it.



Where did I say find (each and every) and kill the homo? Committing (as society) to finding each and every sin and having death for every sin is a sin in itself, because you make no distinction for the level of sin....and in fact you impose a human ego when you take away (from a proposed perfect higher authority/moral-giver) that which cannot be seen/analysed by humans....i.e we must only punish with sound logic and argument accessible to us.

In fact it is for this reason I do not suggest death for any sin (esp in an ideal society)....but society must debate how to punish those that do wrong and morally reprehensible things (and society exists at many levels past the state too) and what scale (of enforcement and punishment is most appropriate)....not (if it wants to sustain and prosper) out of the blue change what is wrong to being right with no regard of any basic moral framework other than individual "make everything Easy + materialist + indulgent" feelz....ignoring its much larger body of existence and its own inherited intuition from that.

Again no point continuing this tangent either. Fire and water difference here...



Nice far-leftie strawman. Precisely why Trump won may I add (and hillariously exposed the hypocritical non-follow through of self-strawmen arguments the lefties made about leaving the US if Trump won) ...and also precisely why many more of him around the world coming up (given this predilection for strawman hypocrisy by the left, stupidly adding much transient counterforce against them, alienating and polarising even neutrals.... when natural decline will give them everything they want long term anyway). I will enjoy this all very immensely.....this is the catch 22 for the leftie, they want everything at every level (that their feelz dictate) within their lifetime (because nothing after)....but the desperation of bringing that about leads to the reverse force happening because way more people still have a basic essence left on what makes us human. @Desert Fox @Psychic



OK so what level? Should she be allowed to kill the fetus/baby a day or two before its born? Lets find where your line is first....before I sewer your "argument" even more.



Yes coming from the Trotskyist (living in his comfort but hypocritically labels others by assuming the same for them) who I doubt had any serious conversation with a prostitute in the first place (yet loudly triumphs complete "free choice" as panacea or even solution for the issue)....it says so much when you assume I haven't talked to women who have went through the "choice" of having an abortion, when you assume I have not read the studies of psychology of the women that allow a "doctor" to kill their unborn baby (spinal nervous system be damned even)...increasingly for convenience (rather than rape etc that form less than 1% of abortions which at least we can have a serious argument about)....and assume that I have not studied where the arguments for mass-scale abortion first came from (heres a hint: eugenics, black people, KKK party + parallels worldwide).....among the myriad other assumptions YOU make in YOUR comfort. Such a person so brazenly attempting to apply what he clearly is to others in such negative fashion is hypocritical, ironic and delusional....hard to strike all those 3 at once...good job leftie.

You see lefties assume so much and then use those assumptions as their logic....and build a flimsy pyramid on it all the time....and then get super triggered when it collapses (because it always does in their timeframe given their worship of the lifetime only +materialism only). It comes right out of the same thing Karl Marx had when he raped and impregnated his servant girl and kicked her out right after....and then preached that he cares about the same oppressed people. Normal folk inherently can grasp these double standards.....too bad they decline over time and the leftie-zombies multiply....but thats fine too in the end you see, leftie-zombies suck at fighting when it comes to that....cycles are never kind to them at any timeframe....and they take it way more badly because this life is all they believe in.



Yes people who are adamant will find way to murder other human beings. And?

"Give their child up for adoption or worse neglect the child"......so do you also propose we murder all poor people (at some threshold line of income/suffering/neglect you draw, just like I am waiting for you to draw one for the unborn baby)....because they are corollaries of this concept for larger society? Or is there something to life anyway (say having it in first place than not having it because of another's decision) that should be inviolable as the moral standard i.e "Thou shalt not kill"?

Drawing a line in first place for when one side initiated murder is fine is a major slippery slope...because it can (and has) been applied past wherever you choose to apply it first on some individual "comfort + life should be easy" feeling you have.



You didn't explain shit till you explain to people that know people that were murdered by those high on drugs/alcohol etc.

Again drugs and getting high wouldn't be so much of a problem IF the effects are fully internalised (as you seem to assume time and again)....heck even caffeine is a mild stimulant....sugar is addictive and damaging too. I'm talking about the hardcore drugs that have clear externalities, as extreme as murder, 1000 times increase in likelihood of suicide (or convincing others to do such) and tons of other disturbing crap "you in your room" seem to have no idea about or have completely deluded yourself about....I don't care which.

If anything with such massive negative externality should be allowed on demand harnessing instant free and fickle choice....you are free to show you are not a hypocrite and live among such a pure free choice society....lets see how long you are able to personally tolerate living inside or near to the "needle banks"/"drug zones" in Toronto and Vancouver @Jlaw Maybe Sweden has them too? So put up...or accept you simply preach past that gated compound (from the reality) of yours.



Jain gurus stay in their ashrams (removed from society, similar to nude beaches and communities)...they dont walk around in the middle of a conventional town/city like that...they realise the social norms more than you do.

Again making more strawmen here is not productive....I am asking you clearly, should conventional society be allowed to impose norms regarding nudity, public masturbation and sex or not?

I am not talking about kids going naked in some slum or people deciding to do it only "sometimes". I am asking you is public indecency standards ok to have or not? - they essentially are society imposing itself on people that would otherwise streak among full public view (i.e people that dont want any of that)....hence why such people form their own limited communities and such AWAY from such places if they want that as the norm.

But you said that this imposition by society should never happen anywhere, anytime for anyone (and then you still draw lines and say "DONT" and "DO" when it suits you anyway, doing the exact same thing you criticize others for doing...and that is frankly laughable).

Seriously you are so below the surface of consistency you have developed deep sea gills...and that is your life now.....but you want to convince others you are a surface dweller, that is futile.



But these are defined areas. I'm talking about in general, what right does general society to impose in the general areas the norms and customs? Its imposing on your right to be nude, fornicate etc in public as much as the individual may want to.

If there are limits and controls to be had there, you cannot suddenly say your dial level of it is inherently superior to another. Either you are for controls and limits, or you are for zero of them. Which is it.



Again thats your personal opinion. Trying to expand it as some defacto standard for society because its just "easier" that way is extremely flawed.



People have become overall higher ego and weaker in every other regard over time....its not really surprising.



Why would I be? Allowing for divorce separates the wheat from the chaff....it is a good indicator regarding the decline of society, why should it be artificially repressed?

Again the moral standard should be governing what is done within a marriage and promoting it as the ideal union for humans in society. Why does the starting/ending of marriage in society enter the topic? Lot of things decline as humankind declines in worth overall. Those that still believe in a higher concept and ideal will band together and coalesce and defend and argue and fight if needed...is there something wrong with that?



So? Again I have answered that. If you have no loyalties to any consistent position, but the position should be just dictated at any time by a) what is "increasing" in society b) what the level in society regarding some issue is in first place ....you are basically going to be controlled forever (and the examples of history are many) and I have limited interest in engaging with such people beyond that. Bedrock foundations are the stone and mortar of civilisations just like gravity is that for the Stars that forged the non-hydrogen atoms in first place....but even Stars have their lifetime because of entropy.....but it does not mean the Star was devoid of a higher purpose than the proton soup from which it was formed from.



That is more interplay. Is the friend paying his own way or his parents paying for it? If the parents are providing the funding, they ought to have a strong say in it. If not (and friend is an adult etc), the friend should have a full say on it (i.e he takes a loan or whatever and pays that back himself). If he feels so strongly on it, the latter option was always there right? If there's parent easy street (funding, room, board etc), they get to set what the field of study is, its their money they are investing after all. Thus there is only so much coercion envelope a parent can have to begin with (depending on the individuals personality and character etc) when you finish mandatory schooling stage....its not really pure force vs pure choice ever.
Great post! Well said!

Slavery was accepted and supported by religions too.....rather we gradually started to realize that it was wrong and thus abolished it.

No, we never realized that slavery was "wrong", regardless of what our current politically correct interpretation of history tells us.

Rather it was the industrial revolution that made slavery obsolete. This is why Britain, the first country to industrialize, abolished slavery first followed by other European powers who also industrialized.

If we look at the American civil war (which, contrary to what is claimed, was not over slavery alone), the North had industrialized whereas the South was still a heavily agrarian society dependent on Slave run cotton & tabacco plantations.

Industrialization made mass-manufacturing more profitable compared to slave labor.

So, you propose some punishment for prostitution and homosexuality? Dude why you are in Canada instead of Afghanistan? Afghanistan has punishment for those things....it will be heaven for guys like you and @Centaur
That's not an argument.
The point is informing people of those risks....bypassing this and saying its absolute free choice, do as you will with no adequate mitigation from the society/law/morals/family...is precisely why its a wretched situation regarding prostitutes in the developing world (they are captured and forced to varying degrees @Zibago points out) and not much better in developed world either (as @Desert Fox pointed out is often the cause to add to my own story of talking with one). Tell me have you actually every talked to any sex workers yourself in both Europe and Bangladesh? Or everything is spoonfed to you on the issue in some way?
Exactly.

Prostitution, a "profession" known to involve abuse, especially in third world countries where not even basic laws to protect human life are wholly enforced, is not something 99.9% of the women involved wish to do were they not compelled to do it. And those who do enjoy it, if they exist, are not mentally fit.

For those who are claiming that in a "free" and "progressive" society prostitution would be tolerated, on the contrary in a healthy society prostitution would be prohibited and in fact would not be need.
 
Who told u that prostitution isn't legal in Bangladesh? We have the largest brothel in southeast Asia.

Law enforcing agencies r arresting only those who r blackmailing and harassing common public on roads or other public places.

Live and let live. As long as they aren't being forced to choose this profession( which is quite common in backward countries like ours) and doing their business under a legal structure, we shouldn't have any problem with it.
Where do you get that info prostitution is legal in Bangladesh ?Bd has one of the biggest brothel doesn't mean its legal .YABA is available too and other drugs doesn't mean they are legal.Only a very few western countries where prostitution is legal .Even a country like sweden where prostitution selling is legal but buying is illegal. A prostitute can stand on the street for customer and is legal but the police can arrest the customer while buying sex .Go checkout .The law enforcement agencies raid on the hotels on a regular basis not just for blackmailing or harassment .Don't be over confident or you will get caught in hand and your face will be broadcast in TV .
 
Prostitution and drugs destroy families. It is wrong to say that it's free choice and that it harms no one else. The people living in their own mental utopia should consider a visit to the real world.
Marriages break, children are affected where a man visits a brothel or is on drugs. Many addicts sell off whatever they find in their homes in order to afford some more. They harm not only themselves but their family and perhaps the society as well who are innocent.

Just like I wouldn't allow my child to play with matches, a state has to stop its subjects from playing with fire for the fire will not only harm them but burn the entire house as it spreads.

Spot on. Its vicious degenerate cycle and has massive negative externality. A state/society must definitely be concerned with active involvement to nip in the bud (such things with such negative externality) as far as reasonably possible....just like promotion of the things with positive externalities.

Exactly.

Prostitution, a "profession" known to involve abuse, especially in third world countries where not even basic laws to protect human life are wholly enforced, is not something 99.9% of the women involved wish to do were they not compelled to do it. And those who do enjoy it, if they exist, are not mentally fit.

For those who are claiming that in a "free" and "progressive" society prostitution would be tolerated, on the contrary in a healthy society prostitution would be prohibited and in fact would not be need.

Exactly my friend. It is same mis-application of post-industrial leftism (socialism)...as bad as it is there in first place..... to societies that have not even experienced the industrialisation phase (i.e much much worse application). The tentacles of the leftist globalist feelz elite are very destructive....but evil will always lose in the end.
 

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