Erdogan says Saudi 'put pressure' on Pakistan to withdraw from Malaysia summit: Turkish media

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

It was Turkey, Malaysia, and if i remember correctly, China, these 3 countries were speaking in favor of PAK in the FATF meeting. Minimum 3 countries were required for Pak to not be blacklisted, without these 3, Pak could have been blacklisted. Maybe Msia and Turkey didnt take a lot of our work force but it doesnt mean they did nothing for us. Saudi also have done a lot of good things for Pak. IMO, this summit was not just about Turkey and Msia, but with the involvement of Iran and Qatar, things became a lot more complicated. Pak should keep ties with everyone for trade and economic purpose where all parties can benefit. When religious issues is included, then it just becomes a lot more complicated to handle as we can see now.

Speaking about the FATF thing, as usual there was a lot of propaganda from the few loud anti-Arabs on PDF, but it turned out that KSA first became a full member of FATF with voting rights after that summit. So in no way could KSA have voted for or against Pakistan and quite frankly anyone believing that KSA would somehow vote against, while keeping Pakistani economy afloat by billions of favorable loans and donations (as well as hosting the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world) is insane.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...omes-full-member-of-money-laundering-watchdog

June 2019. Bloomberg.

As well as appointing Rachel Sharif as the head of the Islamic Military Alliance.

But somehow on PDF many users blamed KSA for Pakistan's fate. This is the reality on PDF. Where long-term allies such as KSA are insulted left and right, and populists with empty rhetoric (Erdogan) are praised as the second coming. Some kind of alternative reality. But don't get me wrong, Pakistan has all the right to have as cordial ties with Turkey as they want to, and I surely also expect KSA/Arab world-Turkey relations to improve massively as soon as Erdogan is gone. Might last a bit as he has been ruling for 20 years in a row and I don't see him leaving anytime soon. But maybe in 10 years or so.

 

[Meengla]

Turkey is substantial economy as well. Why did they not help Pakistan economically? It is very easy to make empty rhetoric without any strings attached or promises. Everyone can do that. When it comes to actual help throughout the ages, Pakistan can only count on KSA, China and UAE until time proves something different.

Correct. Words are cheap and Erdogan, if he really 'spilled the beans', is a moron who likes to thump his chest round the clock, bashing the West, bashing Israel, while keeping strong ties with both.

 

[dBSPL]

if that gona happen any time soon.
Erdovan the leader of so called best friend of Pakistan supposedly has just blown the lid out of the situation. A best friend indeed. Who needs enemies..

Turkey has his hands full with NATO and Syria and S-400 fiasco with the Americans.

The only countries willing to help financially are Saudis lead GCCs.

What is the S400 fiasco? And who are the sheeps ? Did Turkey send back these systems to Russia , and nobody knows yet ?

While you aredeveloping post-truth discourse against Turkey , the US defense budget 2020 were opened to sign, in this hours. In this context, Turkey will be the adress of some embargo and sanctions. You guys are so cheeky propagandists here, BCS this style requires great effort to ignore the power and presence of US in the Gulf while attempting to make a special effort talkin about TR.

The Pakistani state is free to make any choice. No one can judge Pakistan and no one can put mortgages to country's will with threat. That's exactly what we were discussed before someone manipulated the issue.

Its Pakistan's free will. Or Not... If anyone try to manipulate by addressing this issue in Turkey-KSA dilemma ,they just make fun of PDF members minds.


Let me summarize the situation: Firstly , Pakistan put a will . A common tripartite mechanism was established. And one of the leaders who led this was IK. Then they were decided to establish a common television channel. Then they were decided to hold joint meetings of the council of ministers and high-level strategic co-operation council. However, after IK's visit to the KSA, the Pakistani government rejected all its promises and took itself out of the process.

In particular, someones doing his best for trying prevent of revealing this aspect of the subject. That's where the problem starts.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

Who else is willing to employ 4 million Pakistanis?

Nawaz Sharif

 

[jericho]

Speaking about the FATF thing, as usual there was a lot of propaganda from the few loud anti-Arabs on PDF, but it turned out that KSA first became a full member of FATF with voting rights after that summit. So in no way could KSA have voted for or against Pakistan

Good information, thank you for clarification

 

[anatolia]

Which is why this news is fake news. Erdogan is the same liar who used the Khashoggi situation to hurt KSA as much as possible while claiming brotherhood with KSA simultaneously. He was saying one thing to Arab/Muslim media and another to Western (called for sanctions against KSA). All those fake Turkish state media claims of Khashoggi being chopped up alive etc. and threatening to publish the recordings. Of course that never occurred as those recordings do not exist. I remember it vividly throughout that month. It was far worse than any Western media, even the most anti-Muslim that exists. Was very "interesting" to observe.

BTW, the Khashoggi murder (which it was) was clearly a failed operation/arrest as KSA does not normally (no such history) of murdering critics or opposition figures which explains why there are 1000's of anti-House of Saud Saudi Arabians based in the West and broadcasting from the West and non-Western countries. A visit to Arabic Twitter/forums would also show the criticism of the Saudi Arabian people. It was like shooting yourself in the foot. Khashoggi was a patriot and his criticism was not very harsh but leaders in the Muslim world and the current generation are not without faults and are as power hungry as any other. The people did not support this that is for sure nor was it committed by the people.

Also Turkey should not talk as they until recently (apparently China overtook them, which is a very close ally of KSA and Pakistan) jailed the most journalists in the world and Turkey has killed many opposition figures/enemies of the state throughout the ages. So it is like a whore teaching others about chastity.

So I don't believe anything that this populist says about KSA given the political hostilities between Erdogan and KSA/most of the Arab world.

From a policy of no enemies with neighbors/regions to having problems with everyone. This is what happens when you gain to much power and rule for too long. To begin with, I cannot take anyone seriously whose country is a NATO member but speaks about saving the Muslim world. Not even talking about the public gay parades, prostitution, large domestic alcohol/beer industry, huge secular nationalism that despises Islam by large etc. I don't hope that there are many gullible Pakistanis that will believe those fairy tales. Such people might dislike Arab regimes (as many Arabs do) but if they think that people like Erdogan will save them, may Allah (swt) help the Muslim world. Or the Iranian Mullah's who the vast majority of Iranians themselves want dead and buried with 1000 being killed not many weeks ago when protesting against them.

But Erdogan is a populist and he knows what he is doing. Did the same thing with Khashoggi and now lying again to try to destroy the age old KSA/Arab-Pakistani relationship that far exceeds anything Pakistani-Turkish. Whether historically or today. However that will fail spectacularly, have no doubt about it.

so where is Khashoggi who entered to your embassy?you disrespected whole Turkey by killing him in Turkey but still talking shamelessly..you Saudies better understand that your mister MBS is going wrong direction...

Turks share nothing with Arabs. Stop with the lies.
Turks have more in common with Greeks than Arabs. And we share almost nothing with Greek people. we might look similar though.
Arabs are too dark, and look like African

yes we share lots of thing with Arabs..i look like african too as Turk

 

[BRAVO_]

one thing is very evident after all recent events, muslim nations are divided in to two groups, for pakistan it is indeed a very difficult situation on one hand they have saudis which are time tested and due to religious reasons pakistani public see them very close, lots of pakistani expats are living in gulf for a long time they understand their culture their language and other social things, on the other hand turkey is also considered to be a brotherly country last time when i visited pakistan i asked randomly from few of my family friend about reputations of turkey among pakistanies, the answer was " two countries which pakistan can trust are turkey and china"
it would be good if pakistan have a balanced policy because in coming few years Arab vs Ajam issues will increase specially after Yemen issue saudies have a threat at their one border backed by iranians, while in Qatar Turkish forces are already active
it would be a good idea to sort out differences now through dialogs because if events keep taking place with the same pace this divide will increase more and more and only third party will get benefited with the entire situation.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

so where is Khashoggi who entered to your embassy?you disrespected whole Turkey by killing him in Turkey but still talking shamelessly..you Saudies better understand that your mister MBS is going wrong direction...


yes we share lots of thing with Arabs..i look like african too as Turk

Who are we? So when Erdogan jails the largest number of journalists in the world, jails political opponents, kills opponents of the state inside Turkey and abroad, it is the work of you (as in Turkish people)?

If you knew a thing or two, then you would know that 99.9% of all Saudi Arabians were against this botched operation/killing of Khashoggi. Khashoggi was a patriot and a person who loved KSA. So we don't support it.

It took place in the Saudi Arabian embassy which is sovereign Saudi Arabian territory.

BTW one thing is it being KSA's mistake, another thing is to milk the incident, lie about it in public for weeks in a row and invent nonsense of him being chopped up alive. All this originated from Erdogan controlled media. BTW this incident only hurt KSA, nothing was gained from it so it was a huge own goal. Any idiot can realize this but luckily the world did not end and things are moving forward on all fronts. Recently the 2 TRILLION USD IP (largest in history) met expectations despite much nonsense/propaganda in the Western media of that never happening. KSA is moving in the right direction on all fronts and developing at a very quick pace.

Anyway, Turks share most things in common with Arabs due to millennia old influences from the Arab world. Even after the Kemalist era, to this day Turkish has more foreign words from Arabic than any other foreign language in the world. Millions of Turks have Arab ancestry (Turkish Arabs) and even more partial Arab ancestry (most Turks share ancestry with Arabs as almost every DNA tests confirms).

I can only speak for myself, but I don't look at Turks as enemies at all. I am only against anti-Arab Turks. Rest of Turks are my brothers and I wish the best for them as long as those ruling Turkey, are not hostile against their Arab neighbors.

Rest is PDF counter-trolling and PDF climate of trolling.

So I will never point a gun at a Muslim Turk unless that Muslim Turk has pointed a gun towards me and Arabs first, in such a case we of course have to defend ourselves as throughout history.

But Turkey nor Turks are our enemies. We have enough on our own plate to focus on any particular country in the neighborhood. Turks like you, no Arab will see as enemy, I can assure you of that and I know this is the case vice versa as well, trolling on PDF aside.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Muslim world has to understand that MBS is what the son of Gaddafi was.
He lead Libya to utter disgrace and destruction.
MBS would do the same for SA, I am convinced.
People in Islamic world have to realise, when such personalities come to the west, they put under the microscope, they are watched, followed, every moment and activities of theirs are monitored.
They get what is needed, and then use it cleverly to gain their objectives.
What is greater objective than to demolish Muslim countries from within!!
Gaddafi's son became a tool, he made his father forgo the plans he had, including nuclear technology etc. After he gave up, he was punished and died a horrible death.
Wait for the time, when it approaches, SA would be in ruins. There is no doubt about it in my mind.
It may take 5 years, a decade, whatever, but it will happen, plenty of evidence point to it.

 

[Verve]

Pakistan first and IK made the right decision based on this.

These are dangerous times and we can't be seen as taking sides. We have our problems and issues that need addressing first.

Turkey and Malaysia both have stable economies and can withstand financial pressures for their adventures, we can't take such risks.

 

[StormBreaker]

Pakistan first and IK made the right decision based on this.

These are dangerous times and we can't be seen as taking sides. We have our problems and issues that need addressing first.

Turkey and Malaysia both have stable economies and can withstand financial pressures for their adventures, we can't take such risks.

Pakistan is on the verge of either becoming a super power internationally AND leader of the Muslim world

OR

Completely Lose itself due to unstable economy and fragility surrounding the safety of heavy FDI.

So, it’s best in our interest to write down the first scenario in brains, forget Turkey, Malaysia, Ummah chumma and KSA Rona Dhona. Play balanced with both sides, focus on itself, on the world map, a Small Country named Pakistan will emerge as a Super Power within a decade inshaAllah and will be the leader and judge of the remaining Muslim countries. Turkey can never become a leader again, it is interlocked, far from others. We are geographically very close to the centre of Islam, plus the fact that, whenever a big issue is faced, the centre comes directly to us for assistance instead of heading towards others.

 

[Lincoln]

Lol, don't be talking when we all know what goes on in your society. You are taught in schools and think of Arabs as "nigg*rs" and expect us to respect you, or like you. Respect is a two-way street buddy, and as long as you don't respect us you don't deserve a shred of respect.


Why should KSA do anything for Pakistan? We don't own Pakistan anything, infact Pakistan owes KSA more for all those economic bailouts.

I am in Turkey, I know many, many arabs here. Turkish companies have people who can speak Arabic, but not even English.

So what bullshit are you on about? Ever seen how Arabs treat outsiders? Oh, forget outsiders, GULf Arabs don't even treat Arabs from North Africa, Syria or Iraq as equals. Joker.

 

[anatolia]

any way i

Who are we? So when Erdogan jails the largest number of journalists in the world, jails political opponents, kills opponents of the state inside Turkey and abroad, it is the work of you (as in Turkish people)?

If you knew a thing or two, then you would know that 99.9% of all Saudi Arabians were against this botched operation/killing of Khashoggi. Khashoggi was a patriot and a person who loved KSA. So we don't support it.

It took place in the Saudi Arabian embassy which is sovereign Saudi Arabian territory.

BTW one thing is it being KSA's mistake, another thing is to milk the incident, lie about it in public for weeks in a row and invent nonsense of him being chopped up alive. All this originated from Erdogan controlled media. BTW this incident only hurt KSA, nothing was gained from it so it was a huge own goal. Any idiot can realize this but luckily the world did not end and things are moving forward on all fronts. Recently the 2 TRILLION USD IP (largest in history) met expectations despite much nonsense/propaganda in the Western media of that never happening. KSA is moving in the right direction on all fronts and developing at a very quick pace.

Anyway, Turks share most things in common with Arabs due to millennia old influences from the Arab world. Even after the Kemalist era, to this day Turkish has more foreign words from Arabic than any other foreign language in the world. Millions of Turks have Arab ancestry (Turkish Arabs) and even more partial Arab ancestry (most Turks share ancestry with Arabs as almost every DNA tests confirms).

I can only speak for myself, but I don't look at Turks as enemies at all. I am only against anti-Arab Turks. Rest of Turks are my brothers and I wish the best for them as long as those ruling Turkey, are not hostile against their Arab neighbors.

Rest is PDF counter-trolling and PDF climate of trolling.

So I will never point a gun at a Muslim Turk unless that Muslim Turk has pointed a gun towards me and Arabs first, in such a case we of course have to defend ourselves as throughout history.

But Turkey nor Turks are our enemies. We have enough on our own plate to focus on any particular country in the neighborhood.

i know very well that None of real Saudi approves it ..but this still does not change the fact tht disrespected whole Turkey ....any way we have some shia Turkish and leftist which hate Araps and trying to show araps bad in Turkey and spreading false things about Arabs.Real peopleof Turkey love all muslims.. .i may hate Rulers of SA but not the people.. our goverments can fight and hate each other still i will still like them...

 

[Lincoln]

Cradle of civilization = Arab world (more precisely Arab Near East = Arabia/Mesopotamia/Sham

Cradle of Islam = Arabia in particular and the Arab world.

Home to all the main Muslim holy sites, oldest and most impressive mosques, where almost all the greatest Muslim scholars and scientists were from, where all the relevant Muslim sects were/are from, where Islam itself is from, where Sufism is from, where Islamic civilization was created, where the Islamic Golden Age emerged.

The same Arabs that spread Islam to all corners of the Muslim world from Indonesia (through trade) to Morocco/Spain/Portugal/Senegal/France in the West through conquest and brilliance as an imperial power. The same Arab Muslim dynasties that ruled the majority of the Muslim world and Caliphate for 1000 years (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Famitid) to the most respected Islamic personalities being 90% + Arab.

To depending completely on Arabs economically and politically to this very day.

As I already wrote, a so-called Muslim organization without Arabs is like a women without her private parts and main attributes. In other words not a woman.

Carry on with the crying and anti-Arab inferiority complexes while the same Arabs are keeping you afloat and bailing you out for decades in a row.



I have not read the recent pages but just saw this post. I would have agreed to this (and I agree by principle as do most Arabs, I imagine) but at the same time, a few inferiority ridden Arabized anti-Arabs on some small online forums, play no role whatsoever in the real world, where millions of non-Arabs would give their right hand and left leg to stay, and who have contributed in a good way and who are welcome. We should however not help hostile ones but that is easier said than done. GCC is no China on this front to keep people in concentration camps (apparently) to alter their views.

But I do catch myself at times thinking, why the hell is the wealth of the nation/people/Arabia being used on a failed military junta/establishment time and time again (more than one such example of a failing country economically that we somehow help) while this money could be used inside KSA and fellow Arab countries? It seems that both parties are better off without it so I say let us start today! What do we gain exactly is the real question?

Today Arabia is a cradle of Islam's destruction, so quit with the history lesson. Every civilization contributed to the world, and every civilization had its fair hand in propagation of Islam, you people are not the light and shining armor of Islam. Quite the opposite now.

 

[StormBreaker]

Prophetic!

I love it that you are such a good student of Maps!

Keep at it! We need to open the routes to CentralAsia ... it is absolutely essential... by any means necessary.

For now wisdom is to paly dead!

I have been a fan of encyclopedias since age 6. Had an atlas at 9 and used to sleep on it