Erdogan says Saudi 'put pressure' on Pakistan to withdraw from Malaysia summit: Turkish media

[Wa Muhammada]

https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomac...ue-erdogan-says/amp?__twitter_impression=true

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Saudis are tossers...this cements it. They will never be our friends...

Pakistanis back home need to get off their asses, how long will one person support the whole family? We need to put ourselves together, focus, innovate, become like Malaysia/South Korea.

 

[Chakar The Great]

Religion-based unity never works. Classic example is your country itself. It is nothing new that Turks are trying to checkmate Arabs and Iran is just enjoying the show of demise of influence of Arabs in Muslim world...All the successful groups in this world are base on either cultural simillarity or stategic interests. Classic example is ASEAN and NATO. In spite of Muslim majority country, Turkey is still a member of NATO and the same way, Malaysia and Indonesia are still part of ASEAN...

Turkey is just using religion as a medium to assert its leadership among a group of nations.

It is working better than India. Where Non Hindus are treated as shits and publicly lynched and killed.

 

[Avicenna]

Religion-based unity never works. Classic example is your country itself. It is nothing new that Turks are trying to checkmate Arabs and Iran is just enjoying the show of demise of influence of Arabs in Muslim world...All the successful groups in this world are base on either cultural simillarity or stategic interests. Classic example is ASEAN and NATO. In spite of Muslim majority country, Turkey is still a member of NATO and the same way, Malaysia and Indonesia are still part of ASEAN...

Turkey is just using religion as a medium to assert its leadership among a group of nations.

Disagree.

Ultimately it comes down to worldview.

From the Islamic perspective it’s based on the Quran.

Of course implementation is where one runs into problems.

I believe this KL summit was held in good faith.

I also believe it exposes who is who by the respective parties stance as well as their alignments with non Muslim entities.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Religion-based unity never works. Classic example is your country itself. It is nothing new that Turks are trying to checkmate Arabs and Iran is just enjoying the show of demise of influence of Arabs in Muslim world...All the successful groups in this world are base on either cultural simillarity or stategic interests. Classic example is ASEAN and NATO. In spite of Muslim majority country, Turkey is still a member of NATO and the same way, Malaysia and Indonesia are still part of ASEAN...

Turkey is just using religion as a medium to assert its leadership among a group of nations.

What demise? Did you read my posts in this thread? I don't want to brag (as I personally have nothing to do with those achievements or ground realities as an individual) but the facts of the matter are simple. The Arab world is by far the largest majority Muslim geography in the Muslim world. Arabs are by far the largest ethnic Muslim group in the world. The Arab world is by far the richest Muslim region in the world in terms of natural resources and minerals as well as economic size. The Arab world is home to all the most holy Muslim sites. It is the civilizational, cultural, linguistic and religious heart of the Muslim world and that will remain to be the case. Unless you want to alter Islam and Islamic history. I mean I heard people talk about Arabic no longer being the liturgic language of Islam. Some "Muslims" also claim that Hajj is not important because Makkah and Madinah happen to be located in KSA/Arabia which they seemingly hate. You cannot create a Muslim organization that calls for Muslim unity, without including the Arabs. I don't count tiny Qatar here with their less than 500.000 native Qataris. This is an undeniable fact.

Turkey (Erdogan) can dream all they want to, as of today, KSA has a larger economy than them and that is just 1 Arab country out of 20 +. GCC alone has an economy 2.5 times larger. Given the huge population increase of Arabs in the future (Iraq alone will have more people than Iran and Turkey combined), I don't see this changing. Anyway this is not about ruling anyone or anything. The time of Caliphates, Empires etc. is long gone. As are the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid etc.

KSA/Arab world has excellent ties with Indonesia (largest Muslim population in the world) with Arabs being the largest non-native ethnic group in Indonesia (almost 5 million Indonesians have Arab ancestry, mostly from KSA and Yemen) hence why they did not send anyone important. As well as cordial ties with Malaysia.

To be honest with you, there is no undisputed leader in the Muslim world (nation state) which might explain the chaos of the Muslim world. Not like there were once.

But in any case, there is the OIC where every majority Muslim state is a member. The OIC is nothing more than what the Muslim nations make it. We/Muslim leaders can shape it as they want to. What is the purpose of creating a new body? Is that going to unite Muslim? And in what world can Malaysia, Qatar, Turkey and Iran lead anything? Iran has horrible ties with most of its Muslim neighbors. Turkey not any better (Iraq and Syria). Qatar is at odds with their only neighbor (KSA) and Malaysia is a non-entity in the Muslim world, with all due respect to them. Mahathir is 94 years old as well and wants a personal legacy so he is pushing for that by hosting this summit.

 

[JonAsad]

Just ask you Turks and Malaysia friends to redirect few of their investments to Pakistan and evaluate their response against these Arab.

if that gona happen any time soon.
Erdovan the leader of so called best friend of Pakistan supposedly has just blown the lid out of the situation. A best friend indeed. Who needs enemies..

Turkey has his hands full with NATO and Syria and S-400 fiasco with the Americans.

The only countries willing to help financially are Saudis lead GCCs.

 

[Kaniska]

It is working better than India. Where Non Hindus are treated as shits and publicly lynched and killed.

Come out of your utopian views about India...Based on your own estimate, within Pakistan, you have beaten insurgency in your western border by killing thousands of people....Are those people, who were killed, Hindus or Christians? Create a separate thread to discuss about this topic, we will bring up facts on the ground. India is not pefect but it does not pride itself to be called as Hindu nation....We are still proud for what we beleive in true sense.... Even if Indian Non Hindus are not Hindus, but we will be always united as we are culturally one people following different religion...

 

[JonAsad]

KSA does not have the means to replace millions of Pakistanis overnight let alone within 1-2 years. Any such ideas are deeply unrealistic and would destroy a relationship that has lasted since Pakistan was born as a country.

Don't talk sense.. people here are used to feed on nonsenses. Thank you.

 

[Kaniska]

What demise? Did you read my posts in this thread? I don't want to brag (as I personally have nothing to do with those achievements or ground realities as an individual) but the facts of the matter are simple. The Arab world is by far the largest majority Muslim geography in the Muslim world. Arabs are by far the largest ethnic Muslim group in the world. The Arab world is by far the richest Muslim region in the world in terms of natural resources and minerals as well as economic size. The Arab world is home to all the most holy Muslim sites. It is the civilizational, cultural, linguistic and religious heart of the Muslim world and that will remain to be the case. Unless you want to alter Islam and Islamic history. I mean I heard people talk about Arabic no longer being the liturgic language of Islam. Some "Muslims" also claim that Hajj is not important because Makkah and Madinah happen to be located in KSA/Arabia which they seemingly hate. You cannot create a Muslim organization that calls for Muslim unity, without including the Arabs. I don't count tiny Qatar here with their less than 500.000 native Qataris. This is an undeniable fact.

Turkey (Erdogan) can dream all they want to, as of today, KSA has a larger economy than them and that is just 1 Arab country out of 20 +. GCC alone has an economy 2.5 times larger. Given the huge population increase of Arabs in the future (Iraq alone will have more people than Iran and Turkey combined), I don't see this changing. Anyway this is not about ruling anyone or anything. The time of Caliphates, Empires etc. is long gone. As are the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid etc.

KSA/Arab world has excellent ties with Indonesia (largest Muslim population in the world) with Arabs being the largest non-native ethnic group in Indonesia (almost 5 million Indonesians have Arab ancestry, mostly from KSA and Yemen) hence why they did not send anyone important. As well as cordial ties with Malaysia.

To be honest with you, there is no undisputed leader in the Muslim world (nation state) which might explain the chaos of the Muslim world. Not like there were once.

But in any case, there is the OIC where every majority Muslim state is a member. The OIC is nothing more than what the Muslim nations make it. We/Muslim leaders can shape it as they want to. What is the purpose of creating a new body? Is that going to unite Muslim? And in what world can Malaysia, Qatar, Turkey and Iran lead anything? Iran has horrible ties with most of its Muslim neighbors. Turkey not any better (Iraq and Syria). Qatar is at odds with their only neighbor (KSA) and Malaysia is a non-entity in the Muslim world, with all due respect to them. Mahathir is 94 years old as well and wants a personal legacy so he is pushing for that by hosting this summit.

You articulated it nicely.

 

[nahtanbob]

They work hard?

i am sure pakistanis in the Gulf countries work as hard as indian counterparts

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Don't talk sense.. people here are used to feed on nonsenses. Thank you.

Which is why this news is fake news. Erdogan is the same liar who used the Khashoggi situation to hurt KSA as much as possible while claiming brotherhood with KSA simultaneously. He was saying one thing to Arab/Muslim media and another to Western (called for sanctions against KSA). All those fake Turkish state media claims of Khashoggi being chopped up alive etc. and threatening to publish the recordings. Of course that never occurred as those recordings do not exist. I remember it vividly throughout that month. It was far worse than any Western media, even the most anti-Muslim that exists. Was very "interesting" to observe.

BTW, the Khashoggi murder (which it was) was clearly a failed operation/arrest as KSA does not normally (no such history) of murdering critics or opposition figures which explains why there are 1000's of anti-House of Saud Saudi Arabians based in the West and broadcasting from the West and non-Western countries. A visit to Arabic Twitter/forums would also show the criticism of the Saudi Arabian people. It was like shooting yourself in the foot. Khashoggi was a patriot and his criticism was not very harsh but leaders in the Muslim world and the current generation are not without faults and are as power hungry as any other. The people did not support this that is for sure nor was it committed by the people.

Also Turkey should not talk as they until recently (apparently China overtook them, which is a very close ally of KSA and Pakistan) jailed the most journalists in the world and Turkey has killed many opposition figures/enemies of the state throughout the ages. So it is like a whore teaching others about chastity.

So I don't believe anything that this populist says about KSA given the political hostilities between Erdogan and KSA/most of the Arab world.

From a policy of no enemies with neighbors/regions to having problems with everyone. This is what happens when you gain to much power and rule for too long. To begin with, I cannot take anyone seriously whose country is a NATO member but speaks about saving the Muslim world. Not even talking about the public gay parades, prostitution, large domestic alcohol/beer industry, huge secular nationalism that despises Islam by large etc. I don't hope that there are many gullible Pakistanis that will believe those fairy tales. Such people might dislike Arab regimes (as many Arabs do) but if they think that people like Erdogan will save them, may Allah (swt) help the Muslim world. Or the Iranian Mullah's who the vast majority of Iranians themselves want dead and buried with 1000 being killed not many weeks ago when protesting against them.

But Erdogan is a populist and he knows what he is doing. Did the same thing with Khashoggi and now lying again to try to destroy the age old KSA/Arab-Pakistani relationship that far exceeds anything Pakistani-Turkish. Whether historically or today. However that will fail spectacularly, have no doubt about it.

 

[nahtanbob]

Disagree.

Ultimately it comes down to worldview.

From the Islamic perspective it’s based on the Quran.

Of course implementation is where one runs into problems.

if you cannot agree on nitty gritty details on practically running society the whole thing is an utopia

 

[kshaib]

PAKISTAN HAS TO GET SRONG FINCIALLY. THEN WAIT FOR THAT TIME....ETC.FIRST TO DO GET MORE EXPLOATON IN OIL FIELD. START MORE DIGGING FOR GOLD, COPPER AND MINERIALS, IN FUTURE, WE WILL DICTATE OTHERS.

CREATE REGISTERATION OF ANY BODY SAUDI DUBAI QATTER, MUST HAVE THEIR LIST, WHAT KIND JOB, THEY WENT FOR, YOU CAN REGISTERD THEM , FROM NATIONAL IDENTY CARDS, WHICH HELP, IF
THOSE ASK FOR LABOUR, GOV. MUST KNOW, WHAT KIND OF JOG THOSE COUNTRY OFFERING, IT WILL HELP GOV. IN FUTURE, THEY RELOCATE THOSE PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN, IF THEY FINISHED THEIR CONTACT, THEY CAN HOME JOB WILL BE THEIR, DO NOT TRUST THEM, THEY ALL DOBLE NATURE, THEY MAY MUSLIM, NOT HUNDRED PERSOSEBT. THEY ALL UNDER DOG OF AMERICA.

TIME TRY TO BE BRAVE ANDPATIENTS, THATS ALL, IF YOU LIKE, YOU EILL TRUE.


THANKS ARMY, NAVY, AIRFORCE. TRY HELP OURSELF, IN THIS NO BODY HELP WITHOUT ANY MEANING. ALLAH HAFIZ.

 

[Avicenna]

if you cannot agree on nitty gritty details on practically running society the whole thing is an utopia

who exactly can agree on nitty gritty details in anything?

i.e. massive divisions in thought in any given country in regards to actual policy.

The US as a case in point.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

i am sure pakistanis in the Gulf countries work as hard as indian counterparts

Many Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans etc. forget that we Arabs have had trade ties with South Asia for millennia.

In fact for the past 5000 years.

Ever wondered why the sea that divides us is called the Arabian Sea for a second? Should that not be a hint to our activity in that part of the world?

For those who don't know what I am talking about a simple map should help:



Our peoples traded mutually millennia before Islam and continued to trade and have people to people relations long after Islam. This continues to this day. There is also geography at play here and the fact that South Asia is one of the most populous regions of the world with a big potential economically.

Many rulers of South Asia were of Arab heritage. Not long ago the Nizam of Hyderabad (his family claim Arab paternal ancestry) used to employ Yemeni soldiers because they were deemed more loyal than locals. Arabian dynasties also intermarried with people from modern-day Pakistan and India (mostly Muslims) at times. Many people from Pakistan, Gujarat etc. migrated to the GCC and were incorporated. As did Iranians.

The founder of the Sikh religion went to Arabia for inspiration (spiritual) before founding his religion. Not a coincidence either.

Baloch for instance are one of the largest ethnic groups in Oman as an example. Fully integrated, many having been there for centuries and intermarried with locals and adopted local customs. To this day you would not tell them apart. Not that they look like aliens to be begin with, lol, or very different on average.

People also forget that it is not in the interests of the GCC states to have an unstable South Asia as that instability will impact us directly. What would occur, if good forbid, a war erupted between Pakistan and India? Millions of expats in GCC would rebel by all accounts.

The GCC is at a point of transformation where the focus is on infrastructure (housing), education (KSA's budget for next year, education is the biggest area that money is allocated towards), economic growth and industrialization with some of the youngest populations on earth and with quickly growing populations. At the same time hands are needed. So we have tons to lose in case of regional war/conflict. Years of work could be destroyed.

So simple geopolitics would dictate that GCC wants a stable and prosperous South Asia just for economic reasons alone. Anything else makes no sense.

Not denying cultural, linguistic, racial or religious links. BUT the KSA is the Zionist Kingdom and a dagger in the heart of the Muslims including the Arabs....if the Arabs cannot see this then I pray at least Pakistanis can wake up and smell the coffee...

The House of Saud are not perfect, but as @azzo wrote, the Zionism nonsense is nonsense bro. Look at his post. Pure facts. If KSA is an imaginary Zionist kingdom, what does that make Turkey and most of the Muslim nations in comparison? Ultra-Zionists on steroids? I disagree with a lot of what the House of Saud is doing and other Arab leaderships. In fact most Arabs do. Many of their policies are not representative of the people but faults are one thing (committed by every leadership) but blatant nonsense/propaganda is another. We already have many lunatics who actually believe that the House of Saud are Jews.

BTW Jews are the closest people to Muslims. 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are of Arab ancestry. We share almost everything in common with them except for some theological disagreements. Our God is the same. Many of our Prophets were from the Bani Israel. Every Muslim respects them regardless of them being Israelites. We lived in peace for most of Islamic history. Zionism is an ideology, Jews are a people and as with every people there are bad and good apples. I welcome normalization with Israel if the Palestine conflict is solved. Prophet Muhammad (saws) had plenty of dealings with Jews. Now I expect to be called a Zionist but it is what it is. I am not going to lie about historical/theological facts because I dislike the ruling elite of Israel and their treatment of Palestinians.

 

[jericho]

what are the elected rulers of our other friends doing to help Pakistan? Turkey? Malaysia? Others? are they taking in our poor work force? investing billions in Pakistan? Nothing..

It was Turkey, Malaysia, and if i remember correctly, China, these 3 countries were speaking in favor of PAK in the FATF meeting. Minimum 3 countries were required for Pak to not be blacklisted, without these 3, Pak could have been blacklisted. Maybe Msia and Turkey didnt take a lot of our work force but it doesnt mean they did nothing for us. Saudi also have done a lot of good things for Pak. IMO, this summit was not just about Turkey and Msia, but with the involvement of Iran and Qatar, things became a lot more complicated. Pak should keep ties with everyone for trade and economic purpose where all parties can benefit. When religious issues is included, then it just becomes a lot more complicated to handle as we can see now.