Erdogan says Saudi 'put pressure' on Pakistan to withdraw from Malaysia summit: Turkish media

[Philip the Arab]

What the hell happened here? I just popped out for a bit and behold the race wars.

Relax guys, it is christmas period. Have an al malahma and enjoy

Christmas? **** that bullshit pagan holiday.

 

[El Sidd]

Christmas? **** that bullshit pagan holiday.

Your religious beliefs are none of the forums concern.

 

[Kaniska]

Pathetic KSA trolls and theirs whataboutism strategies at work.

Although he criticized India, his points are valid and well explained.Counter his points with logical arguments

 

[Philip the Arab]

Your religious beliefs are none of the forums concern.

Why mention Christmas at all then?

 

[Attila the Hun]

What do you think Turks are? You look nothing like Kazakh, Uzbek, Uighyr people on average your DNA is less than 10-20 percent shared with them. Your nation is not homogenous, it is Arab influenced greatly.

We the Turks look nothing like Arabs and culturally share nothing except Islam.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Tell us which country is willing to employ 3 million Pakistanis and give oil at concessional terms

The real question will be: will we die if we will not get these guddies? And we anyway have to stand on our feet one day. Better it should be today. Saudia better gives these jobs to Bangladeshis(my blood is really boiling after hearing these news). And after that as a first step, we will throw 1.5 million Begalis from Karachi alone into the sea. As a second step, we will pump-up our support to Iran(and that will be deadly for Saudia, even USA wouldn't be able to do any thing), and as third step, a small fireworks in Dubai. We will show the world what a real terrorist looks like.
To be honest, I think a small fireworks should take place in dubai asap, as they already fired almost all Pakistanis. Even Saudis are firing Pakistanis at an unprecedented rate.

That's why keep calm and see what comes next.

 

[El Sidd]

Why mention Christmas at all then?

Because it is December. If you take offense of it, i can refer the Hanukkah as well

 

[Attila the Hun]

Lol hilarious, considering how he was lambasting Pakistanis and tried to bring the Turks in and got owned.

I tell people I am Turkish and I always get strange looks. They say "wow , really, you have no beard" and then ask me if i want to bomb them. I say no this is not what my country is about. the Arabs and destroyed true Islam image. Back in the day Ottoman Empire was actually respected and so was Muslims. Now this is over.
@Philip the Arab you destroyed Islam buddy. I hate it!

 

[Philip the Arab]

Because it is December. If you take offense of it, i can refer the Hanukkah as well

Just say holiday season buddy.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Let us make this thing perfectly clear.

The largest Pakistani diaspora in the world is based in KSA/GCC. Millions of Pakistanis and their entire families have direct people to people relations with Arabs. Including 10.000's of intermarriages. On this forum alone we have 3-4 half Arab half Pakistani users.

The average Pakistani shares much more in common with the average Arab (in particular GCC) than the average Turk/Anatolian (unless they are Turkish Arabs) be it genetically, geographically (Oman is next door), culturally, appearance wise, alphabet, linguistic influence etc. Arabic is the largest contributor of Urdu and you can find significant Arabic influences in every native language of Pakistan. There is the Islamic/Muslim element too with Arabs being the first to spread Islam to modern-day Pakistan and later mostly Arab Sufis spreading it.

The elites of Pakistan and the GCC (military) also have much closer ties.

More importantly the elites of the GCC and the Pakistani elite does not always represent the Arab or Pakistani people.

Things are not ideal because neither of the two elites are fully representing the will of the people. Arabs and Pakistanis are not enemies and never were and never will be.

Not long ago KSA was voted the best ally among Pakistanis in Pakistan. This was posted on PDF as well.

As for this Erdogan claim, have in mind that Erdogan (MB) is at odds with KSA/Egypt/UAE/Sudan/Syria/Iraq/Bahrain/Algeria/Morocco/most of the Arab world currently. Not more than 2-3 years ago, Erdogan was calling Arabs/KSA brothers 24/7.

But look at it from KSA's part. We have been the most reliant ally of Pakistan. Helped you immensely economically (with little gain in return), funded your nuclear program, KSA and UAE were the only countries (along with China) to support you after the sanctions after the nuclear bomb test, hosts the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world (while KSA could easily have employed fellow Arabs, we don't lack Arabs, there are 550 million of us and quickly growing, let alone 1.7 billion Muslims to take from) etc.

To talk about Muslim unity while trying to undermine the OIC (where every Muslim country is a member) from 3 countries (Turkey where prostitution is legal, gay parades occur in public, large domestic alcohol/beer industry, recognized Israel, NATO (crusader alliance in most Muslims eyes at least on PDF), member, Qatar (no difference to KSA other than hosting the largest US base in the region, so much for being anti-West) and Malaysia (very pro-India with a lot of Indians) etc. Just because of some empty words about Kashmir that Pakistan (sorry to say it but Kashmir has been abandoned by the Pakistani state much like the Arab regimes have abandoned Palestine today) has failed at too.

KSA has a larger economy than Turkey but Turkey is not a small economy (20th largest in the world) as well but if KSA is such a demon, why does Turkey not host 4 million Pakistanis and help bail out Pakistan every single time like KSA has been doing? Where was Turkey during your most tested times?

All this after Pakistan decline to send a symbolic number of experienced mountain troops to Yemen that would be stationed across the almost 4000 meter tall Saudi Arabian-Yemeni border?

So not only should KSA be doing all that, it should look helplessly while the OIC is destroyed by people who claim to profess "Muslim unity". People cannot see the irony, I am afraid.

BTW this entire news is nonsense.

King Salman spoke with Mahathir and told him that there is already the OIC (every Muslim majority state is a member) where everyone can put forward every issue in the Muslim world and that there is no need to create more division in the Muslim world by creating organizations that will never be effective. You cannot talk about unity in such a fashion.

Not only that, I can only speak for Arabs, but most Arabs do not look favorably at Iranian foreign policy/meddling in the Arab world (only in weak Arab states that are at conflict, if anyone doubt the authenticity of that claim take a look at the massive anti-Iran protests among Iraqi Shia Arabs and Shia Arab Lebanese that have been ongoing for months) nor for that matter the Turkish meddling. Most Arabs do not subscribe to the MB model that Qatar is actively propagandizing along with Erdogan either. Egyptians are not content when wanted terrorists are broadcasting hatred while based in Turkey and Qatar and urging Egyptians to commit terrorist attacks against the Egyptian Arab Army which is respected by all Egyptians.

 

[waz]

Turks are not similar to real Turkic people from Central Asian, go do DNA tests and look at results and you will see yourself.

Pakistanis are not a white race, there is a lot of Dravidian admixture, and I will probably get banned for saying this but don't give 2 shits.

Up to 40% for Pakistanis.
Turks do also have Turkic DNA.

Where have I stated Pakistanis are a white race? Is that a special race in your eyes?

 

[Kaniska]

I will definitively refer our PDF to students ents who are doing reserch with cross cultural history...

 

[waz]

everything equal there is nothing wrong in prefering Arabs over non-Arabs. i feel non-Arabs will always be cheaper and more pliant than Arabs

That's your opinion and here's mine regarding being more ' cheaper and pliant' you speak rubbish.

Let us make this thing perfectly clear.

The largest Pakistani diaspora in the world is based in KSA/GCC. Millions of Pakistanis and their entire families have direct people to people relations with Arabs. Including 10.000's of intermarriages. On this forum alone we have 3-4 half Arab half Pakistani users.

The average Pakistani shares much more in common with the average Arab (in particular GCC) than the average Turk/Anatolian (unless they are Turkish Arabs) be it genetically, geographically (Oman is next door), culturally, appearance wise, alphabet, linguistic influence etc. Arabic is the largest contributor of Urdu and you can find significant Arabic influences in every native language of Pakistan. There is the Islamic/Muslim element too with Arabs being the first to spread Islam to modern-day Pakistan and later mostly Arab Sufis spreading it.

The elites of Pakistan and the GCC (military) also have much closer ties.

More importantly the elites of the GCC and the Pakistani elite does not always represent the Arab or Pakistani people.

Things are not ideal because neither of the two elites are fully representing the will of the people. Arabs and Pakistanis are not enemies and never were and never will be.

Not long ago KSA was voted the best ally among Pakistanis in Pakistan. This was posted on PDF as well.

As for this Erdogan claim, have in mind that Erdogan (MB) is at odds with KSA/Egypt/UAE/Sudan/Syria/Iraq/Bahrain/Algeria/Morocco/most of the Arab world currently. Not more than 2-3 years ago, Erdogan was calling Arabs/KSA brothers 24/7.

But look at it from KSA's part. We have been the most reliant ally of Pakistan. Helped you immensely economically (with little gain in return), funded your nuclear program, KSA and UAE were the only countries (along with China) to support you after the sanctions after the nuclear bomb test, hosts the largest Pakistani diaspora in the world (while KSA could easily have employed fellow Arabs, we don't lack Arabs, there are 550 million of us and quickly growing, let alone 1.7 billion Muslims to take from) etc.

To talk about Muslim unity while trying to undermine the OIC (where every Muslim country is a member) from 3 countries (Turkey where prostitution is legal, gay parades occur in public, large domestic alcohol/beer industry, recognized Israel, NATO (crusader alliance in most Muslims eyes at least on PDF), member, Qatar (no difference to KSA other than hosting the largest US base in the region, so much for being anti-West) and Malaysia (very pro-India with a lot of Indians) etc. Just because of some empty words about Kashmir that Pakistan (sorry to say it but Kashmir has been abandoned by the Pakistani state much like the Arab regimes have abandoned Palestine today) has failed at too.

KSA has a larger economy than Turkey but Turkey is not a small economy (20th largest in the world) as well but if KSA is such a demon, why does Turkey not host 4 million Pakistanis and help bail out Pakistan every single time like KSA has been doing? Where was Turkey during your most tested times?

All this after Pakistan decline to send a symbolic number of experienced mountain troops to Yemen that would be stationed across the almost 4000 meter tall Saudi Arabian-Yemeni border?

So not only should KSA be doing all that, it should look helplessly while the OIC is destroyed by people who claim to profess "Muslim unity". People cannot see the irony, I am afraid.

BTW this entire news is nonsense.

King Salman spoke with Mahathir and told him that there is already the OIC (every Muslim majority state is a member) where everyone can put forward every issue in the Muslim world and that there is no need to create more division in the Muslim world by creating organizations that will never be effective. You cannot talk about unity in such a fashion.

Not only that, I can only speak for Arabs, but most Arabs do not look favorably at Iranian foreign policy/meddling in the Arab world (only in weak Arab states that are at conflict, if anyone doubt the authenticity of that claim take a look at the massive anti-Iran protests among Iraqi Shia Arabs and Shia Arab Lebanese that have been ongoing for months) nor for that matter the Turkish meddling. Most Arabs do not subscribe to the MB model that Qatar is actively propagandizing along with Erdogan either. Egyptians are not content when wanted terrorists are broadcasting hatred while based in Turkey and Qatar and urging Egyptians to commit terrorist attacks against the Egyptian Arab Army which is respected by all Egyptians.

Storm in a tea cup, I agree the Saudis and Pakistan will always remain friends, brothers and allies. It's been part and parcel of Pakistan's DNA since it was conceived i.e. relations with Saudi take priority.

 

[El Sidd]

Just say holiday season buddy.

Happy Holi day

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

That's your opinion and here's mine regarding being more ' cheaper and pliant' you speak rubbish.



Storm in a tea cup, I agree the Saudis and Pakistan will always remain friends, brothers and allies. It's been part and parcel of Pakistan's DNA since it was conceived i.e. relations with Saudi take priority.

That's your opinion and here's mine regarding being more ' cheaper and pliant' you speak rubbish.



Storm in a tea cup, I agree the Saudis and Pakistan will always remain friends, brothers and allies. It's been part and parcel of Pakistan's DNA since it was conceived i.e. relations with Saudi take priority.

We Arabians are famous for our hospitality and Arabia has always been a welcoming region for every struggling people from the time of Sumerian kings seeking exile in the heartland of Arabia to Babylonian emperors having their winter capital in the ancient city of Tayma to every civilization from the Egyptian next door to others. Or the fact that Arabia has absorbed every ethnicity in the Muslim world.

To begin with the oldest trade partner of the IVC was Arabia (Magan, Dilmun).

To date Arabia hosts more foreign expats (compared to the population) than any other region of the planet. We even accepted and incorporated people with a completely different race (Africans) and accepted them as our own (Afro-Arabs).






Many locals are calling for neutralizing all expats born in KSA and who want to stay in KSA and become Saudi Arabian. A visit to Saudi Arabia reddit or any Saudi Arabian forum will confirm this.

So this racist nonsense from people who are many times more racist than Arabs, I cannot take seriously. If we Arabs are racist, everyone else in the Muslim world is.

I mean I grow up with fellow Hijazis with as varied origins as South East Asian (Indonesian, Malaysian), South Asian (Pakistan, India mainly), Caucasus (Circassian, Chechen, Dagestani), European (Bosnian and Albanian), Kurdish, Uzbek (one of the largest Uzbek diasporas in the world is located in KSA), Afro-Arabs from all corners of Africa and Arabs from all corners of the Arab world etc. Heck, even Iranians, our former mayor in Jeddah was of Persian origin who died earlier this year. Named Farsi.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1462126/saudi-arabia

But people forget that KSA/GCC are monarchies (absolute). We do not yet have political parties etc. for you to blame us for everything that is ill. As I wrote, the people do not always have any say on foreign policy/internal policy and similarly with Pakistan. At the end of the day, even in Pakistan, the military/elite often have the last word for good and bad.

I don't know what is going on with PDF, at what point in history were Arabs and Pakistanis ever enemies?

I am sick and tired of hearing the same dumb stereotypes that I expect people with no clue of the Arab world/Islam/Middle East to have (your average redneck in say Texas) being repeated by Pakistanis of all people on PDF about Arabs. In particular as half of the world (or even more people) have similar ignorant views about Pakistanis and Pakistan.

Either people on PDF do not represent Pakistanis at all or such statistics below are bogus;

Lastly as for those crying about conservative Islam = as of 2019, KSA Is far more liberal than the majority of Muslim countries. It only took MBS and a reversal of 40 years of anomaly to return, what we were pre 1979. So that argument belongs in the dustbin. Now with tourist visas available, every human on earth can visit and see for themselves, well-known Youtubers already took advantage of that.
It has come to a point where Pakistanis based in the West are criticizing KSA for opening up too much. So I don't want to hear about a time period that lasted less than 40 years ago, was not natural and is no longer relevant.