Enough with the racism against Bengalis on Fake Genocide Remembrance Day

[Ace of Spades]

either choose Islam and stay in your present borders.....or dissolve Islam from the subcontinent and increase your borders...I personally have no problem with Islam ..It is a great Arab racial religion...Islam is Arab through and through in character,thought,vision,scope,intellect and ambition

You are all over in your arguments. You comment stinks of fear and hate rather than reasoning.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Educate yourself about Bangladesh. I have provided you enough material on East Pakistan.

That is the only practical beneficial way ahead.

Same goes for you. Learn about west Pakistan, I’ve given enough materials to your friend here. Ask him

............So you don't care about 3 million bengalis being massacred by the Pakistani army and 10 million bengali women raped by them too................

Ofc I do. But I also care for the truth and being just. So let that be for allah to judge

40% of Pakistan's population is Pathan, Balouch, Kalash, Persian nomads etc. They have 0 connection to india and bare no resemblance to them whatsoever. They are genetically and racially similar to Afghans and a to a lesser extent, Iranians too. I know because I have been to Pakistan over 35 times and have seen countless indians in London as I live there. The Punjabis of Pakistan are now mixed with Pathans, Balouch, Kalash etc and have liitle in common with indian Punjabis who make up no more than 2% of india's population. Who in turn are now mixed in with indian hindus, south indians etc.

Man I see a future where you’ll deny any cross boundary movement happened during partition to make up this pseudo identity of racially pure beings
I’m ending arguing with you

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Same goes for you. Learn about west Pakistan, I’ve given enough materials to your friend here. Ask him


Ofc I do. But I also care for the truth and being just. So let that be for allah to judge


Man I see a future where you’ll deny any cross boundary movement happened during partition to make up this pseudo identity of racially pure beings
I’m ending arguing with you

We also share a long border with both Iran and Afghanistan and historically, for over 3000 years we have had cross-border links and relationships with them. That however does NOT make as Iranian or Afghan just as it doesn't make as indian.


NOW getting back to the REAL issue, WHERE is the GENUINE/CREDIBLE evidence that the Pakistani Army committed war crimes against bangladeshis in 1971? If it exists, then WHY didn't india, bangladesh or both of them present that evidence to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague? It sounds HIGHLY suspicious. NO-ONE since 1971 has managed to answer this question.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

You support a politician who blames Pakistani State for genocide anywhere it goes in official capacity, blames the state for creating al qaeda

and you will talk sense to me?

go do a dharna burn some effigies demand trade routes with India Mr. Niazist Baniye

We cannot move forward until we accept our mistakes.
What Imran parrots is a national narrative. The same narrative was parroted by sertaj Aziz. But with Imran it got a strong voice and is accepted and so Pakistan was now not seen as a nausence but as a part of a solution. As a state who is working towards betterment by excepting its mistakes.
There is nothing wrong with accepting what you did wrong. Only brave nations and brave people have that ability.
Besides narratives related to Afghanistan and India are dilevered on a peace of paper by the ghq which whatever the current pm would go and speak at the public forums. Nawaz sherif wanted to declare loc Indian Pakistan border and open trade. Our deep state do not want this. So this never happened. Even their own musharaf followed this, the deep state don't agree.
Even benazir understand and seek friendship but the deep state don't agree.
So rather then fighting the deep state fight with the deep state and that's what Imran is doing and that's is right for all. For kahsmir for Pakistan.
Besides I can understand the urge of nawaz and benazir to befriend India and declare line of control as permanat border because they know our army has until now not been able to do anything about kahsmir. Have not been able to capture it etc. So why this security situation that cost Pakistan billions. That's how politicians think. But what is wrong is that they have people like you believing that they consider India an enemy while all the time wanting to normalise relations and forget kahsmir.
A common guy like you would think that pm would order and pak army would go capture kahsmir by nightfall and so on.
Atleast he was not double faced. He was trying very hard to normalise relations and talk on kahsmir (he openly said when he would meet Indian delgation he would meet with his security establishment and isi cheif), and in 70s he is the only one that banged them hard and tarnished their carefully guarded image and kids like you are given freedom of expressions to come and talk about things far bigger then your intellect.

We cannot move forward until we accept our mistakes.
What Imran parrots is a national narrative. The same narrative was parroted by sertaj Aziz. But with Imran it got a strong voice and is accepted and so Pakistan was now not seen as a nausence but as a part of a solution. As a state who is working towards betterment by excepting its mistakes.
There is nothing wrong with accepting what you did wrong. Only brave nations and brave people have that ability.
Besides narratives related to Afghanistan and India are dilevered on a peace of paper by the ghq which whatever the current pm would go and speak at the public forums. Nawaz sherif wanted to declare loc Indian Pakistan border and open trade. Our deep state do not want this. So this never happened. Even their own musharaf followed this, the deep state don't agree.
Even benazir understand and seek friendship but the deep state don't agree.
So rather then fighting the deep state fight with the deep state and that's what Imran is doing and that's is right for all. For kahsmir for Pakistan.
Besides I can understand the urge of nawaz and benazir to befriend India and declare line of control as permanat border because they know our army has until now not been able to do anything about kahsmir. Have not been able to capture it etc. So why this security situation that cost Pakistan billions. That's how politicians think. But what is wrong is that they have people like you believing that they consider India an enemy while all the time wanting to normalise relations and forget kahsmir.
A common guy like you would think that pm would order and pak army would go capture kahsmir by nightfall and so on.
Atleast he was not double faced. He was trying very hard to normalise relations and talk on kahsmir (he openly said when he would meet Indian delgation he would meet with his security establishment and isi cheif), and in 70s he is the only one that banged them hard and tarnished their carefully guarded image and kids like you are given freedom of expressions to come and talk about things far bigger then your intellect.

Besides hassina is anti Pakistan. But it doesn't mean she would remain so.
That is the work of good diplomacy to make people work with you and when we Co dependent on each other we would think differently. For kids like you it's now or never. It's white and black. There is no middle ground for you do you. Why
Pakistan has lost so much for this zero sum game. Learn to befriend saudia and Iran at the same time as India does.
Learn to befriend uae and China at the same time.
Learn to befriend bangaldesh and lure them away from India. This present opportunity has already created a hate in bangaldeshi for India. Pakistan could use this opertunity more. Sending greeting sends a pakistan's positive message. That Pakistan is very pro Bengali. Make people change their way of thinking.

 

[El Sidd]

We cannot move forward until we accept our mistakes.
What Imran parrots is a national narrative. The same narrative was parroted by sertaj Aziz. But with Imran it got a strong voice and is accepted and so Pakistan was now not seen as a nausence but as a part of a solution. As a state who is working towards betterment by excepting its mistakes.
There is nothing wrong with accepting what you did wrong. Only brave nations and brave people have that ability.
Besides narratives related to Afghanistan and India are dilevered on a peace of paper by the ghq which whatever the current pm would go and speak at the public forums. Nawaz sherif wanted to declare loc Indian Pakistan border and open trade. Our deep state do not want this. So this never happened. Even their own musharaf followed this, the deep state don't agree.
Even benazir understand and seek friendship but the deep state don't agree.
So rather then fighting the deep state fight with the deep state and that's what Imran is doing and that's is right for all. For kahsmir for Pakistan.
Besides I can understand the urge of nawaz and benazir to befriend India and declare line of control as permanat border because they know our army has until now not been able to do anything about kahsmir. Have not been able to capture it etc. So why this security situation that cost Pakistan billions. That's how politicians think. But what is wrong is that they have people like you believing that they consider India an enemy while all the time wanting to normalise relations and forget kahsmir.
A common guy like you would think that pm would order and pak army would go capture kahsmir by nightfall and so on.
Atleast he was not double faced. He was trying very hard to normalise relations and talk on kahsmir (he openly said when he would meet Indian delgation he would meet with his security establishment and isi cheif), and in 70s he is the only one that banged them hard and tarnished their carefully guarded image and kids like you are given freedom of expressions to come and talk about things far bigger then your intellect

Irrelevant noise

Ask him

I do not need to

 

[leonblack08]

Which proves that no war crimes were committed by the Pakistan Army if even our enemies don't have any REAL CREDIBLE evidence against us. Just fairy tales.

I clearly remember sharing an excerpt from the Hamoodor Rahman Commission report to you in another thread, which was a Pakistan Govt. Authorized report.

And yet here you are with your blatant denial.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trut...adesh-war-missing.655880/page-3#post-12138399

"13. Still another significant statement came from Brigadier Mian Taskeenuddin (Witness No. 282): "Many junior and other officers took the law into their own hands to deal with the so-called miscreants. There have been cases of interrogation of miscreants that were far more severe in character than normal and in some cases blatantly in front of the public. The discipline of the Pakistani army as was generally understood had broken down. In a command area (Dhoom Ghat) between September and October miscreants were killed by firing squads. On coming to know about it I stopped the same forthwith."
https://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/upload-2014/freedomintheair/pdf/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report_Dawn (1).pdf

More from Pakistani Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1072331

And some more-

"10) Lt. Gen. A.A.K. Niazi, apparently in an endeavor to put the blame on his predecessor, then Lt. Gen. Tikka Khan, stated that "military action was based on the use of force primarily, and at many places indiscriminate use of force was resorted to which alienated the public against the Army. Damage done during those early days of the military action could never be repaired, and earned for the military leaders names such as "Changez Khan" and "Butcher of East Pakistan." While the military action was on, the then Martial Law Administration alienated the world press by unceremoniously hounding out foreign correspondents from East Pakistan, thus losing out in the propaganda war to the Indians completely. "He went on to add: "on the assumption of command I was very much concerned with the discipline of troops, and on 15th of April, 1971, that is within four days of my command, I addressed a letter to all formations located in the area and insisted that loot, rape, arson, killing of people at random must stop and a high standard of discipline should be maintained. I had come to know that looted material had been sent to West Pakistan which included cars, refrigerators and air conditioners etc."

http://img.dunyanews.tv/images/docss/hamoodur_rahman_commission_report.pdf


I will be first to admit that "3 million" did not die. The numbers don't add up with the condition. The numbers were exaggerated because of political reasons. BUT, thousands of people did die in the war. On both sides. Bengalis, Biharis and West Pakistanis. Atrocities were committed by both parties.

But if you continue to deny that, then you are nothing but a big fat Liar.

 

[VikingRaider]

Man I see a future where you’ll deny any cross boundary movement happened during partition to make up this pseudo identity of racially pure beings
I’m ending arguing with you

I appreciate your decision finally. No idea what made you push argument with the man who belong with an alien race.

 

[KaiserX]

I clearly remember sharing an excerpt from the Hamoodor Rahman Commission report to you in another thread, which was a Pakistan Govt. Authorized report.

And yet here you are with your blatant denial.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trut...adesh-war-missing.655880/page-3#post-12138399

"13. Still another significant statement came from Brigadier Mian Taskeenuddin (Witness No. 282): "Many junior and other officers took the law into their own hands to deal with the so-called miscreants. There have been cases of interrogation of miscreants that were far more severe in character than normal and in some cases blatantly in front of the public. The discipline of the Pakistani army as was generally understood had broken down. In a command area (Dhoom Ghat) between September and October miscreants were killed by firing squads. On coming to know about it I stopped the same forthwith."
https://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/upload-2014/freedomintheair/pdf/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report_Dawn (1).pdf

More from Pakistani Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1072331

And some more-

"10) Lt. Gen. A.A.K. Niazi, apparently in an endeavor to put the blame on his predecessor, then Lt. Gen. Tikka Khan, stated that "military action was based on the use of force primarily, and at many places indiscriminate use of force was resorted to which alienated the public against the Army. Damage done during those early days of the military action could never be repaired, and earned for the military leaders names such as "Changez Khan" and "Butcher of East Pakistan." While the military action was on, the then Martial Law Administration alienated the world press by unceremoniously hounding out foreign correspondents from East Pakistan, thus losing out in the propaganda war to the Indians completely. "He went on to add: "on the assumption of command I was very much concerned with the discipline of troops, and on 15th of April, 1971, that is within four days of my command, I addressed a letter to all formations located in the area and insisted that loot, rape, arson, killing of people at random must stop and a high standard of discipline should be maintained. I had come to know that looted material had been sent to West Pakistan which included cars, refrigerators and air conditioners etc."

http://img.dunyanews.tv/images/docss/hamoodur_rahman_commission_report.pdf


I will be first to admit that "3 million" did not die. The numbers don't add up with the condition. The numbers were exaggerated because of political reasons. BUT, thousands of people did die in the war. On both sides. Bengalis, Biharis and West Pakistanis. Atrocities were committed by both parties.

But if you continue to deny that, then you are nothing but a big fat Liar.

So what would bangladesh do today if a section of their nation in their territory rose up with the support of a foreign power and tried to besieg their nation?

Simply put you wont find anyone here more pro-bangladesh than me but Pakistan will not forget 1971... not because we have any sort of hatred but due to the sheer betrayal many of our former country men took. Not just that but the fact that your government continues to inflame tensions unnecessarily and tries to create bad blood in the heart of bengalis towards pakistan which honestly so far has been pretty successful.

And honestly it is our fault that we have not protected our people there. Many pakistanis do not even know the minority of bengalis who are still very pro pakistan including the islamist, biharis, and surprisingly the christians of bangladesh.. it is our national shame we left the to the mob

 

[padamchen]

the divide starts at Chenab ...The Partition was 97-99 percent right..if any thing if Gujarat,Sialkot,Lahore and Kasur came to India then Partition would have been perfect...The borders are baked solid...as long as Pakistan remains Islamic not a single square inch of the border would budge...and that is true even if whole of India were to turn Buddhist...only way Pakistan can hope for bigger borders if Islam dissolves from the subcontinent...but then again Pakistan won't sacrifice its majority religion for the sake of more land...Pakistan ka matlab kya and all that.....so I guess we all have to make do with the present division right from Siachen till the Rann of Kutch

I'm not getting this line of your argument.

Hypothetically, if suddenly Pakistan stops being "Islamic" (here too I am confused .... are you talking about the political nation construct or the people?) how are their borders going to magically shift and territory increase?

Who is going to give them that territory? The Afghans or the Iranians? The Chinese?

 

[leonblack08]

So what would bangladesh do today if a section of their nation in their territory rose up with the support of a foreign power and tried to besieg their nation?

Simply put you wont find anyone here more pro-bangladesh than me but Pakistan will not forget 1971... not because we have any sort of hatred but due to the sheer betrayal many of our former country men took. Not just that but the fact that your government continues to inflame tensions unnecessarily and tries to create bad blood in the heart of bengalis towards pakistan which honestly so far has been pretty successful.

And honestly it is our fault that we have not protected our people there. Many pakistanis do not even know the minority of bengalis who are still very pro pakistan including the islamist, biharis, and surprisingly the christians of bangladesh.. it is our national shame we left the to the mob

The situation in 1971 could have been diffused without getting the military involved. Political disagreements happen in every country. How many turns into a civil war?

We also had our share of revolters trying to split off part of our country, courtesy of the help from our "very friendly" neighbour. I am talking about insurgents in Chittagong fighting the Bangladesh army with support from RAW till 1997. It was resolved eventually with a peace treaty.

It is because of self-righteous, racist, greedy, incompetent and thick-headed leaders at the helm of Pakistan in 1971 which broke Pakistan apart. And some of the posters here, like the one I was responding to earlier, are so hateful and blatantly in denial. That is exactly the type of attitude that resulted in the break-up of the country.

BD governments since 1971 had been maintaining warm relations with Pakistan. It goes back Sheikh Mujib attending OIC summit in Lahore and Bhutto visiting Bangladesh in 1974. After his death, the relations with Pakistan became even warmer with successive Bangladesh governments.

Simply put, the recent strain happened because of the current govt. taking out political rivals from Jamaat and BNP, using 1971 war atrocities as an excuse. Pakistan Govt. protested and made some statements at that time, which technically was an internal matter in Bangladesh. This irked Sheikh Hasina and thus put a strain on the relationship. But even that is on the mend Alhamdulillah, if you are following the recent news closely.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I clearly remember sharing an excerpt from the Hamoodor Rahman Commission report to you in another thread, which was a Pakistan Govt. Authorized report.

And yet here you are with your blatant denial.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trut...adesh-war-missing.655880/page-3#post-12138399

"13. Still another significant statement came from Brigadier Mian Taskeenuddin (Witness No. 282): "Many junior and other officers took the law into their own hands to deal with the so-called miscreants. There have been cases of interrogation of miscreants that were far more severe in character than normal and in some cases blatantly in front of the public. The discipline of the Pakistani army as was generally understood had broken down. In a command area (Dhoom Ghat) between September and October miscreants were killed by firing squads. On coming to know about it I stopped the same forthwith."
https://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/upload-2014/freedomintheair/pdf/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report_Dawn (1).pdf

More from Pakistani Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1072331

And some more-

"10) Lt. Gen. A.A.K. Niazi, apparently in an endeavor to put the blame on his predecessor, then Lt. Gen. Tikka Khan, stated that "military action was based on the use of force primarily, and at many places indiscriminate use of force was resorted to which alienated the public against the Army. Damage done during those early days of the military action could never be repaired, and earned for the military leaders names such as "Changez Khan" and "Butcher of East Pakistan." While the military action was on, the then Martial Law Administration alienated the world press by unceremoniously hounding out foreign correspondents from East Pakistan, thus losing out in the propaganda war to the Indians completely. "He went on to add: "on the assumption of command I was very much concerned with the discipline of troops, and on 15th of April, 1971, that is within four days of my command, I addressed a letter to all formations located in the area and insisted that loot, rape, arson, killing of people at random must stop and a high standard of discipline should be maintained. I had come to know that looted material had been sent to West Pakistan which included cars, refrigerators and air conditioners etc."

http://img.dunyanews.tv/images/docss/hamoodur_rahman_commission_report.pdf


I will be first to admit that "3 million" did not die. The numbers don't add up with the condition. The numbers were exaggerated because of political reasons. BUT, thousands of people did die in the war. On both sides. Bengalis, Biharis and West Pakistanis. Atrocities were committed by both parties.

But if you continue to deny that, then you are nothing but a big fat Liar.

If the above evidence is compelling then why didn't the bengali or indian government present that evidence to the War Crimes tribunal at the Hague?..............

 

[Michael Corleone]

I appreciate your decision finally. No idea what made you push argument with the man who belong with an alien race.

Someone famous once said something along the lines of, it’s futile to argue with an idiot. I remembered that and stopped

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I appreciate your decision finally. No idea what made you push argument with the man who belong with an alien race.

So stating the fact that Pakistanis are racially different to indians and bengalis makes one an alien??????..........................so what does that make every other race on earth who is neither bengali or indian?.................but then again you also believe that 40,000 Pakistani troops killed 3 million bengalis and raped 10 million bengali women in 5 weeks in 1971.......

 

[VikingRaider]

but then again you also believe that 40,000 Pakistani troops killed 3 million bengalis and raped 10 million bengali women in 5 weeks in 1971...

Show me when and where did I say that I believe it. If you can't show then perform tauba and stop your useless ranting once and for all.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Someone famous once said something along the lines of, it’s futile to argue with an idiot. I remembered that and stopped

The biggest idiots believe that 40,000 Pakistani troops killed 3 million bengalis and raped 10 million bengali women in 5 weeks in 1971............

Show me when and where did I say that I believe it. If you can't show then perform tauba and stop your useless ranting once and for all.

So then you don't believe what the bengali and indian governments have been saying about the 1971 war???????..........