Enough Scandalizing Pakistan Army!!

[Placemat]

Well if it's useless then why not leave it to Kashmiris to solve it for themselves ? .

But India is afraid that Pak will overrun and focus terror on other regions of India. The end game for Pak into islamize India. That's why we need to build trust and unite the various armies to fight aliens and not among ourselves. In this kashmirt story is almost irrelevant.

Do you think after all the threats and the reality about PPP and PML-N , you still consider PA's role in political manufacturing to be wrong ?? . You are talking about as if everything in Pakistan was great and Army destroyed it ! .

Bro.. not that everything is great but as in India even democracy will be shitty. However there is something not right if army rules a countries except during emergencies or war.

 

[BATMAN]

PTI started it.

Imran Khan started it, at least that's what i get from old digital record.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Stop worshipping the Army. No one is against the Army as an institution, or the soldiers who serve in it for the sake of the country.

All of us are proud of our martyrs, and in forever love with the common soldiers who put their life on line.

But what some of us don't appreciate is when elements guide and use the institution for purposes the institution shouldn't be used i.e. political manufacturing.

Is that a concept so hard to understand? Just because our Army as an institution is indeed selfless, and our people have rendered countless sacrifices for the country in it, doesn't mean the Army should have no accountability, or questioning.

a country like Pakistan deserves a DANDAY wali government and send half of population to concentration camp where they are taught not to be haram kay pellay and only then this country can progress.

 

[M.Bison]

I have spoken to many karachiites and they talk disparaging about the P army . They think IK was propped up by Army and did not won the elections. Remember the delay in announcing results.

where do you talk to them? and how many have you spoken to?

 

[Placemat]

where do you talk to them? and how many have you spoken to?

In America, singapore and UK.

Also malaysia

 

[M.Bison]

In America, singapore and UK.

Also malaysia

How many have you spoken to?

 

[Placemat]

How many have you spoken to?

Maybe 6 to 10

In general I don't talk religion or politics with my pak friends

 

[M.Bison]

Maybe 6 to 10

Oh alright, I thought you had spoken to at least 200-300 maybe even more Karachiites. So when you say many karachiites you mean a few that don't live in Karachi.

 

[Placemat]

Oh alright, I thought you had spoken to at least 200-300 maybe even more Karachiites. So when you say many karachiites you mean a few that don't live in Karachi.

They are from Karachi. They would represent their families views which epild.evetsilly.bring that number to 100 plus

 

[M.Bison]

They are from Karachi. They would represent their families views which epild.evetsilly.bring that number to 100 plus

Do you believe in democracy?

 

[Placemat]

Do you believe in democracy?

Yes I do..

 

[M.Bison]

Yes I do..

Ok im glad you do. You should read about Imran khans politics in Karachi.

Bring that number up to 20k if you want it doesn't matter. The point is that you spoke to a few people outside of Karachi who shared an opinion with you that you have extrapolated to 14.91 million population of Karachi. Imran khan's PTI came with a mandate and won with 13/21 seats in Karachi's national assembly. PTI is a major political party in Karachi and has grassroots level support that joined since PTI's inception.

The army has nothing to do with Imran khans "selection". His party won the national election because his message resonated with the majority inside of Pakistan. As a supporter of democracy, you of all people should understand and support how he was elected..

I don't know your education level but honestly, you sound really stupid. When people spew opinions on to you, it is your responsibility to read and check the facts. I don't know how it is done in India but around the rest of the world, people read and form their own opinions instead of passing around lies.

 

[Placemat]

Ok im glad you do. You should read about Imran khans politics in Karachi.

Bring that number up to 20k if you want it doesn't matter. The point is that you spoke to a few people outside of Karachi who shared an opinion with you that you have extrapolated to 14.91 million population of Karachi. Imran khan's PTI came with a mandate and won with 13/21 seats in Karachi's national assembly. PTI is a major political party in Karachi and has grassroots level support that joined since PTI's inception.

The army has nothing to do with Imran khans "selection". His party won the national election because his message resonated with the majority inside of Pakistan. As a supporter of democracy, you of all people should understand and support how he was elected..

I don't know your education level but honestly, you sound really stupid. When people spew opinions on to you, it is your responsibility to read and check the facts. I don't know how it is done in India but around the rest of the world, people read and form their own opinions instead of passing around lies.

Thanks will do so. Please tell IK to stop calling names about BJP too.

 

[M.Bison]

Maybe 6 to 10

In general I don't talk religion or politics with my pak friends

Its interesting that you dont talk politics with your pak friends but you want to talk politics here...

Thanks will do so. Please tell IK to stop calling names about BJP too.

What does BJP have to do with the conversation that we are having?

We are talking about your "karachiites" who say that Imran khan was selected by the army and your proof is that there was a delay in the election calling.

What is your problem with Imran khan's views on the BJP government?

 

[Mav3rick]

What toxic hate these politicians have against Pakistan Army? JUI, PMLN, PPP and Achakzais' and Bizenjos'?
JUI, PMLN, and PPP all have had accepted help from PA and today, look their disgusting language against PA. Irrespective of the occasion from Mujhe kuyun Nikala to this so called Azadi March, they wont let go any chance to abuse Pakistan Army. These young boys gave their lives against most desperate terrorists in the rugged mountains of ex FATA and Baluchistan, saved Pakistan from becoming a Syria, Iraq, Libya or Yemen, shattered plans to balkanize Pakistan by 2012.
Govt should move election commission against all these politicians who scandalize PA and they should be tried for sedition. THEY WILL SHUT UP ONLY THEN.

I think the politicians have a bone of contention with just the Military leadership, not with the entire Army.

As you rightly said, these politicians have repeatedly accepted help from the Military leadership; in the same sentence you must also address the fact that the Military leadership has assisted politicians which they want to support and have made and broken alliances and Governments. Which part of the constitution gives mandate to the Military leadership to provide extra-judicial assistance to their favorite politicians?

The thing is, Military leadership is NOT immune to mistakes and when they become too rigid the tend to make mistakes more often then not. Their attempt to correct those mistakes too leads to other mistakes very often. And in the process they have to influence politicians, judiciary, bureaucracy, media etc.

In my opinion, the involvement of Military leadership in extra-judicial assistance to politicians and exertion of influence on other institutions and individuals need to be stopped. However, the Military leadership should be mandated to protect the interests of the country, overtly and within the jurisdiction of the constitution.

How could Army as an institution was responsible. It was one person, the COAS and a coterie. Yahya wanted to keep power in his hands and Bhutto and Mujeeb had their own interests in dismembering Pakistan. But that was one thing, the whole country was responsible for 71 debacle. Everyone used bad l language against Bengalis. But army has to follow orders of the high command they have no other choice. We cant destry Army's discipline. For few generals, whole army cant be abused. In a country like Pakistan, army will always have an overt or covert role.

Bengalis claim that the Army was involved in murdering of highly educated innocent civilians, Professors, Doctors, Accountants etc. and raping of women. If that is an iota of truth to this, does it then mean that the Army allows raping, pillaging and executions? I am sure the Military too would have a mechanism to report abuse/misuse of authority to the higher command, for corrective measures.

India should thank her stars that IA did not behave the way Pak army did otherwise India would be long split up. In fact we should move towards countries with out armies and build that trust with agreements. Armies are so medieval. We should start having an interplanetary force.

Against whom?? Aliens?

Most of them are the same people who were followers of Altaf Hussein who was an open traitor and criminal. And most of the remaining ones happen to be still producing Bhuttos from their houses and just not letting him rest in his grave. Sane and logical Krachiites are rare to come across although you do once in a while.
Karachi is like your Mumbai, you have people who are not as civilized or mannered as you would have in your north for example. Ghutka and use of abusive/ill mannered language is just a norm.

This is me speaking of my own experiences/impressions of dealing with and knowing people who belonged to Karachi while I've not been to Karachi yet.

You seem to have a lot of knowledge about Karachittes despite not having visited Karachi ever, and a strong opinion too which reeks of bias and ethnicity. And before you start labeling followers of Altaf Hussain as traitors, you need to label the Army as traitor for forming and supporting MQM; from inception of MQM to Musharraf!

And this is the dilemma of this country, label anyone a terrorist and a traitor when he/she is no longer useful or is demanding 'rights'.