Egypt finalizes deal with Pakistan to jointly manufacture Raad and Babur-class cruise missiles

[Basel]

Egypt is finalizing a joint manufacturing deal with Pakistan for the Raad and Babur-class cruise missiles, after India refused, under pressure from Israel, to sell the BrahMos missile to Egypt

General Muhammad Zaki, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and Minister of Defense and Military Production, had met with General Nadim Raza, Chairman of the Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff and his accompanying delegation, who visited Egypt recently.

The meeting dealt with a number of issues of common interest in light of the fields of military cooperation and the transfer and exchange of experiences between the Egyptian and Pakistani armed forces.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces also stressed Egypt's pride in its solid relations with the State of Pakistan, and the General Command of the Armed Forces' keenness to increase cooperation and partnership in various military and security fields.

The Chairman of the Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff affirmed his country's keenness to support prospects for military cooperation with Egypt during the next stage, and his deep appreciation for the efforts of the Egyptian armed forces in all fields.


Thunder RAAD-II

The Raad-II is said to be Pakistan's response to the Brahmos and Nirbhay Indian cruise missiles that have the ability to hit targets from great distances. Pakistani experts said the missile would allow the Pakistan Air Force to attack Indian targets from within the Pakistani border.

First unveiled on March 23, 2017, during a major military parade, the RAAD-II is being developed as part of a broader effort by Pakistan to diversify its nuclear weapons delivery capabilities. Other recently tested nuclear weapon delivery systems have included strategic missile systems such as the Shaheen II, and the submarine-launched Babur III nuclear-capable missile as well as the Nasr nuclear missile.

The JF-17 is expected to eventually integrate the RAAD-II Thunder missile to complement cruise missiles in any prospective encounter—perhaps the JF-17B that can accommodate dual-seat weapons systems that are more suited to a nuclear strike role.

The airborne Ra'ad-II missile, which was developed by the Pakistan Air Weapons Complex AWC and the National Engineering and Science Commission (NESCOM), has been tested and launched from a Mirage-III aircraft and successfully hit its target. The Pakistan Army Information Committee said in a statement that the missile is equipped with guidance and navigation systems that ensure high-accuracy target engagement.

The RAAD-II Thunder has a range of about 600 km.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/06/20/مصر-تضع-اللمسات-الأخيرة-في-صفقة-تصنيع-م/

How Pakistan can do JV or sell a missile with over 300km range, we may get hit by sanctions from US and it's allies.

 

[Awan68]

These are as lethal as weapons can get, no one in thier right minds would let these be exported.

 

[waz]

It's not accurate. We have yet to expand our own production facilities, we're not going to help Egypt or anyone else build one (unless Egypt's shuttling us 72 Typhoo T4s, 4 A330 MRTTs, and prime real-estate in their new capital city for PIA, and a golf club with BBQ).

Thought not.

 

[Basel]

Not joint manufacturing but Pakistan to provide Egypt with Babur and Raad, get the terminology right and this is seriously not okay to give such sensitive tech to Egypt, i hope they would be massively watered down versions of the real thing.

We should not share tech or sell CMs to any country who is friend of India or Israel, it's very stupid to do.

 

[razgriz19]

If Egypt is purchasing Babur they wouldn't buy the oldest model.

Any improvements made to the missile until now would be part of the deal

first babur was tested in 2005 so its possible to sale them as tech is already 15 years old

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

nice story I will wait till a formal announcement comes , I thought it is something like a Military base for Pakistani/ Turkish military in Jordan or Gaza.

This seems like just sale of defense article

 

[araz]

this is utter bullshit and false.

I was thinking about this. Even if we are not MRTC signatory it would be irresponsible act to sell 450-700kms air launched missiles. We could help Egypt set up their own CMs but even then it would be risky. Now what I think is that this was let out to get some support from somewhere for a deal Pak wants with the US. As against that we will withdraw this offer. However in spite of that it appears a bit far fetched.
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[The SC]

How Pakistan can do JV or sell a missile with over 300km range, we may get hit by sanctions from US and it's allies.

Russians did it with India for Brahmos..it is feasible..

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Good deal on both ends and it suits both players I don't see why not... Lets do this

 

[araz]

Who hurt your vagina.. This is great deals for both countries. If Egypt gets boosted what loss is it to you.. You get paid if you don't like it that makes you pro-Israel ironically.....

Firstly this is a civilized forum where crass conversation is discouraged. Secondly it is against MRTC regime to sell missiles beyond 290kms range. We will invite sanctions and it would be stupid. What we can do is sell them range restricted missiles but let them increase the range themselves. Even then it is a risky move which will invite unwanted attention.
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[ACE OF HEARTS]

Just like Pakistan bypasses MTCR by IMPORTING KITS and assembling aka JV / TOT, maybe similar route is taken to avoid sanctions.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Firstly this is a civilized forum where crass conversation is discouraged. Secondly it is against MRTC regime to sell missiles beyond 290kms range. We will invite sanctions and it would be stupid. What we can do is sell them range restricted missiles but let them increase the range themselves. Even then it is a risky move which will invite unwanted attention.
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Look it is joint venture it is technically locally produced missile. There is nothing to worry about there it is gonna be Egyptian product locally. There is no desire for them to purchase and just the same deal that was offered to India and under the same conditions. It is locally assisted and build..

 

[Amavous]

Don't know how accurate this news is, but Pakistan is certainly cozying up to Egypt if we look at the past 10 years. They already have an assembly line for K8 and they also operate rafales something PAF would like to have its hands on. So history & incentives are there apart from $$ Pakistan can make.

Still importing missiles like Babur & RAAD does not seem plausible given the current Pak-Saudi relations. Unless Saudi nod/finances are involved any such deal is impossible anyway.

 

[khansaheeb]

Egypt is finalizing a joint manufacturing deal with Pakistan for the Raad and Babur-class cruise missiles, after India refused, under pressure from Israel, to sell the BrahMos missile to Egypt

General Muhammad Zaki, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and Minister of Defense and Military Production, had met with General Nadim Raza, Chairman of the Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff and his accompanying delegation, who visited Egypt recently.

The meeting dealt with a number of issues of common interest in light of the fields of military cooperation and the transfer and exchange of experiences between the Egyptian and Pakistani armed forces.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces also stressed Egypt's pride in its solid relations with the State of Pakistan, and the General Command of the Armed Forces' keenness to increase cooperation and partnership in various military and security fields.

The Chairman of the Pakistani Joint Chiefs of Staff affirmed his country's keenness to support prospects for military cooperation with Egypt during the next stage, and his deep appreciation for the efforts of the Egyptian armed forces in all fields.


Thunder RAAD-II

The Raad-II is said to be Pakistan's response to the Brahmos and Nirbhay Indian cruise missiles that have the ability to hit targets from great distances. Pakistani experts said the missile would allow the Pakistan Air Force to attack Indian targets from within the Pakistani border.

First unveiled on March 23, 2017, during a major military parade, the RAAD-II is being developed as part of a broader effort by Pakistan to diversify its nuclear weapons delivery capabilities. Other recently tested nuclear weapon delivery systems have included strategic missile systems such as the Shaheen II, and the submarine-launched Babur III nuclear-capable missile as well as the Nasr nuclear missile.

The JF-17 is expected to eventually integrate the RAAD-II Thunder missile to complement cruise missiles in any prospective encounter—perhaps the JF-17B that can accommodate dual-seat weapons systems that are more suited to a nuclear strike role.

The airborne Ra'ad-II missile, which was developed by the Pakistan Air Weapons Complex AWC and the National Engineering and Science Commission (NESCOM), has been tested and launched from a Mirage-III aircraft and successfully hit its target. The Pakistan Army Information Committee said in a statement that the missile is equipped with guidance and navigation systems that ensure high-accuracy target engagement.

The RAAD-II Thunder has a range of about 600 km.


https://www.defense-arabic.com/2021/06/20/مصر-تضع-اللمسات-الأخيرة-في-صفقة-تصنيع-م/

Lets make a similar deal with Iran and Turkey.

 

[The SC]

@The SC is this an authentic source? Are you confident about this news?

No smoke without fire..I'm positive about it..Too many meetings between top generals of both countries recently and the last meeting between The Pakistani top General was with President El Sisi himself.. that does not happen for nothing.. this means that China has agreed to establish a production line for the JF-17 BLK III.. This is just the entry.. not the full meal..