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Since mursi is so much loved and legitimate, how about another election?
I was one of the 51% votes of mursi. My whole family voted for him.
The polls showed that less than 25% of the Egyptian electorate participated. Normally election should have been cancelled then and another one scheduled. El Ikhwan were put there by other interests than the Egyptian one.
 
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French foreign minister asks Egypt to free Morsi and stop violence
in the same speech he said it is important to give weapons to the "right" rebels in Syria (for the hundred time he said it)

The french are always a day late and a dollars short.
Egyptian reply...
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I had no idea Berbers are funny..
Turkey is in Asia.. yakhi.Khorga sowda! yakhi
 
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I know, the military claimed they were attacked with US made ballistic shells. Here's one of the sources:

Egyptian soldier killed in Rafah attack | Maan News Agency

On Sunday, gunmen fired US-made ballistic shells at a security building in north Sinai, Egypt's Ministry of Interior said.

"Terrorists targeted the security directorate of north of Sinai from a long distance," the ministry said. Security sources detained three suspects in Sinai, after clashing with two of them.


The only source for news and statements is its official spokesman and not "military officials".



The videos and pictures of that event were already proven to be insignificant. The soldiers held Morsi pictures after they were met by protesters in front of the media city and promptly asked them to leave which they did. The air force "commander" who wore the rank of a first lieutenant IIRC was arrested and charged as he wasn't a real officer.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20945844

Eventually they donated over 8Billion dollars.

Sisi ousting the MB related people from the army (Hamza Abu Alaa Madi son of an islamist leader in jail ) , the police already r doing the same .
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A conscript is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Sisi doesnt have anything to do with firing people. The decision was probably taken by his CO or drill instructor.
 
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Israeli ambassador calls Al-Sisi a "national hero for all Jews" -

The Israeli ambassador in Cairo has told a minister in the interim government that the people of Israel look upon General Abdul-Fattah Al-Sisi as a "national hero". According to Israel Radio, the ambassador rang Agriculture Minister Ayman Abu-Hadid to congratulate him on his new post and said, "Al-Sisi is not a national hero for Egypt, but for all Jews in Israel and around the globe."

Israel is looking forward to the launch of new relationships with Egypt, said Yaakov Amitai, as well as joint efforts in the war on terror. His mention of "terror" is understood to be an oblique reference to President Mohamed Morsi’s supporters protesting against the coup which removed him from office.

The two men agreed on the resumption of the work of the Supreme Egyptian-Israeli Agricultural Committee. Meetings of the committee are held alternately in Cairo and Tel Aviv every six months. They also agreed to reactivate the Egyptian branch of the Future Leaders Network, which includes Egyptian, Jordanian, Palestinian and Israeli youths.
Israeli ambassador calls Al-Sisi a "national hero for all Jews"

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At least Sisi never called Shimon Peres his dear friend.
 
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It's about the ranking, majority of the top officials are seculars so I think it's impossible to remove Pissi. Also, ex Gen Tantawi who removed Mubarak was a secular. It's too unrealistic to confront the Egyptian army but they are divided as well and remember, economically, MB has Qatar, AKP and Islamic parties like Gamal Islamiya international only who recieves fund from them so that's not enough compared to the army who has a powerful ally KSA, UAE and America. If you're thinking of why the Free Syrian Army was easily planned. It's because 85% of the army were Suuni Muslims before the civil war started so that's why they defected quickly, only to refused orders from Assad to kill their majority brothers and sisters. Oh, Egypt has one of the world most prominent scholars like Sheikh Muhammad Hassan who issued a fatwa last month on jihad in Syria infront of 70 world top scholars, Ya'quob or Keweni etc that has followers. They could do a 'fatwa' on solving the Egypt's issue and what should the people do which is a legal binding. Qaradawi already did, I think they answered his call by staying outside. If more killed, then what will happen? The people are still outside so what choice do the army have? it will lead to economical problem, government corruption and bloodshed .

Morsi supporters hold fresh Egypt protests - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Remembered the post video here of the airforce commander who supported Morsi. Can't find it on YT now :/

Perhaps Morsi made some blunders and enemies of MB took him down. Now what?

MB is continuing to protest, as you said following Qaradawi's fatwa. And Sisi is continuing to crack down reviving Mubarak era secret police:
Egypt restores feared secret police units | World news | The Guardian

Catherine Ashton is trying to bring the parties together in some sort of inclusive political deal:
'Inclusive' political solution urged in Egypt - CNN.com
EU envoy launches another attempt to cool tensions in Egypt - World News

The Salafist Nour Party — which swept parliamentary elections with the Muslim Brotherhood after the Arab Spring uprising in 2001 but initially accepted the interim government earlier this month — issued its strongest criticism yet on Monday, saying security forces were revisiting what it called "the 'Hitlerite' and fascist practices" of the past.

Galal al-Morra, the party's secretary general, told reporters that the new government appeared intent on "persecuting" and "marginalizing" Islamists, the Middle East News Agency reported.
"The people who have gained their freedom will not let go of it," he said.

I would not trust EU or USA to do any positive work. It is USA who keeps the Army as the last arbiter of power always in its pocket using aid money, to protect US and Israeli interest. And EU is just following US directives mostly.

Is it possible for the Gulf Monarchs to lead an Arab League peace initiative that will look like the following:

1. Give a stern warning to Sisi to stop the bloodshed, stop repressing the MB leaders, release them from jail, allow them to continue their protest to vent their frustration, to press for any demand in a peaceful way and if anyone goes violent, deal with them in a non-lethal way

2. Bring all sides of the political divide, including MB, to solve the immediate problems, like:
- rewriting a new constitution
- hold a referendum on the new constitution
- plan for new presidential and parliamentary elections
- make sure MB agrees to participate in these elections
- make sure that Army (supported by the West) does not involve in rigging to install their puppet politicians in power
- create poll watching orgs with experienced and credible individuals from Arab League, OIC and other neutral countries friendly to Muslims

The goal should be to convince MB to leave the path of confrontation with a promise of a fair and rig-free elections, repression-free political process and actually deliver on that promise. Hopefully Gulf countries will be able to force Sisi on these issues using the $12B aid money as leverage.

The above could be a blue print to solve the trust deficit between GCC countries and MB, which is going to be good for long term stability of GCC as well as all other countries in Arab League.
 
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An excellent analysis of current situation in Egypt:

BBC News - How can Egypt get out of crisis?

How can Egypt get out of crisis?
By Gerald Butt
Middle East analyst
29 July 2013

Egypt must brace itself for many more days, if not weeks, of political turmoil and violence. But there are no signs at this stage that a Syria-style conflict will engulf the country.

Egyptians are discovering in a more public and painful way than other Arab Spring states that removing long-standing authoritarian rule is a lot easier than replacing it with another system of governance.

The priority of the popular uprisings was to topple dictatorships, and little thought was given to what might come next.

The general assumption was that freeing Arab countries from autocracy would automatically herald democracy. But this is where the Arab Spring has come unstuck. For a prerequisite of democracy is politics.

In order for politics to flourish one needs open debate. Yet open debate is not easy to achieve in a country like Egypt where there is no tradition, from school onwards, of the frank analysis of ideas, and the free and peaceful exchange of opinions.

In the absence of all the above, Egypt is floundering as it seeks to create a post-Mubarak political system. The most dangerous symptom of this is polarisation and the absence of willingness to compromise for the sake of the country as a whole.

The political process since the fall of ousted former leader Hosni Mubarak has served only to emphasise the schism in Egyptian society. The Muslim Brotherhood won elections, but then failed to persuade millions of Egyptians that their policies were inclusive.

The army responded to popular dissatisfaction with President Mohammed Morsi by toppling the Muslim Brotherhood administration and thereby alienating something between a third and half the population.

That, surely, should have been the moment for calm attempts at political reconciliation. But, with Mr Morsi under lock and key and with clashes between rival groups on the streets, the military made what was arguably the most damaging decision of all: it urged anti-Morsi protesters to stage a mass rally to give the army a popular mandate to take tough measures against its opponents.

In a stroke, this announcement cut the legs off the ailing figure of Egyptian democracy - for it sanctified the street as the main platform for politics, with force of numbers, rocks, tear gas and bullets taking the place of rational debate.

Bruising confrontation

The formidable challenge for Egypt today is to rescue politics from the street as the first step towards national reconciliation. The problem is finding the means to achieve this.

Until Mohammed Morsi was ousted, the army was regarded as the sole political arbiter in Egypt
The military shows no signs of backing down. Rather, it is stepping up pressure on the Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters, arresting its leaders and threatening to disperse demonstrators.

The Brotherhood, for its part, insists that protests will continue until the military-backed government steps down and the democratically elected one is returned to power. The killings of dozens of Islamists in clashes with the army have only hardened attitudes.

Up until the ousting of Mr Morsi on 3 July, the army was regarded as the sole political arbiter in Egypt. With the military now siding with the anti-Morsi camp, it has lost that role.

No other Egyptian institution or individual appears to be able to take it on.

Arab mediation is unlikely, given the schism in the region over the army's move, with a number of states delighted to see the Muslim Brotherhood and political Islam humiliated.

Diplomatic intervention from outside the region is likely to be viewed by both entrenched sides as unwarranted interference.

So in the short term, there seems little hope for anything other than bruising street confrontations between Morsi supporters on one side, and the military (and anti-Morsi crowds) on the other.

Full-scale civil war in the traditional sense will be avoided simply because the Islamists lack the fire power and armaments for a full confrontation with the army. Also, unlike Syria, regional powers have no vested interests in stoking the conflict.

Hope?
Nevertheless, continuing violence will mean yet more chaos, leading to increased disruption to the economy and daily life.

Herein, perhaps, lies a glimmer of hope.

Soaring unemployment and poverty might in the end force Egyptians to put aside their differences and demand that their leaders do the same to save the whole country from social and economic collapse.

At that point, Egypt will still need men and women courageous enough to encourage free and inclusive debate, thus laying the foundations of politics and democracy that the country and all Arab Spring countries desperately need.
 
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Force is the only thing they understand. We lived thru that. The reaction of the Egyptian army, although hard to comprehend, is understandable. MB's and Muslim fundamentalist are like the bad weed, if you don't uproot it, it will take over your lawn...Some of you have seen this....
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Taken in Algeria after the Bentalha massacre. The Egyptian MB's cheered...That is reminder for the Egyptian fellow contributor of this forum, wise up...


Not that innocent...

are you mad? the BenTalha massacare had NOTHING to do with the MB. it was in Algeria! Its like saying, Oh, the Egypt Army is so crap cause its supported by USA who cheered/orchestraded all MASSACARES IN ISRAEL (btw, israel is also an ally of Egypt Army.. :p)
 
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are you mad? the BenTalha massacare had NOTHING to do with the MB. it was in Algeria!

The MB is an international organization which inspired Islamist's around the world to set up their own political/religious organizations after it gained (some) support and following in the nation it originated in, Egypt.

Oh, the Egypt Army is so crap cause its supported by USA who cheered/orchestraded all MASSACARES IN ISRAEL

The Egyptian military is an institution and isn't an international political movement and it has never voiced public opinions on American foreign policy (either cheering it or condemning it), however, what it has done is sacrifice Egyptians for the land you just mentioned.

(btw, israel is also an ally of Egypt Army.. :p)

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Mohammed Khaled, 26 years old . burnt alive by thugs


This incident was found to be completely unrelated to the current political crisis. Two Copts were murdered that day and some idiots sought revenge and targeted Islamists. They came across this innocent individual and his shop and they murdered him. The victim had no relation with the MB nor was he an Islamist.
 
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are you mad? the BenTalha massacare had NOTHING to do with the MB. it was in Algeria!
Get real, the MB are an Egyptian creation, but they have offshoots in every country where Islam is practiced.

Its like saying, Oh, the Egypt Army is so crap cause its supported by USA who cheered/orchestraded all MASSACARES IN ISRAEL (btw, israel is also an ally of Egypt Army.. :p)

Egypt, having diplomatic relations with Israel does not mean they are Allies...Army of a country can be an ally a foreign government.
 
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So, it's not in the ME Berber?:lol: And please, use Engless, Berber language is dead as you know, nobody knows it.
Dead in your eyes only...It is alive and well
 
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The end is near.... Let me quote Mr. George W. Bush: "you're either with us, or against us". You don't need anybody's or country's approval to fight terrorism and and stop violence, killing, and kidnapping. I understand that a lot of Muslims are sympathetic toward the Muslim Brotherhood, but you guys need to realize that they are nothing to be proud of to the extent that a big portion of an ultra conservative society like the Egyptian society is asking for a stop to using religion in politics. You guys should stand with the Egyptian people, not with a political party. Either way, its over for the Islamists and my advice to you guys to stand with freedom, human rights, women rights, equality, ect.... If you don't, its your loss. We(Egyptians) are determined to end terrorism and violence in our country and put our country on the right path of development and progress.
 
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