DRDO ready to deliver AEW&C to Air Force

[Green Angel]

how many Erieye are left with the PAF
coz TTP did succeeded in damaging dem

Check your numbers of submarines,save remaining from your self destruction ................
Like you did with Sindhurakshak

 

[kurup]

Check your numbers of submarines,save remaining from your self destruction ................
Like you did with Sindhurakshak

Before making fun of others you should remember that one of your sub is still under BoB near Visakhapatnam .

 

[narcon]

Check your numbers of submarines,save remaining from your self destruction ................
Like you did with Sindhurakshak

India is credit worthy!
several Scorpenes are in the pipeline.
Nuclear sub doing its errands to be ready.
India building Aircraft carriers.
Nationalist government is at the helm.
What have you got>?
Paying your dues after getting one more IMF/WB loan?
Polio? Shame...

 

[Green Angel]

India is credit worthy!
several Scorpenes are in the pipeline.
Nuclear sub doing its errands to be ready.
India building Aircraft carriers.
Nationalist government is at the helm.
What have you got>?
Paying your dues after getting one more IMF/WB loan?
Polio? Shame...

Atleast we don't have Modi Sarkar type people?

 

[narcon]

Atleast we don't have Modi Sarkar type people?

Mr. 10% left Govt, who succeeded ...?
Millionaire?
Where he got his money?
Mr. Modi does not have money..
See the difference?

 

[Gessler]

@Bratva - You are just repeating what has already been posted & discussed. It's no use claiming x detection range
for fighter-size target without mentioning the RCS value. Different firms use different RCS value as the benchmark,
it also keeps changes with the times. For LSTAR, figures are given for a 2 sq m target, which is well below the 3-6 sq m
RCS that usually fighters with externally-carried payload have.

What RCS does Erieye consider as "fighter-sized target" ?

But I'm only discussing with what I know as a matter of fact - I'm not assuming anything out of thin air. Also, it's no use
posting PR documents, all the features listed there are universally present on all AEW&C aircraft.

--

Even while discussing within the proven facts : LSTAR AEW&CS easily is ahead of Erieye in terms of T/R count,
power output, situational awareness systems, wider spectrum of radar-bands, and aircraft's performance in general. Being linked up with our satellite network, it can also make use of SATCOM to it's full extent.

As of Erieye power absorption...http://www.dias.unina.it/EWADE2011/Presentations/Session_3/05_DiMeo_Fioriti_EWADE_2011.pdf

It's a relatively new article from 2011. You can calculate the kVa to kW value yourself if you want. While the difference
between absorption & output is unlikely to be very large, the LSTAR does around 248 kW while the likes of E-3 Sentry
operate in the Megawatt range (1mW is 1,000kW).

@Gessler

Regarding Chinese KJ-200, that was started sometime ago, late 90s and tested in mid 2000s, at that time our military was still pretty primitive. You can see it by still using a beam system.

I don't know the full specs of either and even if we did, how can we confirm they are secret.

But what we could conclude is that the Chinese Y-8 is significantly larger, the load is about the same weight as your entire aircraft, the range is double, the duration is more than double, because yours is faster.

So what we can conclude base on this is that the KJ-200 will be in the air longer, and can carry more equipment and staff.

Indian one is probably more modern, but with its limited space, only so much can be done.

I don't understand why India didn't use American's super Hercules for it, seems much better.

IAF isn't really a fan of turboprop aircraft being the base for AWACS planes.

I think project airavat was cancelled because of instability of the platform, and not because of the radar. Isn't?

Yes. A suitable plane wasn't found then...what with all the sanctions on our head. When
we did find a plane, that tech was obsolete. Hence the new AESA-based radar.

 

[Friei Indien]

Carry on with this self-congratulation thread.

Sometimes I wonder at the level of education of Indians in PDF.

I am out of here so don't let me stop you trying to claim that India can make world-class AWACs at first attempt.

tell u know what.. u are a seasoned troll. if u dont have anything meaningful to conribute in discussions kindly keep away from threads related to India affairs. and as for your "first attempt" nonsense talk, we put spacecraft in mars's orbit in our very first attemp, tested Agni 5 missile in very attempt. list goes on to SSBN, Aircraft Carrier etc, but to talk to a ignorant fool that you are, would be a waste of time.

 

[sancho]

Yup.
In RADAR and SONAR systems DRDO has been quite successful.
Another AESA RADAR that the IAF has inducted is the Arudhra.
It has the same detection range 300Km for 2m^2 sized target.
DRDO developed Arudhra AESA radar inducted in IAF
EDIT:
The source is http://mod.gov.in/writereaddata/AR_2013/Eng/ch8.pdf
Refer page 106 under section 8.15 Electric Systems

The source for the AWACS radar (and you can't realy take specs of ground radars as the same base for specs of other radars) says 200Km for 2m², while the extended range is 300Km, which doesn't mean for the same target size. Also when you compare the 200Km, it's actually not that good, since the Erieye specs shows a similar range (around 180Km) for a cruise missile size target, which usually is rated arount 1m². Beriev, the manufacturer of the A50 AWACS plattform gives a detection range for cruise missiles with a 1m² target at 215Km on their website, that with their older own radar system, but with more capable radar arrays and more power.

One also have to differ here, since comparing AWACS is not that simple! We have to differ between:

1) the platform and it's capabilities, because the EMB 145 for IAF offers more speed, sercive ceilling, IFR capabilities (and there for more area can be covered in the same time, better radar detection range, increased range and endurance) compared to the Saab 2000 platform
2) the radar system, which includes the radar array and the software basically, where the Swedes seems to have an advantage (not that surprising since they are far more experienced than we are) and where our system seems to be more comparable to the earlier Erieye system, which was fittied on the Saab 340 that the Thai Air Force operates (radar range, FoV of the array)
3) additional sensors and systems (communication or self defence) and here the DRDO AWACS proves to be one of the most modern once, with a high ammount of additional capabilities to improve it's performance, be it with advanced passive sensors, a state of the art defence package, or the SATCOM system, that fully integrates it into IAFs future netcentric operations

So even if the DRDO AWACS radar systems might fall a bit short at the moment, the whole package is a highly advanced one, the problem is only, it doesn't matter how advanced 1 of them is, as long as you don't have the numbers to provide propper coverage of your borders in a 24/7 rotation. That's why even the highly advanced A50 Phalcons doesn't mean a thing, unless have enough to provide at least full coverage to a single borderline. That's where PAF did a better job, even if they might have more difficulties linking their AWACS and fighter fleets together, or even if they are capability wise not at the same level, they have enough numbers to provide reasonable coverage for the only 1 borderline they actually need to cover. That's also why IAF does not care too much about AWACS India today, but seems to want more DRDO and Phalcon AWACS at the moment, since providing at least a basic coverage of all eastern and western borders must have priority.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

The source for the AWACS radar (and you can't realy take specs of ground radars as the same base for specs of other radars) says 200Km for 2m², while the extended range is 300Km

The specs are for the airborne RADAR.

Primary Radar For Airborne Early Warning And Control:The Radar is under development to meet the operational needs of Indian Air Force.The radar will help to provide surveillance for air defence,early warning, and capability in aiding in tactical missions against intruding enemy aircraft or in deep penetration offensive strikes.The radar has a range of 200 Km for 2 sqm target (extended range 300 Km) and azimuth coverage of 240° (120° on either side). The integrated radar is undergoing ground testing against both opportune targets and arranged targets

The extended range is for the 2 m^2 target too.

 

[UKBengali]

tell u know what.. u are a seasoned troll. if u dont have anything meaningful to conribute in discussions kindly keep away from threads related to India affairs. and as for your "first attempt" nonsense talk, we put spacecraft in mars's orbit in our very first attemp, tested Agni 5 missile in very attempt. list goes on to SSBN, Aircraft Carrier etc, but to talk to a ignorant fool that you are, would be a waste of time.

Who on earth are you?

You are a no-one on this forum.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Who on earth are you?

You are a no-one on this forum.

So is Bangladesh, in the world map.

 

[janon]

Who on earth are you?

You are a no-one on this forum.

Whereas you are?

 

[UKBengali]

Whereas you are?

Ah, how sweet!

Indian coming to help out a fellow Indian

 

[Dillinger]

Which one of you children will tell me the two crucial components of an AEW&C platform, complete with functions and the technical details involved?

The Erieye is likely to have sufficiently good signal processing at the back-end, maybe better than what we have running, an adequate AEW&C platform, but the L-STAR is the superior primary sensor in many ways.

 

[UKBengali]

Carry on with this self-congratulation thread.

Sometimes I wonder at the level of education of Indians in PDF.

I am out of here so don't let me stop you trying to claim that India can make world-class AWACs at first attempt.

Oh no it is Sandy with another negative rating!

You have proven yourself a petty insecure person.

I pity you. LOL