DRDO ready to deliver AEW&C to Air Force

[janon]

The system’s radar will have a normal detection range of 250 kilometers and an extended range of 375 kilometers.The system will provide 240 degrees (120 degrees on either side) of coverage that can be stretched to 300 degrees with some loss of range.
The three AEW&CS are scheduled to be inducted by 2014-2015.

Again bear in mind that India officially uses 2 sq meters as baseline RCS, while internationally "fighter sized target" is asumed to mean RCS of 5 sq meters. So the figures mentioned here translates to 314 km in normal mode and 471 km in extended mode, since detection range is proportional to the inverse fourth power of RCS. Common sense also dictates that we will not build or use an AEWAC who's radar has far less range than our MKIs (going by the figures in your quote.)

The detection angles are comparable, going by your two posts. (300 degrees for Eyrie and 240-300 degrees for the Indian one, with loss of range at the higher figure.)

I agree that it is too early for dick measuring - radar range is only one parameter. Its spacial resolution, signal processing, and many other factors also play a major role.

 

[Skull and Bones]

But Sweden/Western countries have been building advanced radars for a much longer time than China. Also
their work standards & quality is better. See what I'm getting at?



Duh. Very little experience compared to US or France maybe... We're quite good at radars. Although
the availability of better foreign equipment limited our scope for production.

Project Airavat (1980s) -
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Sure I agree this is our first full-fledged AWACS system, while Erieye is a more tried-and-tested system. But
that doesn't mean it is more advanced or more capable. I have just proven in my previous posts how.

At best I can agree Erieye is more refined (result of being fine-tuned over decade-plus of operation).

I think project airavat was cancelled because of instability of the platform, and not because of the radar. Isn't?

 

[Hyperion]

I don't get this thread at all. Weren't the Radars and Aircraft procured separately from two suppliers, and weren't the Israeli's working on integration of this platform. So where does DRDO come into this whole picture. I mean I admire the work of ISRO, however, DRDO mostly has been a dud. Maybe I'm mistaken somehow!

 

[janon]

I don't get this thread at all. Weren't the Radars and Aircraft procured separately from two suppliers, and weren't the Israeli's working on integration of this platform. So where does DRDO come into this whole picture. I mean I admire the work of ISRO, however, DRDO mostly has been a dud. Maybe I'm mistaken somehow!

You are confusing this system with our Phalcon AEWACS, which are already in service since a few years. For that, the aircraft was Russian and the Radar was Israeli. This is a home made system, with the aircraft from Brazil and everything else (including radar) being developed by Indian labs.

 

[ni8mare]

I don't get this thread at all. Weren't the Radars and Aircraft procured separately from two suppliers, and weren't the Israeli's working on integration of this platform. So where does DRDO come into this whole picture. I mean I admire the work of ISRO, however, DRDO mostly has been a dud. Maybe I'm mistaken somehow!

we are talking about this baby

 

[Genesis]

your right about space and endurance....but i differ in performance
china developed that at 2000 , we are making it after 2010 ......there is different in almost 10-12 yrs ....the electronics and processor are much faster and smaller than late 90s..so we have take that also in account

I'm thinking the same thing, but I think the KJ 200 is good enough for what it is, and there's no need to improve upon it anymore.

Still, it's weird that India didn't go for America super Hercules or Globalmaster or Boeing or Airbus, for AEW&C, seem the logical choice.

You have that option why not take it.

 

[Hyperion]

I thought Embraer deal also had an Israeli AESA.............. mate, nations just don't jump and make an effective aesa in the first go - it indeed is an Israeli system repackaged and retuned.............

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The system, referred to in India as the Airborne Early Warning and Control System, is not operational yet, Embraer says. Two aircraft are still undergoing tests at the DRDO, but if the project proves to be successful it could be inducted into service with the Indian air force. Sources suggest that the type's radar is likely to have been designed with Israeli assistance.

One unique feature of the Indian aircraft is that they are fitted with an in-flight refuelling probe, which should boost their range and endurance considerably. "It's the first time one of our [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] platforms based on the -145 has the air refuelling system," Embraer says.

Embraer says that while India has options to buy more of the aircraft, it cannot disclose that information."

Embraer flight-testing India's last AEW EMB-145 - 3/15/2013 - Flight Global

You are confusing this system with our Phalcon AEWACS, which are already in service since a few years. For that, the aircraft was Russian and the Radar was Israeli. This is a home made system, with the aircraft from Brazil and everything else (including radar) being developed by Indian labs.

 

[ni8mare]

I'm thinking the same thing, but I think the KJ 200 is good enough for what it is, and there's no need to improve upon it anymore.

Still, it's weird that India didn't go for America super Hercules or Globalmaster or Boeing or Airbus, for AEW&C, seem the logical choice.

You have that option why not take it.

we both dont know the performance of both the awacs so comparing is moot

we have actually........ after this particular smaller awacs we are going for phalcon type rota-dome based on boeing or airbus as platform

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I don't get this thread at all. Weren't the Radars and Aircraft procured separately from two suppliers, and weren't the Israeli's working on integration of this platform. So where does DRDO come into this whole picture. I mean I admire the work of ISRO, however, DRDO mostly has been a dud. Maybe I'm mistaken somehow!

CABS-DRDO is the integrator. Brazil is providing the platform. Israel has nothing to do with this, you're taking about Palcon I think.

 

[janon]

I'm thinking the same thing, but I think the KJ 200 is good enough for what it is, and there's no need to improve upon it anymore.

Still, it's weird that India didn't go for America super Hercules or Globalmaster or Boeing or Airbus, for AEW&C, seem the logical choice.

You have that option why not take it.

We were not operating globemasters or hercs when we were developing this system. Buying those expensive platforms for just 3 AEWACs did not make sense. Besides, the globemaster is a monster of an aircraft, compared to Emb-145. Why use a giant aircraft when a smaller one will do the job much more cheaply, and with a reduced logistic footprint? IAF was already operating Emb-145s, and were very happy with its performance.

BTW what is the difference between KJ-2000 and KJ-200? The internet is giving me conflicting info about which one is superior.

 

[Viper0011.]

The range of 300 km doesn't mean anything if the target cross section standard is not mentioned. Do we follow 1 sq m target or 5 sq target as a standard?

You guys have a lower threshold due to PAF always using smaller, single engine jets. I think India's standard RCS measurement is 2M2 or 3M2.

 

[Hyperion]

Mate, I know almost every thing about this aircraft that is in public domain. Regarding the AESA, it's believed to be Israeli. Trust you me, it's a complex system, and there's a learning curve with AESA's. You just don't take a leap of faith and expect such a system as your debut into the market.

Whatever the case, good luck. However you got it, you got it. ToT or not, it looks good!

CABS-DRDO is the integrator. Brazil is providing the platform. Israel has nothing to do with this, you're taking about Palcon I think.

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[TimeTraveller]

Great News...

 

[janon]

I thought Embraer deal also had an Israeli AESA.............. mate, nations just don't jump and make an effective aesa in the first go - it indeed is an Israeli system repackaged and retuned.............

It is not our first attempt. We built an airborne surveillance platform in the 90s (work having begun in the 80s). One of the prototypes crashed, killing all the scientists. So the program was cancelled, and a fresh one initiated in 2003. In the 2000s, we had already built several ground based AESA radars, with Israeli assistance. So an airborne one was not that out of our reach. Besides, it it not exactly a world beating radar - our phalcons are a lot superior in performance. This is our first attempt at putting one in operational service, whih is why the number is capped at three. With this experience, we are working on a larger and more powerful system, expected to enter service by 2020.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Mate, I know almost every thing about this aircraft that is in public domain. Regarding the AESA, it's believed to be Israeli. Trust you me, it's a complex system, and there's a learning curve with AESA's. You just don't take a leap of faith and expect such a system as your debut into the market.

Whatever the case, good luck. However you got it, you got it. ToT or not, it looks good!

Bro, India is transparent when it comes to things like that. You would know such a thing straight from India.