Disturbing narrative developing in the #US for #Pakistan.

[Azadkashmir]

I think nawaz sharif days are numbered.

 

[salarsikander]

Your views or mine does not make any affect on ground realities and Govt policies does!!!

I didn't speak in an alien language. Read of what I wrote again. Naming is the first step towards recognition. Million times better then locking up, and imposing curfews

 

[Maler]

I didn't speak in an alien language. Read of what I wrote again. Naming is the first step towards recognition. Million times better then locking up, and imposing curfews

In last 70 years, how it helped?? They are still using Pakistani passport and their freedom activist still being killed even in Islamabad!!!

 

[salarsikander]

In last 70 years, how it helped?? They are still using Pakistani passport and their freedom activist still being killed even in Islamabad!!!

Lol enough with bullshit. With more of forces deployed in Indian occupied Kashmir. Killing and subjugating them and blocking UN inspectors is your culture. No one buys your bullshit. And yes,s until they get freedom of Indian occupied Kashmir. They will continue to use Pakistani passport freely, without any fear or repercussions like on other side of border

 

[maximuswarrior]

What are we doing about it though? Americans did what they wanted to, now most western nations and policy makers have the similar view of Pakistan being a state that is involved with exporting terrorism, or at least being complacent. It doesn't matter what we as Pakistanis know, why are our policy makers not striving to create a more softer image of Pakistan at the world stage? This isn't the cold war, where there are only two major sides and that you can survive by just aligning yourself with one.

Where are our diplomats? Where are out lobbists? We are surrounded by hostile nations yet I only see Pakistanis busy in fighting on Panama BS or corrupt politicians looting the country. When our PM visits foreign countries in major events, he sits there like a cowed chaprasi wiping sweat on his forehead. We honestly don't behave like a Nuclear power, yet we still expect to be treated as such. We can't even bloody fence our own border and have to regularly stop to listen to the whining Afghanistan and we are going to teach the U.S a lesson?

Sorry for the rant, I am not blowing my own trumpet, but I go out of my way to present Pakistan in a better image, but I don't see any efforts on the diplomatic front. Don't get me started on what our diplomats get up to here in London.

Don't oversimplify Western perceptions regarding Pakistan through the American prism.

Many Western nations have good relations with Pakistan. Pakistan has received a GSP+ status from the EU on the basis that its economy lost out during the American warmongering in Afghanistan. That is nothing short of recognition the sacrifices made by Pakistan. Something that cannot be said about our supposedly American ally who only knows how to provide bribe aid to our leaders.

You don't seem to grasp the situation in neighboring Pakistan. This isn't about terrorism, Haqqani, Taliban blah blah blah. This is much broader. This is about power projection and control. Pakistan just happens to be caught in the midst of a struggle between major powers. We have made our choice. The Americans are losers and cannot accept the new reality. They cannot accept Pakistan breaking its shackles and freeing itself from blackmail and bullying. The Americans have always dealt with Pakistan like a client state. The Americans have become addicted to the slave master relationship and we are partly to blame, but we are trying to rectify that situation. The Americans response is to be expected.

As for the government of Pakistan, this is nothing new. Pakistan never had capable civilian leaders able to steer the country in the right direction. Panama is the reality and we all know how corrupt our rulers are. Don't tell me that we never saw this coming. The whole world knows it. Are you surprised at Nawaz Sharif's inability to defend Pakistan in the face of these significant developments? LOL I am not. This is what you get when you elect leaders like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. Much of the fault lies with the people of Pakistan.

Don't have any expectations from the Pakistani elite to defend their country. This country has always been and will continue to be defended by you know who.

I understand the frustration you have expressed regarding our leaders in general. Many Pakistanis are dealing with the same feelings. Unfortunately at times as a nation we lack coherence and unity. We have a lot to learn in that regard. After the independence we gained we never had a patriotic leader who could truly rally the masses under a single banner. It has always been about regional politics.

 

[SHAH820]

That's irrelevant. The aftermath of that was more important. Perceptions matter more than reality. Read the Abbotabad commission report, it basically accepts our failures. But not a single person has been dismissed or charged with negligence. Just like after the 1971 fiasco.

And I would rather be seen as someone who has lost his senses, because Pakistanis seem to be think that we are some important major world power. No we are not, not yet. Come out side of Pakistan, visit U.N missions, meet a few diplomats and members of the intelligentsia and see what view they have of Pakistan.

yup UN mission having most number of troops which are from paksitan.
you completely lost your sense abottabad commision report i would like you to paste that report which was never been reveled to the public yeah where do you read that report
and for osama a man with hepatitis controlling a mission from a cave in afghanistan on a ventilator fooled world super power and their Airforce which were finding a jet which crashed in WTC for 2 hours
and for jets i have a very interesting story about it 2 jets crashed in the WTC which was build to tackle strongest flow of wind with reinforced steel burned it done to ashes but that same plane only able to do 4-5 meter whole in the pentagon and only damaged it have done was able to collapse 2 floors of the pentagon half of the world know who did 9/11 and it was not the first time they have done that go and search operation northwood

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Don't oversimplify Western perceptions regarding Pakistan through the American prism.

Many Western nations have good relations with Pakistan. Pakistan has received a GSP+ status from the EU on the basis that its economy lost out during the American warmongering in Afghanistan. That is nothing short of recognition the sacrifices made by Pakistan.

You don't seem to grasp the situation in neighboring Pakistan. This isn't about terrorism, Haqqani, Taliban blah blah blah. This is much broader. This is about power projection and control. Pakistan just a happens to be in the midst of a struggle between major powers. We have made our choice. The Americans are losers and cannot accept the new reality.

As for the government of Pakistan, this is nothing new. Pakistan never had capable civilian leaders able to steer the country in the right direction. Panama is the reality and we all know how corrupt our rulers are. Don't tell me that we never saw this coming. The whole world knows it. Are you surprised at Nawaz Sharif's inability to defend Pakistan in the face of these significant developments? LOL I am not. This is what you get when you elect leaders like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. Much of the fault lies with the people of Pakistan.

Don't have any expectations from the Pakistani elite to defend their country. This country has always been and will continue to be defended by you know who.

I understand the frustration you have expressed regarding our leaders in general. Many Pakistanis are dealing with the same feelings. Unfortunately at times as a nation we lack coherence and unity. We have a lot to learn there yet.

It is time to call off your Adventures in Afghanistan
or else US would force you to do it

 

[Vortex]

Oh okay, so OBL was in Pakistan for 10+ years, living down the road from one of Pakistan's most secure sites.

Just sheer incompetence on Pakistan's part then?

Do you really expect anyone with more than half a brain to accept the "official" narrative from Pakistan?

If OBL WAS REALLY found in Pakistan, then USA WOULD HAVE MADE KEEMA of This country...

But like India and his fake encounters, and their (USA) own fake evidence about evidences on iraqi mass destruction, it's very hard to believe them..

But yes... They mastered hollywood, so they know how ti build their narrative...

But even if their narrative is to be believed, it makes Pakistan a very powerful country...isnt it ? Very strange!

 

[SHAH820]

And Indian population is Six times bigger than you!!!

Also this figure is for economic aid only, Pakistan received much more military aid than economic aid!!! Add both, tell me the number!!!

44 billion have economic and military aid which was about 12 billion from 1947-2016
while india received 65 billion from US

 

[New World]

indians are advocating on behalf of the americans, how strange is that..

 

[thesolar65]

Does Americans have any kill switch of Pakistani F-16s?

 

[maximuswarrior]

It is time to call off your Adventures in Afghanistan
or else US would force you to do it

There is nothing you or daddy America can do. Deal with it.

Unless daddy America keeps providing India space in Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan nothing will change. Unless Indian/Afghan terrorists keep destabilizing Pakistan we are going to make you bleed like a pig. We are going to return the favor and you will cry like a baby. Absolutely no one can do anything about that.

indians are advocating on behalf of the americans, how strange is that..

Cheerleaders...

Does Americans have any kill switch of Pakistani F-16s?

LOL that would be nice blow to America as an arms supplier.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

There is nothing you or daddy America can do. Deal with it.

Unless daddy America keeps providing India space in Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan nothing will change. Unless Indian/Afghan terrorists keep destabilizing Pakistan we are going to make you bleed like a pig. We are going to return the favor and you will cry like a baby. Absolutely no one can do anything about that.



Cheerleaders...

India is not complaining ; all the complaints are coming from
USA And Afghanistan

We are only watching the events unfold

Is it our fault that Afghans trust India over Pakistan

 

[maximuswarrior]

If OBL WAS REALLY found in Pakistan, then USA WOULD HAVE MADE KEEMA of This country...

But like India and his fake encounters, and their (USA) own fake evidence about evidences on iraqi mass destruction, it's very hard to believe them..

But yes... They mastered hollywood, so they know how ti build their narrative...

But even if their narrative is to be believed, it makes Pakistan a very powerful country...isnt it ? Very strange!

The irony is that it is a catch-22 situation for the Americans. The story is filled with glaring holes. No superpower would ever forgive another country for protecting and harboring a man they believe is their arch enemy. Yet, one is left perplexed how the Americans softened their stance after the whole raid episode. It doesn't add up from any perspective.

There is a reason why Seymour Hersh put his entire reputation at stake by revealing his insights. It might not be the whole truth, but even it contains a grain of truth it explains a lot.

 

[Vortex]

Does Americans have any kill switch of Pakistani F-16s?

Yes. Every electronic dvice can be remotely "killed" or at least can be "degraded" in performance...

I read somewhere som stories about turkish F16 being unable to lock on Israeli jets... Isn't it a kind of degraded mode ? A NATO country unable to lock on on a non NATO country and all that with he collusion of the main NATO power....