Disturbing narrative developing in the #US for #Pakistan.

[maximuswarrior]

Well this isn't new nor is it a revelation. The question is just how will the Afghan situation get better if Pakistan is hounded upon? It never will at this rate.

Agreed. The Americans have been doing this for a long time now. In fact, this behavior predates the Cold War era. Pakistan US relation has always revolved around a slave master relationship. Long before Afghanistan, OBL or anything else became a nuisance.

All rhetoric aside, the US is never going to be a genuine friend/ally of Pakistan. The Americans have clearly chosen India to contain China. Pakistan will never stand with a country which is undermining China.

The do more demand is nothing new. The Americans will keep screaming. Pakistan made a wise choice by fully aligning itself with China. We can fully concentrate on our relationship with China without getting distracted by the US.

They never wanted the Afghanistan condition to get better otherwise they would have never encourged India which is the main raise of this complications ...

An unstable Afghanistan is providing them reason to stay on the region ,,, why will they left a place from where they can monitor 4 out of 8 nuclear states out of which 2 are the ompetitors , third is one of closest ally of competitor and only muslim country with Nuclear power (although even remotely not possible but if somehow Muslims get united then nuclear umbrella will be provided but this third country ) So a check on Pakistan is necessarya nd ofz India could be next in competition in future ...

Why would America want Afghanistan to be stable and to elave Afghanistan ? This all bashing is for consumption of tax payers ...

The Americans don't give a hoot about opiumland. The progress in Afghanistan since US occupation is for everyone to gauge. Afghanistan has only regressed. It is the largest opium producer in the world today and that under US watch. Human rights is non-existent. Warlords are running the show and the Americans are forced to look the other way. They say Taliban was bad. Is the current regime in Afghanistan any good where women are mass killed and young boys molested for pleasure? Not a single indicator shows that Afghanistan made even slight progress. Blaming Pakistan for all the failures in Afghanistan is an easy task.

We know why the Americans are in Afghanistan. It is not to spread democracy and flowers at the cost of trillions of dollars. Pakistan will never bow to unreasonable US demands. Especially now since we are resurgent and working closely with our ally China. The Americans know this fully.

The American tactics failed in the past and won't pay any dividends in the future. The Americans are free to remain in Afghanistan as long as they like, but they will have to leave some day. We will wait as long as necessary. Time is on our side. In the meanwhile, any misadventure by will amount to a solid reply. No doubt about it.

 

[LeGenD]

Rationally speaking, one can list a slew of reasons as to why war with Pakistan is an absurd idea however the fact is the reasons for a war are simply not there.

Focusing on U.S. in Afghanistan, I've said it before and I'll repeat again: If it was only about U.S. in Afghanistan, Pakistan wouldn't hesitate to cut a deal. We did before in 2001 under Musharraf however once India enters the picture then the equation changes.

Lastly, if Pakistanis want real change in foreign policy then we need an overhaul of the Foreign Service. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

I wholeheartedly agree, bro.

They are not blind they are doing all this intentionally we cannot fulfill their demands as they demand that we should surrender our nuclear asset to them and scale down our Army.Can we afford this ?

There are sane minds in both camps.

We only need to play our cards right.

Pakistan and US need [serious] talks to settle their issues in Afghanistan. My argument is that Pakistan needs to take the initiative on this matter instead of always "reacting" to their assessments.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I wholeheartedly agree, bro.


There are sane minds in both camps.

We will be fine.

Pakistan and US need [serious] talks to settle their issues in Afghanistan. My argument is that Pakistan needs to take the initiative on this matter instead of always "reacting" to their assessments.

You already know that Pakistan has approached the US on Afghanistan. You also know that the US is heavily influenced by India/Afghanistan in their decision making. The US has no independent policy on Afghanistan. The bitter truth is that the US has no real intent.

Pakistan won't beg the Americans to get Afghanistan fixed. Especially when the Americans blatantly ignore our sacrifices and blame us for all the problems. How can you have a working relationship with a country that constantly seeks refuge in blame games?

It won't work. America should fix Afghanistan with the help of India. Pakistan is done working with the US. We have other priorities now. Pakistan has suffered immensely. We lost tens of thousands of lives. Our economy suffered hugely. We are not going to be mocked when we bore the brunt of all the misery. We are not going to be part of this incredible mess anymore.

America always has all the answers. They are the almighty superpower with infinite powers. Let them sort it out. I'm sure they will get it fixed.

 

[LeGenD]

You already know that Pakistan has approached the US on Afghanistan. You also know that the US is heavily influenced by India/Afghanistan in their decision making. The US has no independent policy on Afghanistan. The bitter truth is that the US has no real intent.

Pakistan won't beg the Americans to get Afghanistan fixed. Especially when the Americans blatantly ignore our sacrifices and blame us for all the problems. It won't work. America should concentrate on Afghanistan with the help of India. Pakistan is done working with the US.

Bro,

We haven't approached the US on Afghanistan in ways we should; we are (not) "proactive" in this game at all.

We are always "reacting" to American threats and responses in this game. May I ask why?

I don't know how Pakistani officials respond to Americans in a face-to-face meeting but it seems that our officials are not able to sell Pakistani concerns to them as well as they should.

Easy for you to say that Pakistan is done "working" with the US; problem is that they are not done "working" us yet.

Pakistan cannot escape from ground realities in Afghanistan due to its location, people-to-people level contacts with this state and regional economics. What happens in Afghanistan, directly affects Pakistan on the ground.

Don't get me? Come and visit Durand Line and surrounding regions.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Oh okay, so OBL was in Pakistan for 10+ years, living down the road from one of Pakistan's most secure sites.

Just sheer incompetence on Pakistan's part then?

Do you really expect anyone with more than half a brain to accept the "official" narrative from Pakistan?

Yet the world accepts the narrative that a bunch of cave dwellers in a matter of months learned to fly the Boeing 767 in small propeller trainer planes, and were described by their instructors as having had only "average" or even "very poor" piloting skills, they learned with such a precision that they were able to fly the plane parallel mere meters off the ground hitting one of the most classified and heavily defended building of the world's sole super power, not only that but were able to make high precision critical degree turns to hit their targets the twin towers with pin point accuracy, without that sole super power's armed forces and intelligence agencies with their infinite resources having the slightest clue who hit them.

If the world can accept such a narrative then surely they would be able to accept this one too, nice to see your kind here again I guess constantly bad mouthing Pakistan in your own filth forum got boring for you didn't it, get a hobby such blind hatred and extreme obsession of Pakistan is not good for your health.

"To hit something with an airplane is easy only if you have been flying for 20 years."
- Boeing 767 pilot quoted in the Boston Globe
"The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots."
- The Washington Post​

 

[T-Rex]

The most powerful nation is calling out Pakistan exclusively and openly threatening means a lot yet Pakistan is passive.

There's definitely a deep state like FETO in Pakistan. Parts of military, political and even social leaders are part of this deep state. The objective of the deep state is to sabotage Pakistan's security and development and keeping the Pakistani response passive even when it faces such grave threat is just one of those objectives. This is my analysis because I simply cannot fathom the level of stupidity which allows the leadership to remain passive in this kind o situation.

 

[wiseone2]

Agreed. The Americans have been doing this for a long time now. In fact, this behavior predates the Cold War era. Pakistan US relation has always revolved around a slave master relationship. Long before Afghanistan, OBL or anything else became a nuisance.

All rhetoric aside, the US is never going to be a genuine friend/ally of Pakistan. The Americans have clearly chosen India to contain China. Pakistan will never stand with a country which is undermining China.

The do more demand is nothing new. The Americans will keep screaming. Pakistan made a wise choice by fully aligning itself with China. We can fully concentrate on our relationship with China without getting distracted by the US.



The Americans don't give a hoot about opiumland. The progress in Afghanistan since US occupation is for everyone to gauge. Afghanistan has only regressed. It is the largest opium producer in the world today and that under US watch. Human rights is non-existent. Warlords are running the show and the Americans are forced to look the other way. They say Taliban was bad. Is the current regime in Afghanistan any good where women are mass killed and young boys molested for pleasure? Not a single indicator shows that Afghanistan made even slight progress. Blaming Pakistan for all the failures in Afghanistan is an easy task.

We know why the Americans are in Afghanistan. It is not to spread democracy and flowers at the cost of trillions of dollars. Pakistan will never bow to unreasonable US demands. Especially now since we are resurgent and working closely with our ally China. The Americans know this fully.

The American tactics failed in the past and won't pay any dividends in the future. The Americans are free to remain in Afghanistan as long as they like, but they will have to leave some day. We will wait as long as necessary. Time is on our side. In the meanwhile, any misadventure by will amount to a solid reply. No doubt about it.

did it occur to your pea sized brain that China could make friends with India tomorrow ?

 

[The Sandman]

WTF? so according to their logic a country with $300B economy is the reason why US and her allies are not winning in afg? you've trillion $$ of economy most advanced weaponry highly trained soldiers yet you blame us for your defeat? WTF this is some strange kind of logic but i guess they had to put the blame on someone for their failures. We alone are fighting terrorism for the last what 10 years? why they don't want to see that because you want a scapegoat and to calm your people back home and keep them in delusions that oh look it's because of evil Pakistan we the sole superpower in the world lost in afg. *claps*

 

[YeBeWarned]

WTF? so according to their logic a country with $300B economy is the reason why US and her allies are not winning in afg? you've trillion $$ of economy most advanced weaponry highly trained soldiers yet you blame us for your defeat? WTF this is some strange kind of logic but i guess they had to put the blame on someone for their failures. We alone are fighting terrorism for the last what 10 years? why they don't want to see that because you want a scapegoat and to calm your people back home and keep them in delusions that oh look it's because of evil Pakistan we the sole superpower in the world lost in afg. *claps*

well it secures some Billions from the Holy cow , who need logic when you can issue a statement against Pakistan and become the Ultimate God of 1.3 Billion Indians , and also get some Dollars

 

[Turingsage]

whats 50 Million buddy?

Pakistan to provide $500 mn development aid to Afghanistan
https://arynews.tv/en/pakistan-provide-500-mn-development-aid-afghanistan/

This was a promise by Nawaz in front of all the leaders at the Brussels conference to show how Pakistan was on board about stabilising afghanistan and not providing sanctuaries for the Taliban and and all other terror groups.
The moment the conference ended and Pakistan had been praised for this "generosity". Pakistan restarted, reinvigorated, its "Project Afghanistan" by continuing to supply protect encourage and push the "good taliban" into Afghanistan.
Ghani could see that Nawaz was playing to the international gallery trying desperately to loosen the noose that the Pakistani army has foisted on him with thier over 40 year "project Afghanistan"


Governance & Politics

By
Khwaja Basir Fitri
On
Dec 06, 2016 - 10:07


KABUL (Pajhwok): Wolesi Jirga members on Monday welcomed the rejection of $500 million Pakistani aid by President Ashraf Ghani at the Heart of Asia Conferencein Amritsar.

Representatives from about 40 countries and groupings like the European Union attended the two-day event, which was aimed at exploring ways of dealing with the challenges Afghanistan faces.

Addressing the conference, the president on Sunday called cross-border terrorism a grave concern. "We need aid to fight the scourge."He believed the $500 million promised by Pakistan for Afghanistan’s reconstruction could be better spent on combating terrorism.

Mohammad Naeem Lalai Ahmadzai, a public representative from Kandahar province, said all Afghan people and their representatives supported the stance of Ghani.

Obaidullah Barakzai, another lawmaker, said: “The recent step by Ghani against Pakistan is commendable, Pakistan, if it is interested in aiding Afghanistan, should stop financing and arming terrorists. It doesn’t need provide Afghanistan with cash assistance.”

Other legislators followed suit, saying the refusal of $500 million reconstruction assistance was in accordance with Afghan people’s wishes. They expressed support for the presidential stance.

Speaker Abdul Rauf Ibrahimi also eulogized the president’s rejection of Pakistan aid, sayingGhani echoed people’s pain caused by Islamabad’s interference in Afghanistan.

The refusal of aid drew a harsh reaction from Prime Minister Advisor on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz, who told a hurriedly-called media briefing in Islamabad on his return from Amritsar.

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2016/12/06/mps-commend-presidential-rejection-pakistan-aid


Of course not a single dollar of that $500 million has ever gone to Afghanistan for development. Though the same and perhaps more has ended up with the Haqanis and others. It was partly funded by the UAE Saudi Qatari and other Islamic interests. Pakistan is the willing and enthusiastic laboratory for these Islamic terror groups with the Chairman ( COAS) keeping a keen eye on his wards and slapping a few unruly ones down from time to time.