Disturbing narrative developing in the #US for #Pakistan.

[American Pakistani]

Spare me the party line. Everyone knows that alliance is against Iran

Spare me those "everyone knows" onliners.

 

[wiseone2]

I don't see the Pakistan army even addressing this LOL You are seeing ghosts as usual.

They were not trying to catch Osama Bin Laden either

 

[maximuswarrior]

Sorry to burst your bubble ...

Top 10 destinations for US Congressmen
Israel
Turkey
Germany
Japan
Canada
China
Belgium
UK
Guatemala
Colombia



the ones who run your foreign policy



I am all for improved USA-Pakistan relationship as long as it is not directed against India

LOL stop putting words in his mouth. Everyone knows the recent McCain delegation visit to Pakistan. Who the fvck cares about the top 10 LOL

 

[wiseone2]

Spare me those "everyone knows" onliners.

This is your opposition party view on NOC for Raheel Shareef
https://www.dawn.com/news/1323049

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/05/pakistan-to-allay-irans-concerns-on-saudi-military-alliance/

 

[maximuswarrior]

They were not trying to catch Osama Bin Laden either

LOL you mean the same OBL the Americans caught with the help of the ISI only to backstab us afterwards.

 

[SQ8]

Sorry to burst your bubble ...

Top 10 destinations for US Congressmen
Israel
Turkey
Germany
Japan
Canada
China
Belgium
UK
Guatemala
Colombia



the ones who run your foreign policy



I am all for improved USA-Pakistan relationship as long as it is not directed against India

Burst what bubble? One you imagine? Because it reflects your own self-obsessed(or Pakistan obsessed) mentality?
Unlike you folks, us common Pakistanis are generally more aware and educated to not have unrealistic expectations on our importance. Diplomatic visits to Pakistan carry weight because these occur at key policy objectives; those heading to Israel carry policy objectives and funding with lobbies.
At no point does any Pakistani have this Indian trait of thinking we are the center of the world, but we have our role and generally it goes beyond what really should be our weight with it. Otherwise Kazakhistan is a larger land mass and more industrialized and educated, you dont hear about it on the BBC or other media all the time.

The cash we received for letting the US use our ports, our roads and airspace is our right, who the hell cares if it involves a bit of opacity on the usage of those funds. We attach importance to the US relationship because it effects the outcome in our neighborhood especially where we do want Afghanistan as a friendly country since those Kabul buggers are worse than you guys in their hatred and jealousy .

 

[maximuswarrior]

This is your opposition party view on NOC for Raheel Shareef
https://www.dawn.com/news/1323049

https://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2017/05/pakistan-to-allay-irans-concerns-on-saudi-military-alliance/

LOL a fine illustration of how an Indian spins the discussion at hand. Start off with the Fox News topic and ends at the NOC certificate of Raheel Sharif.

 

[wiseone2]

LOL you mean the same OBL the Americans caught with the help of the ISI only to backstab us afterwards.

They though so much of the ISI that they choose to execute the raid unilaterally

 

[Maler]

LOL no your dogs are being executed by Naxalites, but that must be another conspiracy by Pakistan.

But your dogs are beheaded by good/bad Talibans and They are playing football too...and Its not a conspiracy, but a self goal by your beloved dogs!!!

 

[maximuswarrior]

They though so much of the ISI that they choose to execute the raid unilaterally

Not according to those who dispute the events LOL

But your dogs are beheaded by good/bad Talibans and They are playing football too...and Its not a conspiracy, but a self goal by your beloved dogs!!!

You mean just like we played football with your dead soldiers by going into your territory and mutilating your soldiers. We even made it back alive. LOL all according to your own media. See how powerful we are? At least have faith in your own media.

Today you are admitting in this thread that we owned the Americans and her entire coalition in Afghanistan. What more proof do you need? LOL

 

[LeGenD]

The irony is that it is a catch-22 situation for the Americans. The story is filled with glaring holes. No superpower would ever forgive another country for protecting and harboring a man they believe is their arch enemy. Yet, one is left perplexed how the Americans softened their stance after the whole raid episode. It doesn't add up from any perspective.

There is a reason why Seymour Hersh put his entire reputation at stake by revealing his insights. It might not be the whole truth, but even it contains a grain of truth it explains a lot.

This story isn't filled with glaring holes - some people just choose to be ignorant and overlook important details in connection to it.

US considered bombing the compound where OBL was residing but this option was ruled out due to high risk of civilian casualties in the surroundings. Secondly, Pakistani establishment had no hand in sheltering OBL in Abbottabad - he sought shelter in this region through his connections and he wasn't the only one, scores of other terrorists were nabbed from Abbottabad earlier including Omar Pattek.

Here: http://thediplomat.com/2011/05/abbottabad-terrorist-central/

Americans didn't soften their stance after this episode - remember the Salala tragedy and scores of unilateral drone strikes?

Now keep in mind that Pakistan cannot escape from OBL episode. No matter how you put it - this is a card that we hope US never considers using against us. Should it, Pakistan will be effectively cornered.

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Since when a journalist an authority over classified missions? He wanted publicity and he got it with his lame book.

 

[Maler]

Not according to those who dispute the events LOL



You mean just like we played football with your dead soldiers by going into your territory and mutilating your soldiers. We even made it back alive. LOL all according to your own media. See how powerful we are? At least have faith in your own media.

No I mean bad Taliban playing football with your soldiers and that tells me how powerful you are!!! That is according to your media!!! At least have faith in your own media!!!

 

[wiseone2]

Burst what bubble? One you imagine? Because it reflects your own self-obsessed(or Pakistan obsessed) mentality?
Unlike you folks, us common Pakistanis are generally more aware and educated to not have unrealistic expectations on our importance. Diplomatic visits to Pakistan carry weight because these occur at key policy objectives; those heading to Israel carry policy objectives and funding with lobbies.
At no point does any Pakistani have this Indian trait of thinking we are the center of the world, but we have our role and generally it goes beyond what really should be our weight with it. Otherwise Kazakhistan is a larger land mass and more industrialized and educated, you dont hear about it on the BBC or other media all the time.

The cash we received for letting the US use our ports, our roads and airspace is our right, who the hell cares if it involves a bit of opacity on the usage of those funds. We attach importance to the US relationship because it effects the outcome in our neighborhood especially where we do want Afghanistan as a friendly country since those Kabul buggers are worse than you guys in their hatred and jealousy .

You indicated Pakistan is important because of Senatorial visits. You have a point. Pakistan is important to USA because of your proximity to Afghanistan. Let us leave it at that. Afghanistan is not the only thing of interest to USA happening in this world

Until 1998 I believe US Presidents made the same number of visits to India and Pakistan. Does it mean Pakistan was more important than India ?

Most Indians do not think India is the center of the universe. India's foreign policy reflects it. Kazakhstan has less than 10% of Pakistan's population. The Kazakh government is not doing anything remotely bad or news worthy.

The point behind listing the top 10 countries for Congressional visits is to show where Pakistan stood in the grand scheme of things

 

[Majid Awan]

US bet on the wrong horse when it trusted Pakistan. Better late than never to correct that mistake.

yeah now they are betting on right horse.best of luck

 

[maximuswarrior]

This story isn't filled with glaring holes - some people just choose to be ignorant and overlook important details in connection to it.

US considered bombing the compound where OBL was residing but this option was ruled out due to high risk of civilian casualties in the surroundings. Secondly, Pakistani establishment had no hand in sheltering OBL in Abbottabad - he sought shelter in this region through his connections and he wasn't the only one, scores of other terrorists were nabbed from Abbottabad earlier including Omar Pattek.

Here: http://thediplomat.com/2011/05/abbottabad-terrorist-central/

Since when a journalist an authority over classified missions? He wanted publicity and he got it with his lame book.

No journalist is insane enough to destroy his reputation on such a sensitive matter. That too on his home soil where the sentiment is hostile on the issue. Seymour Hersh isn't some ordinary reporter. We all know his credentials.

The truth is that you know as little as I do. We never saw the body. Even if we did we couldn't never have verified it is OBL. We know how politically sensitive this topic is and to which extent all sides would go to score points.

According to you we are supposed to believe the tales of those people who have habit of making up lies, but not an investigative journalist who has his own sources?