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Details Of Single national curriculum released

Stop bullshiting and stopping engaging just for the sake of it.

I am not against science, when did I say that? My argument is against this BS so called "theory" which btw science itself has never proven to be a fact, worse, taken as word of god, taught in our schools , where clearly, the "actual word of god", the holy Quran says otherwise. You are trying to act smart and in this , actually negating what is mentioned in Quran, just simply becuase you think science cannot be wrong. Sort your Iman out dude, dont be stubborn in your beliefs. "We hear and we obey". We heard clearly from the creator himself and there is no need of any mortal to question that. Your beloved Charles Darwin was a freemason, try to untangle that mystery!

There we go... The special iman measuring apparatus is out.

My point is if someone has a scientific theory - you tackle it with scientific theory. It's done world over. People challenged the existence of God, the Ulema have challenged them and countered them with reason. They don't return to blind belief.
 
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If you want to continue to go round in circles. Then please let's do it in another thread.
 
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Pakistan has to get away from rote learning. As a o/a level guy myself I find it funny that all it takes for one to top the pakistani boards is learning all the keys by heart. I've seen pakistani boards accounts students redo o/a level accounting because they don't understand the basics.

Explains why I have to train my IT graduate employees to use google right for finding solutions to their problems. They don't learn basic problem solving skills in pakistani schools / universities.
 
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One of my genuine annoyances at this whole process is how the draft version is being drip fed into social media as a reaction to paid anti state propagandists like Hoodbhoy. Why they don't just release the whole draft and let people have a proper conversation is beyond me. If you have a genuine interest follow @MariamChughtai on twitter who is one of they people involved in crafting the curriculum. She also did a couple of live debates with Hoodbhoy where he resorted to name calling when his arguements were exposed for what they are.

I don't know where you were educated (NZ or India) but i was educated in the UK and we were taught religion. The subject was part of the humanities curriculum and we were taught about all religions. It's entirely possible to be a Muslim and scientist - you have to take an academic approach to it.

From my perspective, Religion is the word of the Creator, it is His lesson to us on how we live our lives. Science is a study of his creation. it's very simple.

First of all thank you for engaging in a fruitful discussion without being abusive and avoiding conflicting idea's, Will check out @MariamChughtai for further insights

I have studied briefly in Sri Lanka but spent most of my teenage and adult life in Australia, And was thought religion as a separate subject in both countries which is the norm imho, The issue arises when religious dogma dictates what should and shouldn't be in a national curriculum especially regards subjects like Science, Humanities and Politics/governance, these are the pillars of human advancement through our history.. I have no issue in Religious dominated subject matter thought in religious school like Madrasas as it should be

Islams golden age was when Moorish civilization made massive advancement in Scientific discoveries and gave precedence to those subject matter on the other hand Europe went through the Dark Ages because the Church dominated every sphere of life, History teach us many lessons
 
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First of all thank you for engaging in a fruitful discussion without being abusive and avoiding conflicting idea's, Will check out @MariamChughtai for further insights

I have studied briefly in Sri Lanka but spent most of my teenage and adult life in Australia, And was thought religion as a separate subject in both countries which is the norm imho, The issue arises when religious dogma dictates what should and shouldn't be in a national curriculum especially regards subjects like Science, Humanities and Politics/governance, these are the pillars of human advancement through our history.. I have no issue in Religious dominated subject matter thought in religious school like Madrasas as it should be

Islams golden age was when Moorish civilization made massive advancement in Scientific discoveries and gave precedence to those subject matter on the other hand Europe went through the Dark Ages because the Church dominated every sphere of life, History teach us many lessons

You see these are accusations by Hoodbhoy, but in reality it's unfair to make any such remarks. The curriculum is still in draft format, it's not been implemented yet. How can he criticise the implementation of something that's not been implemented yet? Unfortunately he has a bad habit of being negative about Pakistan and looking down on Pakistan, simply because Pakistan doesn't share his atheist outlook.
 
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You see these are accusations by Hoodbhoy, but in reality it's unfair to make any such remarks. The curriculum is still in draft format, it's not been implemented yet. How can he criticise the implementation of something that's not been implemented yet? Unfortunately he has a bad habit of being negative about Pakistan and looking down on Pakistan, simply because Pakistan doesn't share his atheist outlook.

I'm an Atheist myself, Perhaps that's why his message kind of resonate with me, I feel strongly on the notion that state and religion need to be separate for human advancement, Organized religion based governance invariably leads to fascism, Doesn't matter which religion it is

Fair call that this curriculum has not been implemented yet, The alternate to that as you would have noticed would be like what have been expressed in posts #30 and #25 and my guess is you're not a advocate for that either
 
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I'm an Atheist myself, Perhaps that's why his message kind of resonate with me, I feel strongly on the notion that state and religion need to be separate for human advancement, Organized religion based governance invariably leads to fascism, Doesn't matter which religion it is

Fair call that this curriculum has not been implemented yet, The alternate to that as you would have noticed would be like what have been expressed in posts #30 and #25 and my guess is you're not a advocate for that either

I can't say that i am, it baffles me. He might end up being right - it might end up a disaster, but he's very immature in his approach to it, criticising something that hasn't been implemented, and something he hasn't actually seen.

If you don't understand Urdu you won't understand the debate videos, but Maryam tweets in English and so you can see snippets of what she has been working on, including with a panel of 300 or so experts from across the education sector including some of the most prestigious and elite private schools in Pakistan.
 
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My point is if someone has a scientific theory - you tackle it with scientific theory

There is no need to engage and play on the turf of atheists and anti Muslim quarters. Even fundamentalist Christian and Jews reject this Ape transforming into Human theory. If someone comes up with a baloney and over time people start believing it as a fact, that doesn't change the vary nature of the non sense. When science itself has now rubbished this evolution theory, why you are looking for other scientific ways to prove or disapprove it? Why it is still part of syllabus in Pakistan, where clearly, it contradict what Quran tell us? Why Turkey has removed this from its curriculum?

You cannot prove the matters which are beyond the laws of realm we are in. You cannot prove God by some scientific mythology or equation because he is the one who created these laws himself and he is not bound by them. The matters of "unseen" are beyond our intellectual capacity and limitation. And that is where our beliefs come in, our religion. Those who do not believe in our religion, good on them , we have no compulsion to engage with them or satisfy them. But to force their views and ideas in our society, that is criminal.
 
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There is no need to engage and play on the turf of atheists and anti Muslim quarters. Even fundamentalist Christian and Jews reject this Ape transforming into Human theory. If someone comes up with a baloney and over time people start believing it as a fact, that doesn't change the vary nature of the non sense. When science itself has now rubbished this evolution theory, why you are looking for other scientific ways to prove or disapprove it? Why it is still part of syllabus in Pakistan, where clearly, it contradict what Quran tell us? Why Turkey has removed this from its curriculum?

You cannot prove the matters which are beyond the laws of realm we are in. You cannot prove God by some scientific mythology or equation because he is the one who created these laws himself and he is not bound by them. The matters of "unseen" are beyond our intellectual capacity and limitation. And that is where our beliefs come in, our religion. Those who do not believe in our religion, good on them , we have no compulsion to engage with them or satisfy them. But to force their views and ideas in our society, that is criminal.

You misunderstood my point.

I did not ask anyone to provide any extra scientific new scientific evidence. I do not believe we evolved from monkeys. I believe that Darwin proposed a theory and that was widely accepted by the Scientific community. Today there is evidence that contradicts aspects of his theory, particularly the suggestion that humans evolved from monkeys.

When I was at school evolution theory was presented as the truth. Today holes have been poked in that truth, by science itself. I don't want our education system taking a creationist approach to evolution theory, or any widely accepted scientific theory. The "close your eyes and ignore it" approach leads to Jahiliya. We don't want exam papers where questions are answered "because God intended it to be that way".

Evolution theory is still a significant and relevant scientific concept, evolution has undeniable proof, even human evolution, but the idea we came from monkeys is stupid. Our different skin colours, our different diets, our different tolerances to spice/alchohol etc - all part of human evolution.

I want our children to be taught evolutionary theory because as it stands, it's sound scientific fact. I don't want them being taught we evolved from monkeys, but we need to address the elephant in the room. We need to address that from a scientific perspective as well as a theological one. If i was teaching a classroom of children evolution theory, i'd mention the human/monkey nonsense - i'd tell them our religious perspective of it and i'd tell them about the scientific evidence that contradicts it.

If in the future there was another such theory, which was widely adopted as fact, that was in contradiction to what we understand in the Quran, and there was no scientific evidence to contradict it - i'd still want our children to be taught that theory, i'd still want them to be taught our theological perspective and i'd still want them to know there is no scientific evidence yet to contradict this theory.

Science is the limit of known human knowledge at any particular time. As time evolves what we know increases or changes and sometimes fact becomes fiction and other times fiction becomes fact. Our children must know and u

Allah swt has stated his creation is something we should learn. The only thing that is off limits to our comprehension is his being and of course that which is not intended to be kown by us. No amount of searching will reveal that, but that doesnt mean we stop searching.
 
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You misunderstood my point.

I did not ask anyone to provide any extra scientific new scientific evidence. I do not believe we evolved from monkeys. I believe that Darwin proposed a theory and that was widely accepted by the Scientific community. Today there is evidence that contradicts aspects of his theory, particularly the suggestion that humans evolved from monkeys.

When I was at school evolution theory was presented as the truth. Today holes have been poked in that truth, by science itself. I don't want our education system taking a creationist approach to evolution theory, or any widely accepted scientific theory. The "close your eyes and ignore it" approach leads to Jahiliya. We don't want exam papers where questions are answered "because God intended it to be that way".

Evolution theory is still a significant and relevant scientific concept, evolution has undeniable proof, even human evolution, but the idea we came from monkeys is stupid. Our different skin colours, our different diets, our different tolerances to spice/alchohol etc - all part of human evolution.

I want our children to be taught evolutionary theory because as it stands, it's sound scientific fact. I don't want them being taught we evolved from monkeys, but we need to address the elephant in the room. We need to address that from a scientific perspective as well as a theological one. If i was teaching a classroom of children evolution theory, i'd mention the human/monkey nonsense - i'd tell them our religious perspective of it and i'd tell them about the scientific evidence that contradicts it.

If in the future there was another such theory, which was widely adopted as fact, that was in contradiction to what we understand in the Quran, and there was no scientific evidence to contradict it - i'd still want our children to be taught that theory, i'd still want them to be taught our theological perspective and i'd still want them to know there is no scientific evidence yet to contradict this theory.

Science is the limit of known human knowledge at any particular time. As time evolves what we know increases or changes and sometimes fact becomes fiction and other times fiction becomes fact. Our children must know and u

Allah swt has stated his creation is something we should learn. The only thing that is off limits to our comprehension is his being and of course that which is not intended to be kown by us. No amount of searching will reveal that, but that doesnt mean we stop searching.



We need to teach our children about evolution theory as a rebuttal, not as a scientific fact. Because they need to understand what is taken as fact in outside world, is against the vary teaching of their religion Islam. They need to understand the purpose of their creation. We need to make the Quranic verses which deals with the subject as part of curriculum and then intellectually challenge our children to understand the hidden agendas behind this Ape to Human transformation non sense.

There are millions Muslims out there today, even in Pakistan who never bothered to understand what this monkey theory actually means and its implications. Majority actually believe in this deception pulled over humanity. All thanks to what they read growing up in our Pakistani government authorised curriculum. Even I believed in this shite for long and only when I came across the Quranic study , I was shocked in horror what I believed in is nothing short of blatant shirk, a pure evil Satanist agenda.
 
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We need to teach our children about evolution theory as a rebuttal, not as a scientific fact. Because they need to understand what is taken as fact in outside world, is against the vary teaching of their religion Islam. They need to understand the purpose of their creation. We need to make the Quranic verses which deals with the subject as part of curriculum and then intellectually challenge our children to understand the hidden agendas behind this Ape to Human transformation non sense.

There are millions Muslims out there today, even in Pakistan who never bothered to understand what this monkey theory actually means and its implications. Majority actually believe in this deception pulled over humanity. All thanks to what they read growing up in our Pakistani government authorised curriculum. Even I believed in this shite for long and only when I came across the Quranic study , I was shocked in horror what I believed in is nothing short of blatant shirk, a pure evil Satanist agenda.

Are you telling me you don't think beings evolve?
 
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I don't know. They haven't released the full curriculum yet. Also I expect that's a policy decision not a curriculum based one.

That would an important aspect to keep in mind. Any curriculum, unified or otherwise, that leaves such a large proportion of children outside its applicability, will likely not be as effective an envisaged. Expanding the coverage to cover most children will require resources that may not be available.
 
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Good currciculum is finalised.

Now, where this govt will find teachers to teach this curriculum.

The unstable economy, parchi system and corruption caused brain drain, thousands of educated Pakistanis leave country every year, rightly so.

Danaai, shaoor aur deen sikhanay kay liye ilm walay hozrar kahan se layeingay?

Uskay liye bhi dual-citizenship walay ayeinga exorbitant salaries pe?
So the question is, in this wisespread ignorance, how would we find educated men to teach our youth?
 
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