Democracy in China? It's in the eye of the beholder.

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

So what, I'm not the one who can't digest the term west. You speak about how different Communism in China is from the west. And trying to be 'not west'.

What the f**k are u talking about? Have u even done any research before even babbling any nonsense?

Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is the official ideology of the Chinese Communist Party of China- and this 'Chinese Characteristics' refers fo Meritocracy in political governance and State Capitalism as the centrepiece of its economic model.

No such principles exist in the concept of 'western Communism' you've been emphasing on. So how is China trying not to be west?

Also known as dictatorship without person-centric and is replaced by a single party system which will not allow a different opinion to evolve. Freedom is also ability to speak up against the authority without the fear of being suppressed.
Freedom is ability to point out mistakes in the system. Freedom is right to practice one's faith without being prosecuted or tortured.
You might be economically success, but what's the point in that kind of freedom when your hands are tied and you are fed good food.

Hahahaha i'd rather not be able to express myself as n when i like it- n get to live life comfortably(just like here in Singapore).

Come on, so easy to tell your end statement is:

India's democracy is superior to an oppresive regime like China's.

thanks, but no thanks to chaotic and anarchic indian style democracy.

 

[Zsari]

In other words, democracy in China is to select, not elect, the best person who are the most efficient in exercising state power over the people.

To exercise power that reflect the public opinion and benefit the nation & its citizens.

You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.

Just as what's considered democracy is very different to Chinese, what's considered communism is also unique in China. Matter fact even the communist party will tell you that communism is an ideology yet to be achieved, that China is rather a socialist country with "Chinese characteristics" or in another word "whatever works".

 

[Desertfalcon]

China, like most countries, has it's unique characteristics, but despite the OP, China's ever growing middle class, will eventually want political freedom just as they have embraced economic freedom. It's all but inevitable, just as it was in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Chile, Colombia, etc. Countries that adopt market economics develop populations who will eventually demand more political freedom.

 

[Sanchez]

You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.

Get some education！

If you read the article you will realise that the Chinese are mistaking democracy for freedom.

What they are seeking in the name of "democracy" are simple freedom we take for granted in a democracy. Basic Freedom that must exist before democracy can even be born.


I hope the chinese do not claim that "freedom" is a western concept too

you have a national socialist society with a voting system， pretty much like Germany in1930s

 

[AndrewJin]

The only places to find Maoism now on the whole planet are India and Nepal



Your writing is kind of contradictory, democracy is a western ideology and your constitution was kind of written by foreigners, language is the essence of a culture and you even lost part of that.

Yes, those indians are united under English, many are born to be taught English at home.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

China, like most countries, has it's unique characteristics, but despite the OP, China's ever growing middle class, will eventually want political freedom just as they have embraced economic freedom. It's all but inevitable, just as it was in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Chile, Colombia, etc. Countries that adopt market economics develop populations who will eventually demand more political freedom.

i laughed out loud when i came to this uninformed post. u clearly do not know how China's economic model came to where it is today

 

[Desertfalcon]

Gee, I thought this was going to be a thread of serious discussion, but now I see that...

No thanks!

 

[CHINA83NEWS]

North Korea,China,Saudi Arab,Islamic state all have same thought of rule...my way or highway

North Korea is far better than India's infrastructure.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

i laughed out loud when i came to this uninformed post. u clearly do not know how China's economic model came to where it is today

Gee, I thought this was going to be a thread of serious discussion, but now I see that...

No thanks!

ya good idea- clueless posters should stop posting(in this thread).

 

[Place Of Space]

India's problem is the ethnic and religious country consciousness is not strong.

Dear, India is perfect, India is 0-problem supapowa. Remember it in your mind.

Mao revolution a.k.a cultural revolution where the 5000 year old culture of China was destroyed and uprooted from China. Which resulted in death of millions of people. Such kind of revolution is not possible in India. India is deeply rooted in religion. And it is multi-ethnic, multi-lingual society. Which cannot be replaced by some other western ideology like communism or a totalitarian system.
The only way India can exist without breaking up is through democracy. No matter how flawed the idea of Democracy is.

Good post. UK should manage India for another 500 year, you will be more similar as western nation.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.

Good point! This is what I personally don't understand here. Why do Chinese always connect themselves to Confucianism? Communism was and still is against the moral concept and social norms of Confucianism. The CPC erased vast parts of Confucian traditions and values in the Chinese society.

 

[beijingwalker]

S.Korea was created by US, yet their democracy still has a lot of East Asian elements. It's more like a hybrid.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Good point! This is what I personally don't understand here. Why do Chinese always connect themselves to Confucianism? Communism was and still is against the moral concept and social norms of Confucianism. The CPC erased vast parts of Confucian traditions and values in the Chinese society.
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this post is correct to a certain degree.

first n foremost, certain aspects of Confuciansm never disappeared even when Mao came to power.

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The concept of fillial piety is an example. Chinese people never ever decided to stop respecting our teachers and elderly.

The thing is while Leninist Communism was practiced up to the early 70s in China, Many of this traditional form of Communism were abandoned when the CPC, after concluding that to provide benefits to its society, certain older values has to be reinstated- even if they are outrightly antagonistic to the concept of Communism itself. Meritocracy is another prime example and it happened because of:

Lee Kuan Yew is the only leader in the world to have met all of China's national leaders from Mao to Xi

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

this post is correct to a certain degree.

first n foremost, certain aspects of Confuciansm never disappeared even when Mao came to power.

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The concept of fillial piety is an example. Chinese people never ever decided to stop respecting our teachers and elderly.

The thing is CPC then somehow reverted to the old values selectively. Meritocracy is another prime example and it happened because of:

Which is why i said our dear Desertfalcon is clueless on what he is talking about when he said people who enjoy economic freedom would eventually want more political freedom.

 

[rcrmj]

Democracy is just a word, an ancient Greek word, but the very concept injected behind it were purely political has very few to do with the meaning of the word itself.

The CCP itself is vastly different than 20 years ago, 30 years ago and 50 years ago. to most people it seems China only has one party ---'the divine CCP'. but to us, we know there are many fractions within the part, their ideologies are too wide in order to consider them all from a party, its like Labour from Tory, Democrats from Republic```````

democracy is not new in China, we have this concept for thousands of years, in here we called it ‘开明’ kai ming （open, impartial, transparent）, this has deep roots in our political tradition. so there is no point of predicting of where we are heading, a 'kai ming golden age', is what we referring to the period of prosperity in our ancient time, and surely this is our ultimate goal, unless we start self-destruction mode which is absurd.

We don't see much socialism or communism elements in China now, I felt the U.K was more socialist than China to be frank, as I lived there for more than a decade. the party still has these two concepts 'printed' on its banner is because its historical baggage and political agenda. same as America is a democratic country, but in reality its more like a bankoratic system to be honest

and some funny Indian members keep babbling about freedom issues, lol, if there were an open border, 90% of Indian will cross Himalaya with barefoot in order to enjoy the economical and social status freedom we have here, and this is a fact.