If I hated you we wouldn't be having this conversation. You think everyone with a different opinion hates you
But not everyone's as narrow minded as you.
no one said you hated me, that part of my post addressed generally. but with all due respect your last comments during conversation with that guy was a little harsh. I hate no one, and most of the time i dont join to conversations in PDF. because it's just useless and i dont need to prove my words for everyone in the world. just sharing opinion and i dont care someone hated me or not. that's it.
You have written a very long post but first I just wanna fix this very crucial part before I move on.
You're thinking on paper, it's not that simple. There are geostrategic elements to be considered. There are zillions of parameters that needs to be taken into account.
Conventional warfare is mostly about logistics more than number of troops or firepower. Else PLA would be the most fearsome military force in the world... suffice to say, they are not.
We don't have ballistic missiles or nuclear warheads, we don't control any guerilla organizations in the region (at least we used not to) But I'm confident that our armed forces can defend our country against any country, any military force in this world, you name it.
Lastly, I'm not emotional like that, I don't name enemies or friends I just estimate threats and look for ways to counter them.
again read my comment please,
when you are trying to judge about a country, first forget your hate, second consider their goals and threats , then check out their solutions and see what is the best in this situation.
you are giving your method to other countries while you dont know their goals, their treats, and their situation. as i told you before, iran has different goals,threats and situation than turkey.
and with considering that many parameters countries choose their defense strategies.
you dont have missiles and nuclear warhead as shah of iran had not. and you try to play the same rule as shah was playing in the region.
do you think we dont know about geostrategic or conventional warfare? we fought for 8 years with conventional warfare. we know well what is that. we fought with USA in the Persian gulf and we saw what happened.
you want me name it. i told you before. USA.
and without helping from US and NATO , china and Russia and ...
this is emotional when you think you are super power and no one can defeat you.If you were just estimate threats and look for ways to counter them, you would never say such thing and could understand comparing Greek or pkk with US and west europian armies is out of order.
I'm well aware of all these facts, you don't have to remind me, thank you.
False, we are producing almost every part of the F16, we have even changed the flight computers of F16 with our own designs.(a couple of squadrons as a start) We're even producing some of most critical parts of F35. We are very well capable of producing F16s on our own, we just pay money for intellectual rights of the plane. I'm not sure if we've imported any parts from US for the last order of 30 F16 Block 50+ but I can tell you that a great majority of the parts were produced under licence (if not all)
your welcome my friend.
producing many parts and some avionic systems are really good progress, good for turkey, it makes us happy to see your progress and development.
but if you could produce a new fighter jet by your own you would do that. a fighter jet needs thousand thousands parts. by this way,I can claim we are producing all f-4 f-5 f-14, airbus types, boeing types and ... because we decoded all of them and producing many percent of every one.
lastly, turning I-hawk into an AA missile was a dumb idea, it's way too heavy to be efficiently used.
it's an dumb idea for you because you never were in that situation, you never were under pressure, and you dont know anything about that missile. i'm wonder that how you could understand it's an dumb idea, please explain it. let me know your reasons please.
at first i thought you are talking about mersad air defence system, but you were talking about air to air project to name sejjil.
during war in 80's iran was lack of phoenix missile for F-14. so iran needed an long range missile to do the duty. as iran had lot of hawk missile and were working and testing on them . they decoded the missile and the radar of airplan and also changed the flight computers of F14 and could made it as an long range air to air missile that could be lunch by F-14. actually it's adorable when US and others thought less than few weeks after revolution all iranian air planes specially f-14s are grounded. iran not just keep them operational, also decoded them and provide a temporary emergency solution for f-14. it's obvious phoenix were better and more capable missile than sejjil.
after war iran start work on phoenix missile and after year they finally could produce it.
we did some other experiments and tests on hawk also that never got published...
Well, we aren't exactly alone, we are definitely not as alone as Iran, but I didn't see other countries coming in for us to liberate Turkish cypriots and I didn't see foreign military powers fighting PKK for us. I haven't seen anyone lifting a finger for Turkey. Each time US invaded Iraq, PKK got stronger than before, not to mention the bag incident
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I'd say hell yeah, Turkish defence industry was established after we got sanctioned by the US in 1974. Our planes remained operational back then and they will remain operational even if we get sanctions or complete trade embargos again, no problem. We are self-sufficient in this area. Our technical personnel know their way around parts and engines and our logistical lines are secure.
because you dont need them, your man power, military equipment are much bigger and better than pkk. you just a part of turkish army against pkk not all of it. so why other memebers of Nato come there? they will come when you need them and you cant stop your enemy.
how many years you have been under sanction? around 35 years like iran? and you passed a bloody war for a decade during sanction and embargo when 23 countries from west to east are supporting your enemy?
i'm not dnying your military capable, your industry. your progress in this field at first refers to good relationship with west and other countries. you are not producing everything. you buy many things from others and produce many by your own, you buy some technologies from others and .. and you are moving forward, well done. it doesn't mean bad, it's good and you are ahead of many other countries,, but with being under sanction and embargo. you will find many problems because all parts are not producing by turkey.
I'm saying It'd be worth to try. If I was the president of Iran I'd definitely pursue deals with them.
Making a lookalike of ANKA and calling it a MALE UAV (which obviously isnt) It looked more like urine racing with Turkey to me. But sure, whatever. I hope you stay on that road.
how do you know we wouldn't try?
but as i told you it's impossible. pakistan cant build a pipeline for years because of US pressure and now you are talking about fighter jet. you forgot S_300? we supposed to buy S-300 years ago and we paid the money, but at the end, russia had to cancel it because of US pressure. what do you expect from pakistan when russia cant stand in front of US? and S-300 is just an defence weapon unlike a fighter jet. i can give you many more examples of how US put pressure on countries to stop dealing with iran.
do you have information about iranian new UAV? if you have, please share it, because i'm interested to see how you could compare it with ANKA when Iran didn't share any information about it. they are just some guesses from some people in internet.
Iran didn't get invaded because of changing US politics after Bush presidency, not because of it's ballistic missiles. But if Iran had a decent air force it'd help greatly in the defence of the country. Forget harming others.
actually since 1979 USA tried every way to stop iran. they easily could invaded iran instead of Afghanistan or Iraq, or recently libya.
they can calculate to understand it does an military invading worth it? they know invading iran make lots of cost and many casualties for them.it's not like iraq and Afghanistan . iraq had a huge modern conventional warfare, but we see what happened to them. we fought with US in Persian gulf in conventional ways and also unconventional ways. we could damage US forces with second one and with using conventional warfare we just got hit. if you could read American generals reports about Iranian threats and capability against US forces in region and Persian gulf, you would understand what i'm talking about. also you can review the war between Hezbollah and Israel.
ballistic missiles are only one of our weapons. we are not gonna harming others, it's just an deterrent weapons.
be sure i would like to see your progress as an neighbor and brother and see the most powers in the world are in our region instead of west. we people should always living together beside each other.if one of them being on fire, others will affected. and if one of them making progress, it helps other.
yeah i totally remember that!!
