Debunking Indian claims of F-16 firing AIM-120C AMRAAM

[soundHound]

Sereis of events:

India side:
(As per govt statements) all sources are available in media and open domain, so some search for sources yourself, otherwise can ask.

1. IAF Conducted air strikes at jem camps
2. Thwarted attempts of subsequent bid from PAF.
3. One indian jet lots, and pilot MIA.
4. One PAF f16 jet shot down in pursuit.

Pakistan side:

1. No IAF air strike.
2. IAF came to Azad Kashmir, dropped bombs in haste and returned.
3. IAF came up until balakot, dropped bombs in haste and returned.
4.PAF responded to airstike so IAF dropped bombs in haste and returned.
5. it was dark hence PAF cannot respond.
4. PAF shot 3 India jets
5. PAF captured 2 indian pilot one is KIA.
6. PAF captured 1 Indian pilot
7. PAF shot 1 Indian Jet.

Based on neutral point of view, it's very clear whom to trust, a govt who Is open and clear with statements, or a govt who provides a newer version of modified information each hour.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Air force can have their own serial numbers... this is just hand written.... each operator of boieng 747 can have their own sequencing number too

I bet Lockheed will take that seriously too as that would be first F-16 kill anywhere so they can confirm whether Pak lost or not through US government

engine exit is not same as F-16 too

the shown is corrugated but exhaust of F-16 is like thius

why would they take pictures with own aircraft?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Indian needs to tell first where they found the Aim120 from? Perhaps it was stuck in downed SU30 arse?

 

[lithiumhydride]

IAF is officially lying on a state level for the AIM-120 issue?
Huh

 

[SQ8]

We have every right to use the F-16 to defend our airspace. No F-16 was used offensively

 

[Armani]

Indians are showing this picture

and referencing this contract:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/66635/pentagon-announces-“forgotten”-contracts-(feb-14).html


But notice the additional P00016 at the end. There is a separate contract:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...raytheon-wins-$200m-for-amraam-(dec.-23).html


This contract is noted as 'a separate contract' and the receiving parties are USAF, USN, USA, and foreign military sales to Canada and Poland.

Another Indian lie debunked.

The original contract included FMS to Jordan.

The F-16 two-seater shot down was also ex-Jordanian. (F-16.net database confirms the aircraft number, as the number hand-written on the engine component corresponds with the aircraft ID number from back when it was still in Jordanian service, and we know that Pak received Jordanian F-16s in 2015, before the 2nd batch in 2016 was blocked by US).

These AMRAAMs sold to Jordan (also under 0070 contract) were sold to Pakistan as package along with the F-16A/Bs.

These F-16A/Bs were later upgraded to F-16C/D standard by TAI in Turkey.

And oh, the 2 pilots from this two-seater bird were the 'other 2' pilots you were looking for that fell on Pakistani side of LoC, before realizing that the other 2 were Pakistanis, at which point all talk of any pilots other that the Wing Commander stopped coming from Pakistani sources -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100641491679150080

As of guys claiming they shot down a two-seat IAF aircraft...well, all IAF aircraft and crew except the one MiG-21 Bison and the WC are accounted for.

It must be remembered that the talk of 'two aircraft shot down' began at the same time as you were searching for 3 IAF pilots. That statement was based on the early assumption by Pakistanis on the ground that the 2 additional parachutes opening over Pakistani side of LOC were also IAF.

If that was true, there should have been 3 pilots of IAF in custody. Where are the other two?

And if IAF indeed lost 3 pilots over Pakistani side and you only showed one, why would Indian govt lose such a great opportunity to make you look bad in front of world media?

You guys can deny the F-16 downing all you want, but yeah, that happened.

 

[Goenitz]

why would they take pictures with own aircraft?

a policeman, a local, a Sepoy etc who knows... anyway, thats not F-16... I wish Lockheed martin should sue (they can't now as they want to sell F-18) as Indian brought a bad publicity... as no F-16 was ever shot down

 

[Mrc]

The missile shown was sold to taiwan

May be they are confusing TAIWAN WITH PAKISTAN...

May thats where their airforce went when iok was being bombed

 

[ghazi52]

Another Bollywood Propaganda Busted by Pakistan Defence.

Remains of AIM-120C5 AMRAAM Serial Number: FA8675-05-C-0070 was sold to Taiwan Air Force, not PAF

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Sereis of events:

India side:
(As per govt statements) all sources are available in media and open domain, so some search for sources yourself, otherwise can ask.

1. IAF Conducted air strikes at jem camps
2. Thwarted attempts of subsequent bid from PAF.
3. One indian jet lots, and pilot MIA.
4. One PAF f16 jet shot down in pursuit.

Pakistan side:

1. No IAF air strike.
2. IAF came to Azad Kashmir, dropped bombs in haste and returned.
3. IAF came up until balakot, dropped bombs in haste and returned.
4.PAF responded to airstike so IAF dropped bombs in haste and returned.
5. it was dark hence PAF cannot respond.
4. PAF shot 3 India jets
5. PAF captured 2 indian pilot one is KIA.
6. PAF captured 1 Indian pilot
7. PAF shot 1 Indian Jet.

Based on neutral point of view, it's very clear whom to trust, a govt who Is open and clear with statements, or a govt who provides a newer version of modified information each hour.

dont try to become clever. U r quoting indian stance clearly.
Indian government was not able to answer any question. Not even 5 minute press conference was conducted.
u lied in following points:
1) Indian crossed and Pakistan accepted it.
2) No losses were done. Indians jettisoned heir bombs and one missile was fired, which missed its target.
3) PAF wanted to assess damage and then reply accordingly. Due to dark damage asseement was not possible. it is mountaneous region and not esy to reach at dark. No person was killed in attack so no one was killed.(ISPR and PM both have said that).
4) 2 pilots news came from locals but when it was proved wrong we accepted it.
5) Pakistan is and was saying that 2 jets were shot.

meanwhile Indians said that :
1) 300 terrorists were killed .
2) after 2 days they are saying that they cant tell.
2) They shot down PAF F-16 but don't have any proof.
3) Missile fired by F-16 is a proof that F16 was shot down.
4) No pilot was missing. All men accounted for.
5) One pilot is missing.

I donot want to talk on indian media lies.

 

[SipahSalar]

Are you blind? That's 78-0269 not 80269.

Wheres the 7?

 

[JonAsad]

We have every right to use the F-16 to defend our airspace. No F-16 was used offensively

Can you explain to me the second paragraph?

Raytheon Co., Tucson, Ariz., is being awarded a $269,646,834 firm-fixed-price contract modification. This action is exercising an option to purchase 500 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) Air Vehicles (AAVs) Air Intercept Missile (AIM) – 120C-5 missiles and rehost. This effort supports foreign military sales to Pakistan 100%. At this time, total funds have been obligated. This work will be complete April 2011. Headquarters Medium Range Missile Systems Group, Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., is the contracting activity (FA8675-05-C-0070/P00028).

http://archive.defense.gov/Contracts/Contract.aspx?ContractID=3384

 

[Shot-Caller]

5. it was dark hence PAF cannot respond.

You know the funny thing about you lot is you take your media for its word. Even though you know your media is only sensationalism and no facts. This News being spread by your media is false. Defence minister in his press confrence did not say that we couldn't respond because it was dark. He said we didn't have idea of damage caused because it was dark. There is a huge difference between these two statements. Shame on your media and shame on you for believing their lies.

May be you people should introspect that its your media that does chest thumping 24/7 and pretend like they are super powers and because of it all when your IAF got embarrassed and your pilot was caught alive they had nothing to say to the public and it was a huge reality check and disappointment. So next time try not to believe all their lies and do some own research so you can save yourselves from future embarrassment.

 

[Taha Samad]

I think there is only one good way to end this controversy. PAF / ISPR should take the initiative and display/present all the 76 F-16s to US Defense Attache or Rep. of Lockheed Martin. Lockheed Martin takes repute of there product very seriously and it will be more than willing to take this effort.

ISPR should not let India win on media turf.