Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[Manvantaratruti]

Don't make stupid comments in a defence forum,talk on the said topic

I have no interest in personal attacks

Ever though of taking your own advice ?

 

[he-man]

Ever though of taking your own advice ?

Ya even I got a bit aggressive.sorry for that

 

[GURU DUTT]

Why not?

cause nobody will give there best tech just because they need to sell there products

 

[Sergi]

Dont know if already posted or not. Cant post source.

Two local news-papers in Maharashtra are reporting in January MOD has refused to sign the interim deal with France to assure the purchase of billions of dollars worth 126 jets. France wanted the assurance for the continuety of neotiations if the new govt come to office. MOD refused to sign the interim deal as its still in negotiations phase.

 

[he-man]

Dont know if already posted or not. Cant post source.

Two local news-papers in Maharashtra are reporting in January MOD has refused to sign the interim deal with France to assure the purchase of billions of dollars worth 126 jets. France wanted the assurance for the continuety of neotiations if the new govt come to office. MOD refused to sign the interim deal as its still in negotiations phase.

Yup already posted

 

[sancho]

cause nobody will give there best tech just because they need to sell there products

That's why they won't share everything of their EWS, but radar ToT and engine ToT was part of the requirements of the competition and that will be part for sure. That's most likely even the reason why only Rafale and EF were shortlisted, since they can provide the most ToT and offsets in return and that had a high priority for MoD.
Not to mention that transfer of critical techs in one of the reason why we often decide for French or European arms and techs, instead of US or others.

 

[he-man]

That's why they won't share everything of their EWS, but radar ToT and engine ToT was part of the requirements of the competition and that will be part for sure. That's most likely even the reason why only Rafale and EF were shortlisted, since they can provide the most ToT and offsets in return and that had a high priority for MoD.
Not to mention that transfer of critical techs in one of the reason why we often decide for French or European arms and techs, instead of US or others.

The question here is the definition of tot.

 

[Sergi]

@sancho @Abingdonboy @sandy_3126
I get a wind of the backup plan in case MMRCA failed to materialise
The source is reliable still its very hard to process.

Plan is to buy 60/80 PAK-FA off shelf and speed up LCA MK-2 and AMCA .
According to source the Russians have promised to consider the request.

What you guies think ??? BS or is it feasible ??? I definalty like it though

 

[he-man]

@sancho @Abingdonboy @sandy_3126
I get a wind of the backup plan in case MMRCA failed to materialise
The source is reliable still its very hard to process.

Plan is to buy 60/80 PAK-FA off shelf and speed up LCA MK-2 and AMCA .
According to source the Russians have promised to consider the request.

What you guies think ??? BS or is it feasible ??? I definalty like it though

I think its an awesome thing to do.

Even pakfa with modified al-41 engine is very good.

At least not worse than rafale.

The only prob being its impossible for russians to cater to this request as they want pakfa for themselves too.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@sancho @Abingdonboy @sandy_3126
I get a wind of the backup plan in case MMRCA failed to materialise
The source is reliable still its very hard to process.

Plan is to buy 60/80 PAK-FA off shelf and speed up LCA MK-2 and AMCA .
According to source the Russians have promised to consider the request.

What you guies think ??? BS or is it feasible ??? I definalty like it though

My initial reaction is BS, mate.

 

[he-man]

My initial reaction is BS, mate.

Lol:p

 

[MilSpec]

@sancho @Abingdonboy @sandy_3126
I get a wind of the backup plan in case MMRCA failed to materialise
The source is reliable still its very hard to process.

Plan is to buy 60/80 PAK-FA off shelf and speed up LCA MK-2 and AMCA .
According to source the Russians have promised to consider the request.

What you guies think ??? BS or is it feasible ??? I definalty like it though

Rafale is done deal. No backZies. If it doesn't materialize then re-tender

 

[Abingdonboy]

Rafale is done deal. No backZies. If it doesn't materialize then re-tender

If it doesn't materialise re-tendering won't happen IMHO, the IAF cannot wait another, what, 7-8 years for a replacement to the MIG-21 (en masse). I bet in that situation they would buy a few more MKIs off the shelf and place larger order for the LCA MK.2 demanding that HAL ramp up delivery significantly.


As it is, like you say, the Rafale is a done deal....

 

[Sergi]

Rafale is done deal. No backZies. If it doesn't materialize then re-tender

There wont be a re-tender for sure !!! Chances of direct FMS are higher than retender.
Sourse is a babu. And the issue is cost. Right now its around 22 billions ( including everything expect weapon ) and bound to increase with time. And first Rafale isnt expected before late 2016 or early 2017 almost same time frame as a PAK-FA in RuAF.
So cost befit calution is favouring PAK-FA if Russian are willing to put forward IAF order and its infra would be used by future FGFA. There calutions are pure economics.
Actually the news might have some weight as IAF has critised few things in PAK-FA to MOD. And this might be the reason for that
@Abingdonboy

 

[Abingdonboy]

There wont be a re-tender for sure !!! Chances of direct FMS are higher than retender.
Sourse is a babu. And the issue is cost. Right now its around 22 billions ( including everything expect weapon ) and bound to increase with time. And first Rafale isnt expected before late 2016 or early 2017 almost same time frame as a PAK-FA in RuAF.
So cost befit calution is favouring PAK-FA if Russian are willing to put forward IAF order and its infra would be used by future FGFA. There calutions are pure economics.
Actually the news might have some weight as IAF has critised few things in PAK-FA to MOD. And this might be the reason for that
@Abingdonboy

I still highly doubt this news bro for a number of reasons.


As far as I'm concerned this Rafale deal is being signed this year- maybe before the end of Summer. End of story really.