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[rockstarIN]

@Abingdonboy @halloweene

Will India get the full technical know how of ASEA as well as Spectra?

 

[halloweene]

Digging into that. But as they are a highly sensitive subject here, you imagine how hard it can be hard to get details about export...

 

[kurup]

Dassault says profits slump, but closer to India fighter deal

France’s Dassault Aviation reported on Thursday a profit slump for 2013, but said it was moving closer to sealing a major fighter jet contract with India.Net profit for the year fell 8.5 percent to 459.45 million euros ($641 million), but total orders intake rose 25 percent to 4.16 billion.

During the year, it recorded 64 orders for its Falcon private jets, up from 58 in 2012.Defence orders made up just 1.26 billion euros in 2013, up from 793 million euros in 2012.

However the group is seeking to significantly boost its defence segment, as it is trying to seal a deal with India worth $12 billion.

The two parties began exclusive negotiations in January 2012 on the sale of 126 Rafale fighter jets, some 108 of which are to be built in India.

On Thursday, the group’s chief executive Eric Trappier suggested that the company was coming closer to a deal.

“We have taken a step to a new level” with regards to finalising the contract, he said.

“We have effectively a contract with HAL” — India’s state-owned group HAL on manufacturing the Rafales in India, said Trappier.

Separately, European aerospace giant Airbus forecast on Thursday that India would have massive demand for new airliners in the next two decades.

The group said the country’s airlines along would require 1,290 new planes over the period, a potential market worth $190 billion.

Dassault says profits slump, but closer to India fighter deal | idrw.org

 

[kurup]

Dassault Agrees Rafale Workshare With India

Dassault Aviation has reached a firm agreement with India’s Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) over workshare for the 126 Rafale fighters that the country has agreed to buy. The agreement was confirmed on Thursday at Dassault’s annual financial results press conference in Paris by CEO Eric Trappier. The agreement covers the general configuration of the aircraft, the technology transfers and the detailed workshare between the two partners and their subcontractors. Also, it clarifies the mechanism for handling warranties, said Trappier.

“It’s a major step before signing the final contract,” said Trappier, noting that this landmark could come in “the next weeks or months.” The contract is estimated to be worth between $10- and $15 billion, but that has not been confirmed by Dassault.

Out of the 126 Rafales, 18 will be built in France in the Dassault Aviation facilities. The next 106 fighters will be built in India with a stepped transfer of responsibilities. The technology transfers account for up to 50 percent of the value of the contract. Dassault estimates that it would take roughly three-and-a-half years to deliver the first Indian Rafale.

Trappier also reported that India is “not the sole country where we could sell Rafale.” Dassault has answered an RFI from Canada, a country that, according to the Dassault CEO, is studying canceling its F-35 JSF purchase because of the high cost of the Lockheed Martin fighter. Dassault is in preliminary talks with Canadian manufacturers so as to be ready to sign an industrial agreement if Canada decides to cancel its 65-aircraft F-35 purchase. “It’s challenging, but if Canada cancels, Rafale will be in the race for sure,” he said.

Dassault is cautious about other possible export markets for the Rafale. In the United Arab Emirates, talks on a 60-Rafale purchase are proceeding with a “new roadmap,” according to Trappier, who declined to comment further. Dassault Aviation has answered the RFI issued by Qatar. “We are confident because Qatar is an old partner for Dassault; it has 12 Mirage 2000-5s,” said Trappier, but he declined to comment on a possible purchase of the Rafale by Malaysia, except to note that Dassault has made a proposal based on the supply of 18 aircraft.

Last year, Dassault delivered 11 Rafales to French forces, and a similar number is scheduled for this year. Deliveries are now to the latest F3R standard, which includes the Thales AESA radar and the capacity to fire the Meteor missile, as certified by the DGA (Délégation Générale à l’Armement).

Regarding the Neuron UCAV demonstrator, Dassault has undertaken radar cross-section measurements “with success,” said Trappier, and made approximately 20 test flights, mainly in France. This year, another 20 test flights are scheduled to open up the flight envelope.

Defence News - Dassault Agrees Rafale Workshare With India

 

[halloweene]

There are some mistakes in the article. Trappier stated that Dassault is not in preliminary talks with canadian manufactureres as officially Canada is still commited to F-35. And delivered Rafales atm aren't F3R (2018 std software), but tranche 4. Nvm.
The 20 nEUROn test flights are since october (after rcs measurements), and flights should continue at the same rythm tis year.

 

[rockstarIN]

There are some mistakes in the article. Trappier stated that Dassault is not in preliminary talks with canadian manufactureres as officially Canada is still commited to F-35. And delivered Rafales atm aren't F3R (2018 std software), but tranche 4. Nvm.
The 20 nEUROn test flights are since october (after rcs measurements), and flights should continue at the same rythm tis year.

The article says production rate is 11 jet per year. So the first 16 air craft will come out of the same production line for India?

Is there any plan to increase the production rate?

 

[halloweene]

It is possible to increase it, but would not be interesting to start a ramping up for the first 18 indian aircrafts. In fact it is in "Loi de Programmation Militaire" to put production of french Rafales "on hold" in order to produce indian ones. (which both allow a constant rythm and spending cutw for french forces).

 

[trident2010]

Hope we see this deal signed after the new government is elected.

 

[SpArK]

 

[sancho]

Did anything important happend in the last 5 weeks?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Did anything important happend in the last 5 weeks?

Not really, talk is the work share agreement between HAL and Dassualt has been agreed, now it's for the next GoI to sign the deal- Dassualt seems very confident about clinching with the next GoI in 2014.

 

[Sergi]

Did anything important happend in the last 5 weeks?

Important or not you decide. Now we all know than its impossible to sign the contract before August.

-It will take June to form new govt.
- new cabinate will form in middle of June.
- new DM will take minimum one month to understand things if the new GOI still think they want to go with MMRCA and Dassualt has agreed on everything.

Not really, talk is the work share agreement between HAL and Dassualt has been agreed, now it's for the next GoI to sign the deal- Dassualt seems very confident about clinching with the next GoI in 2014.

May God bless them if they are confidant !!!!!! They themselves put the deal in tailspin. It would go any way.

 

[GURU DUTT]

@Abingdonboy @halloweene

Will India get the full technical know how of ASEA as well as Spectra?

no i dont think so

 

[he-man]

Arey why are ppl being so naive to expect the aesa tech?

 

[Indus Falcon]

Arey why are ppl being so naive to expect the aesa tech?

Halwa hai na !!