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[praveen007]

India’s arms deal draws Britain’s ire
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THE Anglo-French rivalry that marked India’s
colonisation has resurfaced in a new avatar with
India preferring French Rafale over Eurofighter
Typhoon, offered by a British-led consortium in
the biggest deal for fighter aircraft in the last two
decades.
THE Anglo-French rivalry that marked India’s
colonisation has resurfaced in a new avatar with
India preferring French Rafale over Eurofighter
Typhoon, offered by a British-led consortium in
the biggest deal for fighter aircraft in the last two
decades.
By choosing the French medium multirole
combat aircraft (MMRCA), India, once the “jewel in
the British crown”, also “disappointed” Germany,
Spain and Italy.
Leaders of the four, according to India Strategic
magazine, asked India to go for “a political
decision and select this otherwise very good
aircraft but the government, at the highest levels,
decided to go by the book only”.
While details of the US$11 billion (RM33 billion)
deal are not available, the magazine says the
overall French costing was 15 per cent lower.
The Indian government announced its decision
on Jan 31, ending intense speculation, but not
lobbying perhaps, for a massive 126-aircraft deal.
Dassault Aviation will supply 18 aircraft in flyaway...
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[sudhir007]

 

[sancho]

MMRCA, France 24 report (check the Video in the link)

Rafale News: MMRCA, France 24 report

Forbes India - Rafale Revolution in Indian Airspace

India’s defence procurement orders are a game for the patient. For over five years, a bunch of companies with ambition to grab a chunk of offsets that would accrue to our fledgling aerospace industry have awaited the decision on the multi-role fighter aircraft. The suspense ended when French aircraft manufacturer Dassault Aviation’s fighter plane Rafale was chosen as the preferred bidder...

Forbes India Magazine - Rafale Revolution in Indian Airspace

Ghaziabad firm Samtel Display Systemsset to fly with Rafale

...Though the modalities of the deal are yet to be worked out, the multibillion-dollar deal will turn out to be an important cog for the company and the way India is seen globally.

"The 126 aircraft MMRCA deal standing at $10.4 billion is the biggest defense deal in the history of the country. Samtel will be supplying its cockpit displays to Dassault, makers of the French Rafale," informed Kaura. The exe director explained, "Dassault has stakes in Thales which is also a French company. Samtel-Thales Joint Venture will be supplying the cockpit displays to Dassault."...

...The aircrafts will be loaded with Infra Red Search and Track (IRST) System, a highly advanced technology that is capable of detecting an enemy aircraft even at a distance of 80 kilometers. Unlike the earlier technologies, IRST is stealthy, as it emits nothing. Airborne radars installed in the aircrafts emit elect6ronic beams and thus give its position to the enemy.

Mr Kaura said, "Thales has the technology but the production will be done in our facility." Thales is the sixth largest defense equipment manufacturer in the world with an estimated value of Rs 80,000 crore...

Ghaziabad firm Samtel Display Systemsset to fly with Rafael - The Economic Times

 

[sancho]

France comes in stronger competition for sale of fighters to Brazil

The cancellation of the purchase of Brazilian aircraft by the United States and India's decision to buy French Rafale aircraft influence in Brazil's decision on the purchase of 36 fighters and promote competition in Paris, according to government sources and analysts.

The U.S. Air Force abruptly announced on Tuesday the cancellation of a contract of 355 million dollars for the purchase of 20 Super Tucano aircraft from Brazil's Embraer, after a legal action of its local competitor Hawker Beechcraft Corp..

The Brazilian government "received with surprise" the U.S. decision to cancel this contract, and believes that the initiative does not "contribute to the deepening defense relations between the two countries", said on Thursday the Foreign Ministry. That comes a month before the visit of President Rousseff to Washington, scheduled for April 9.

The cancellation "affect" and "will be taken into account" the Brazilian decision to buy 36 fighter planes for $ 5 billion, which compete for the Rafale, the French Dassault, the F/A-18 Super Hornet, the U.S. Boeing and Gripen NG, Saab of Sweden, completed a Brazilian government source told AFP...

...A few days later, the defense minister undertook a trip to India. Amorim acknowledged interest in buying Indian, while ensuring that Brazil has not reached a decision. "It is very important for Brazil to exchange information (with India) but does not mean that the decision will be the same."

"The Rafale has won many points with that agreement in India," the director told AFP the specialized site Defesanet, During Nelson. But he also warned that "the three planes have a good record, and the Gripen also won points with a recent sale to Switzerland."

"If Brazil's decision this week by the fighters were, the F18 aircraft would have lost many points, but do not know what will happen soon, so in the long term is difficult to define the impact", said the expert.

But for the military analyst and retired general Alvaro Pinheiro, "everything will depend on negotiations that India do" to buy the Rafale of France: the final price and actual technology transfer represent.

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Another deal that is pretty much done now, but it seems that the Brazilians are waiting to see what price we get per unit, to get the same.

 

[sudhir007]

Selection of Rafale for mega defence contract final: Pallam Raju - The Economic Times

India on Friday made it clear that selection of French Rafale for the multi-billion dollar 126 fighter combat aircraft deal was final and said it does not expect contract negotiations to go wrong.

"Decision is final as far as selection is concerned," said Union Minister of State for Defence, M M Pallam Raju, when asked about Britain's statement that it would try to persuade India to look at Eurofighter Typhoon, made by a four-nation consortium, which lost the race, and New Delhi's decision was only "preliminary and not final".

Raju said contract negotiations are on with Dassault Aviation, the makers of Rafale, adding, "after all negotiations are complete, can we say that it's final".

Aked if that meant that the deal is open, Raju said: "No". "As of now, Rafale has been been finalised. That's the final thing," he said and added, "hope nothing will go wrong (in contract negotiations)".

Last month, Britain sought to raise the pitch for Eurofighter Typhoon, positioning it as the "strongest offer" in the multi-billion contract for the supply of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) to India.

On January 31, India had announced that the Rafale fighter jet has emerged as the lowest bidder in the deal for procuring 126 combat aircraft for the Indian Air Force, edging out its European rival, EADS consortium's Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[Shaurya]

Found this on U-toob it seems demo and tests have started

 

[the rafter]

MoD raises objections over Rafale’s lifecycle cost

Less than two months after the Indian Air Force (IAF) chose the French Rafale fighter jet for its medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) project, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has raised objections over its lifecycle cost, thereby pushing back the date by which the contract could be signed with the manufacturers, Dassault Aviation.

Top IAF sources said the two MoD members on the Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC) have questioned the low lifecycle cost that was earlier worked out in respect of the Rafale which was chosen over the Eurofighter Typhoon for the Air Force’s MMRCA programme that envisages supply from Dassault 126 aircraft for a massive $20 billion, the largest open tender military aviation deal in the world.

The sources said that the “differences” that have cropped up among the CNC members are centred around the Rafale’s lifecycle cost which the MoD representatives have declared to be far less than what it should be.

“There is no unanimity among the CNC members... and failing a unanimous decision, the Rafale acquisition could well get pushed back,” sources said. While the maintenance cost of a Saab-Gripen single engine aircraft is over $3,000 per hour, that of the far superior Rafale could be estimated to be much higher.

The MoD representatives’ assessment that a Rafale’s lifecycle cost should be higher appears to have stemmed from the defence establishment’s historical reliance on Russian aircraft. According to sources, the MoD officials on the CNC are “not satisfied” with the lower assessment of the lifecycle cost.

The MoD’s disagreement with other CNC members comes at a time when the committee will also have to review other “items” involving the Rafale, including the cost of air frame, engine, avionics, weapons system and spare parts support among others. It is learnt that the MoD representatives raised their objections some time after the commercial bids were opened and continued to object to the low computation of a Rafale aircraft’s lifecycle cost in some recent meetings of the CNC.

The MoD’s maximalist stand is baffling especially after the government recently advised the armed forces to prioritise their capital acquisitions because 70 per cent of funds remain committed to approved purchases. In a situation where only 30 per cent of the available funds are left for purchases, the armed forces have been told “not to push for every deal.”

In this context, IAF sources said that with the Air Force’s immediate requirements for jet trainers, new engines for its fleet of Jaguar fighters and heavy and light helicopters as support for ground troops, to pay for the Rafale deal, if the contract has to be signed four to five months from now, “would be a tall order.”

Dassault is in the process starting discussions with the vendors to get more clarity on the various offset possibilities and a final proposal on the same is expected to be completed by April-May. The company expects the finalisation of the award by the end of this year.

But a less optimistic senior defence ministry source said that “the 30 per cent funds corpus will not allow accommodating the MMRCA and the funds constraint will leave a big question mark over the fate of the deal,” adding that the contract signing stage with Dassault Aviation is “far away”.

When contacted over phone, MoD official spoke*sman Sitangshu Kar said, “Everything is progressing smoothly. However, I do not have an update over the developments related to the MMRCA over the last fortnight or so.”

 

[Shaurya]

^^^ looks like britan gave some extra aid to these jokers

 

[sancho]

MoD raises objections over Rafale’s lifecycle cost

The fact that the articles "sources" seems to compare Rafale with Gripen and possibly Russian fighters, but not with EF says it all!

 

[sancho]

Close Encounter: Typhoon and Rafale

The RAF's No. 3(F) Squadron dispatched two of its Eurofighter Typhoons from Coningsby to France to visit the Dassault Rafale operating 1/7 Squadron at the Saint-Dizier air base...

Close Encounter: Typhoon and Rafale

Credits to Olybrius from the MP forum

 

[rockstarIN]

Which is this MP forum?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Which is this MP forum?

Military Pictures:

Military photos . net

 

[the rafter]

The fact that the articles "sources" seems to compare Rafale with Gripen and possibly Russian fighters, but not with EF says it all!

I think its established that Eurofighter is much expensive than Rafale. Isn't that's why Rafale was selected? So why would anyone compare with it again?
Comparison with Gripen may be because it was preferred (because it was cheaper) over Eurofighter and Rafale is Swiss competition and Russian fighters have always been cheaper to buy (but not to maintain). Get it?

 

[rockstarIN]

I'm sure one day LCA will meet all the capabilities Gripen have right now.

 

[sancho]

I think its established that Eurofighter is much expensive than Rafale. Isn't that's why Rafale was selected? So why would anyone compare with it again?
Comparison with Gripen may be because it was preferred (because it was cheaper) over Eurofighter and Rafale is Swiss competition and Russian fighters have always been cheaper to buy (but not to maintain). Get it?

Why would somebody compare Rafale with fighters that didn't met the minimum requirements? The only cost comparison that makes sense at this stage is Rafale vs EF and here Rafale came out as the best, that's why these so called objections were wrong anyway, but it was already denied that there are such objections:

India has confirmed that final negotiations with Dassault for 126 Rafale fighters have commenced, and that the Indian air force plans to phase out its Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft from 2014.

The defence ministry says final talks are now under way with Dassault, which in early February secured so-called "L1 vendor" status, denoting that it was the lowest-price-compliant bidder for the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition.

A defence ministry official also dismissed as false a report in an Indian publication that quoted unnamed sources as saying it had raised concerns about calculations pertaining to the Rafale's life-cycle costs....

India, Dassault enter final MMRCA negotiations