Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions

[SQ8]

Well the next step is price negotiations with Dassualt, a specialized negotiation team from MoD will meet with Dassualt representative and try and to get the best price possible. It has been reported this could be finished and a deal signed in March- given how this deal goes April/May might be a more realistic timeline.

Adjustments with the current M2K upgrade in progress perhaps?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Adjustments with the current M2K upgrade in progress perhaps?

Unlikely, that deal has been signed and implemented, it would be highly unusual to go back and adjust a done deal.

 

[sancho]

what is the next step.. ?
who and when will ink the concrete agreement?

is scheduled to start price negotiations with Dassault from March 5. Discussions will be held on electronics, radar, transfer of technology and offsets.

Hopefully, they combine the deal with the Kaveri/Snecma and AESA radar co-development, which then will benefit LCA MK2 and a future AMCA a lot. I expect HMS and IRST beeing developed or licence produced by Samtel, which adds more advanced techs.
FGFA could benefit from certain techs as well, especially if we get a hand on SPECTRA.

 

[JanjaWeed]

BAE Hopes India May Reverse Fighter Decision

LONDON — British arms manufacturer BAE Systems said Feb. 16 it held out hope that India may reverse its decision to negotiate a mega-contract for 126 fighter jets exclusively with France’s Dassault Aviation.

In a lackluster earnings statement, BAE said it still felt a deal with India could bounce its way despite a shock decision from the former colony long seen as a privileged partner for Britain.

India announced in late January it had selected Dassault, builder of the Rafale, over BAE as the preferred bidder in a contract estimated to be worth $12 billion (9.1 billion euros).

The Eurofighter Typhoon project, which had been seen as the frontrunner, involves BAE and companies in Germany, Italy and Spain.

If concluded, the contract would mark the first time the Rafale had found an export partner, despite being in service with the French military since 1998 and having proved itself in several conflicts.

France is confident that it can sign and seal a firm deal to supply India the jets within six to nine months.

But BAE, which owns 33 percent of the Eurofighter project, said it would keep fighting for the India deal.

“The program has a long way to go before a contract is awarded and we continue to actively support the bid,” BAE said in its earnings statement.

BAE Systems CEO Ian King added that the consortium partners were exploring all options including a discount on the aircraft, though he added there were limits on how far the consortium would go.

Howard Wheeldon, an independent defense and aerospace analyst, predicted “a long running contest.”

“Eurofighter Typhoon has still got a very credible chance of pulling this back,” he said.

The main question “is whether France and Rafale can meet the commitments that they have made of in terms of industrialization and technology transfer commitments to India,” Wheeldon said.

Britain and Eurofighter already have a lot of experience in this domain, Wheeldon said, and could use this to wrench India away from the Rafale.

In the days following the announcement, French President Nicolas Sarkozy underlined the significant transfers of technology in the deal.

The big stakes deal with India may cloud a Franco-British summit in Paris on Feb. 17. Tensions between France and Britain have been high lately, mainly on European issues.

The pressure is on BAE to expand its market with old customers Britain and the United States slashing defense spending.

BAE sales in 2011 sank 14 percent as cash-strapped governments axed spending on defense and security, and the company’s order book shrank to £36.2 billion.

Earnings rose 18 percent last year but only thanks to one-off items such as a research-and-development tax credit and through axing 22,000 jobs out of a global workforce that at one time numbered more than 120,000.

Looking beyond the setback in India, BAE said successful conclusion of negotiations for a crucial Saudi Arabian fighter jet contract would underpin earnings growth this year.

BAE Hopes India May Reverse Fighter Decision | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[Storm Force]

Euro fighters persistence in the background IS HELPING INDIA achieve an even better deal WITH FRANCE DASSULT when it finalises the contract in the early part of APRIL OR MY 2012.

For dassult knowing TYPHOON is stil awaiting any break down in TOT TRFS or costs they will lose the deal.

THANK YOU EADS & TYPHOON.

 

[shiv]

Euro fighters persistence in the background IS HELPING INDIA achieve an even better deal WITH FRANCE DASSULT when it finalises the contract in the early part of APRIL OR MY 2012.

For dassult knowing TYPHOON is stil awaiting any break down in TOT TRFS or costs they will lose the deal.

THANK YOU EADS & TYPHOON.

It has its downside as well. Suppose the obstinacy of french gets the better off them and they end up screwing the deal(randomly pulling out straws here), then BAE will have free run when we negotiate them for EFT (our loss) or we may end up loosing EFT as well (our loss).

#as per the most pessimistic view

 

[agamdilawari]

 

[Abingdonboy]

Interesting document I have just read:

http://files.newsnetz.ch/upload//1/2/12332.pdf

File is a leaked evaluation report on a similar MRCA procurement process for Swiss involving Rafale, EFT and Gripen. Read it through and it is clear why Rafale won- they are best in ever category as assessed by Swiss.

 

[sancho]

Interesting document I have just read:

http://files.newsnetz.ch/upload//1/2/12332.pdf

File is a leaked evaluation report on a similar MRCA procurement process for Swiss involving Rafale, EFT and Gripen. Read it through and it is clear why Rafale won- they are best in ever category as assessed by Swiss.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-536.html#post2591570

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-537.html#post2594971

 

[DrSomnath999]

brother sancho when is Metoer missile going to be inducted to rafale i saw a report in DGA website which states metoer is going to be inducted by 2017 .IS it true ???

Le missile Meteor

 

[sancho]

brother sancho when is Metoer missile going to be inducted to rafale i saw a report in DGA website which states metoer is going to be inducted by 2017 .IS it true ???

Yes, because French forces have to replace MICA EM later than Germany or Italy the early AIM 120 versions. The integration already has started though and reportedly UAE wants to early integration of METEOR if they select Rafale, will be interesting to see what India and Brazil wants.

 

[sudhir007]

Eurofighter Activities In Oman, UAE Heat Up | AVIATION WEEK

Coming off losses in Indian and Japan, the Eurofighter Typhoon consortium is now looking to the Middle East to build up its backlog of orders for the fighter.

The goal is to secure the sale of 12 Typhoons to Oman in September or October after January’s formal release of the request for proposals. The program is valued at more than £2 billion and could also trigger sales of additional Hawk trainers.

After receiving an RFP from the United Arab Emirates in November – following a falling out between the government and front-runner Dassault Aviation and its Rafale entrant – BAE Systems is preparing a full-fledged campaign in the country, suggests Alan Garwood, group business development director. The offering has received “big encouragement” from the UAE, Garwood tells financial analysts as the company released full-year results last week, noting there is “all to play for.” Boeing has also been briefing the UAE on the F/A-18E/F as a possible fighter choice.

BAE Systems also has its eye on a bid in Qatar and on Malaysia in Asia, but those competitions are not expected to intensify until later.

Meanwhile, discussions continue with Saudi Arabia over the follow-on contract for 48 more Typhoons on top of the 24 fighters already delivered. Assembly of those aircraft will now take place in the U.K., with Saudi Arabia opting for a maintenance and upgrade facility over a final assembly line. The Saudi government also plans to take the last 24 aircraft in a Tranche 3 configuration. One of the remaining issues to be sorted out in negotiations is price inflation, with the contract talks having been extended.

Meanwhile, the company continues to keep its eye on the Indian Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition, where Dassault Aviation was named the lowest-cost compliant bidder. There is precedent for talks between the lowest-cost bidder and the government to stall, and the runner-up lowest-cost bidder – in this case the Eurofighter Typhoon – to win the final contract, BAE Systems CEO Ian King notes.

BAE Systems is now working with Cassidian, the German EADS unit leading the campaign, to improve the offer on the table in case New Delhi turns away from Rafale. The goal is to sharpen the proposal “without slashing margins,” says Guy Griffiths, BAE Systems managing director, international. “We and the U.K. government will be pushing hard to get our German partners to move forward,” King adds.

 

[DrSomnath999]

Yes, because French forces have to replace MICA EM later than Germany or Italy the early AIM 120 versions. The integration already has started though and reportedly UAE wants to early integration of METEOR if they select Rafale, will be interesting to see what India and Brazil wants.

but when would india getting these missiles 2017 ???? plz dont say yes

 

[sancho]

but when would india getting these missiles 2017 ???? plz dont say yes

Depends on the development and integration of the missile. If it's ready soon and we (or UAE/Brazil) will pay for early integration, we might have it from 2015 onwards.

 

[DrSomnath999]

Depends on the development and integration of the missile. If it's ready soon and we (or UAE/Brazil) will pay for early integration, we might have it from 2015 onwards.

lets hope it is inducted as soon as possible atleast by 2015 or elze Mica BVRAAM would be mainstay of RAFALE' BVRAAM till that
time