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^^^ I really like EA-18G. We should buy atleast 30 of this beast. It even killed F-22. Its EW and EA capabilities are amazing.
 
^^^ I really like EA-18G. We should buy atleast 30 of this beast. It even killed F-22. Its EW and EA capabilities are amazing.

i have heard regarding SH 18 G many time before.

What is it?

and why it is so spacial. and how it can kill F22 because after all it's just F-18.:undecided:
 
i have heard regarding SH 18 G many time before.

What is it?

and why it is so spacial. and how it can kill F22 because after all it's just F-18.:undecided:

The EA-18G Growler is an electronic attack version of the F/A-18F. The Growler's flight performance is similar to that of the F/A-18E/F. This attribute enables the Growler to perform escort jamming as well as the traditional standoff jamming mission. Growlers will be able to accompany F/A-18s during all phases of an attack mission.

The Growler has more than 90% in common with the standard Super Hornet, sharing airframe, Raytheon AN/APG-79 AESA radar and weapon systems such as the AN/AYK-22 Stores Management System. Most of the dedicated airborne electronic attack equipment is mounted in the space that used to house the internal 20 mm cannon and on the wingtips. Nine weapons stations remain free to provide for additional weapons or jamming pods.The added electronics include AN/ALQ-218 wideband receivers on the wingtips, and ALQ-99 high and low-band tactical jamming pods. The ALQ-218 combined with the ALQ-99 form a full spectrum electronic warfare suite that is able to provide detection and jamming against all known surface-to-air threats.

The EA-18G can be fitted with up to five ALQ-99 jamming pods and will typically add two AIM-120 self-defense missiles and two AGM-88 High Speed Anti-Radiation (HARM) missiles. The EA-18G will also use the INCANS Interference Cancellation system that will allow voice communication while jamming enemy communications, a capability not available on the EA-6B.

In addition to the radar warning and jamming equipment the Growler possesses a communications receiver and jamming system that will provide suppression and electronic attack against airborne communication threats.

And comin to the killing of f22, M not sure about that incident... Kinetic must elaborate on that...
It must definitely be something like the Growler jamming the F22 & definitely not in A2A combat...
 
And comin to the killing of f22, M not sure about that incident... Kinetic must elaborate on that...
It must definitely be something like the Growler jamming the F22 & definitely not in A2A combat...

Woooooooow....... thanks sirius bro.

Do we have any thing similar in our arsenal?
and ya if we choose F-18( I hope not so :cheesy:) can we have F-18 G?
 
i have heard regarding SH 18 G many time before.

What is it?

and why it is so spacial. and how it can kill F22 because after all it's just F-18.:undecided:

Now its not just F-18 but Electronic Attack-18 Growler!!! 'sirius4u' mentioned about its capabilities.

About EA-18G kill F-22....



Do you need anything more? :woot::woot:

SU-30MKI along with EA-18G will be the best option for SEAD, escort and deep strike missions.
 
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What is this fiasco? :what:

Apology for replying Late-

I thought you were pointing about my spelling mistake , and i posted this silly post
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/4347-mrca-news-discussions-112.html#post826811

Well this fiasco was about CAG and security report bashing Indian Navy for purchasing INS JALSHAWA with so many restrictions on mode of operations and Range of operations in Blue water.
This was news, do read it very helpful indeed .
(One of the reasons i dont support F18 + Growler )

What is the End-Use Monitoring Agreement?: Rediff.com India News

Imp extract -

The Indian government has embraced EUMA despite concerns expressed within the official establishment over its restrictive and invasive clauses.

For example, Navy chief Admiral Suresh Mehta had publicly described EUMA as 'intrusive.' Speaking at an April 2008 conference organised by the London-based International Strategic Studies Institute in New Delhi, Admiral Mehta said: 'There are certain things we can't agree to. As a sovereign nation, we can't accept intrusiveness into our system, so there is some fundamental difficulty.'

He added: 'The US may have this kind of (end user) agreements with everyone. I don't believe in that. We pay for something and we get some technology. What I do with it, is my thing.'

In fact, India's Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) in a March 2008 report criticized the end-use monitoring clauses in the contract for the USS Trenton/INS Jalashwa. (No sooner the US had transferred that transport ship to India than a gas leak killed an Indian officer and five sailors on board.)[†]

The CAG report stated: 'Restrictive clauses raise doubts about the real advantages from this deal... For example, (there are) restrictions on the offensive deployment of the ship and permission to the (US) government to conduct an inspection and inventory of all articles transferred under the end-use monitoring clause of the LOA (Letter of Offer and Acceptance issued by the US government).'

Note that the contract contains even 'restrictions on the offensive deployment of the ship.'
 
silly post

:rofl: never mind :cheers:

Well this fiasco was about CAG and security report bashing Indian Navy for purchasing INS JALSHAWA with so many restrictions on mode of operations and Range of operations in Blue water.

This is news is news to me & I don't know what powers CAG has but it is a failing of the parliamentarians if they allowed this thru, only for a weaker agency like CAG to meekly protest it. Could it be just a token of friendship kind of purchase?
 
Woooooooow....... thanks sirius bro.

Do we have any thing similar in our arsenal?
and ya if we choose F-18( I hope not so :cheesy:) can we have F-18 G?

No, we dont have any dedicated EW aircraft like the growler... :frown:

But all of our combat aircraft are fitted with state of the art EW systems like Tranquil & Mayavi which are extremely capable and do fulfill our mission needs...:smitten::smitten:

And to your second question, a big NOOOO...:taz:

We wont have the growler... We might if it was Bush's Admin... But its not...:azn:

And finally i really dont want to see an american plane wit IAF roundels...:argh:
 
No delay in MMRCA tender process, says IAF Chief

No delay in MMRCA tender process: IAF Chief

New Delhi: The IAF has said there would be no delay in finalising the USD 11-billion 126 combat aircraft deal even though the two-year deadline for the bids submitted by six global aerospace majors ended last week.

"As far as the process (finalising the tenders) is concerned, it is well on track as was visualised," IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik said here on the sidelines of a function to unveil a portrait of Marshal of Air Force Arjan Singh at the Akash Mess yesterday.

Naik said the process of evaluating the six contenders for the 'mother of all deals' would take time and it was not an easy task.

"I am very happy and proud of our people, who have done this (evaluation) on time. They will finish off (the flight and weapons trials) by end of May. It will be a delay of about five or ten days. Our evaluation, testing is on schedule," he said, when asked if the deadline extension would delay the procurement process.

For the tenders floated in August 2007, US majors Lockheed Martin and Boeing, Russian RAC MiG, French D'Assault, Swedish SAAB and European consortium EADS had submitted their bids.

The companies have offered their F-16IN, F/A-18, MiG-35, Rafale, Gripen and Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft as the furture medium multirole combat aircraft for the IAF.

While the IAF has completed the technical evaluation of the bids submitted by the companies in early 2008, the commercial bids were yet to be opened.

The IAF began the flight and weapons evaluation of the six aircraft last year and is set to complete the trials by end of this month.

However, the deadline for the commercial bids ended last week following which the Defence Ministry asked the companies to submit fresh bids or extend the deadline for their existing bids.

> When asked about the deadline extension, Naik said, "Deadline expiry is a routine thing, which happens in quite a few cases. The deadline is extended (in such cases)."

Meanwhile, senior IAF officials said they had set a timeline for three years since the tenders were issued to complete the process of evaluation of all the six aircraft in the fray.

"This three-year deadline we will be able to meet," they said. To a query on the American Defence Security Cooperation Agency notifying the Congress on the possible sale of 10 Boeing C-17 transport aircraft to India through the Foreign Military Sales route, Naik said the IAF expects the US to send a Letter of Acceptance (LOA) soon.

"They will send us a letter of LOA from their side and the progress will continue. We expect it shortly," he said.

Earlier, Naik unveiled the portrait of Arjan Singh in the lobby of Akash Mess in the presence of the Marshal of the Air Force, his family members and artist Sanjay Bhattacharya, who had made the portrait.

"It is a very special privilege. Marshal is the only five-star officer amongst all the three services in the country at present. He is an icon as far as the IAF is concerned. His exploits are very well known. So it is a privilege for us to have a picture of his in the Akash mess, which is a special Air Force mess," Naik said.

Arjan Singh said the portrait was a recognition of the IAF's eight-decade contribution to the nation.

"I think it is not about the Marshal, but recognition of the Air Force's eight-decade work. The Air Force has always helped the country in not only fighting the enemy but also in humanitarian work. I am quite sure that the IAF is really well-organised, well-trained, and will continue to serve the country," he said.
 
Does anyone here have any info regarding the followings...?
1. Production rate of typhoon....? Already so many orders... Will it affect us...?
2. Production rate of Gripen...? I really have no idea about it...

Shed some light plz...
 
Defunct Humanity: MiG-35's new pics, interpretation

Monday, May 3, 2010

Since a number of new important articles were published in Russia at last I come back for posting most interesting of them. The strange lack of information about MiG-35 participation in MMRCA competition was solved by the publication in 'Take-Off' journal. They informed that two new MiG-35 prototypes were built in 2009: №961 and №967. The last was built on the base of MiG-29KUB №947 . It's in addition to the first prototype (MiG-35 №154). It confirmed too, that both new planes took participation in flying tests in India in October, 2009. Then, they turned to Russia where Zhuk-AE radar was installed on MiG-35D (№967). This spring both planes followed the testing in Zhukovsky. Different loads and flying systems were tested during these program.

Interestingly, both plane was made in Lukhovitsy, where MiG-29K\KUB program successefully started early. Other potential MiG-35 manufacturer - Sokol' plant - was not involved in the building. The pictures show regular nozzles without TVS. All these facts push to conclusion that MiG company stakes on maximal unification of the offered MiG-35 with the serial MiG-29K\KUB for Indian Navy. Probably it reflexes the wish of the Indian side too. If MiG-35 wins the tender, the total Indian fleet of last gen MiGs will reach 126+45=171 units. In such case the logistic burden would be significantly reduced, and the investment in RD-33 engine manufacturing in India would be justified. Also it allows to limit the manufacturing base to Lukhovitsy and not ti wait three years when 'Sokol' plant will be ready to MiG-35 production, if needed. Indeed the Indian tender conditions suppose production of only 18 planes abroad and the remained will be produced in India anyway.
 
No delay in MMRCA tender process: IAF Chief

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

The IAF has said there would be no delay in finalising the $11-billion 126 combat aircraft deal even though the two-year deadline for the bids submitted by six global aerospace majors ended last week.

"As far as the process (finalising the tenders) is concerned, it is well on track as was visualised," IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik said here on the sidelines of a function to unveil a portrait of Marshal of Air Force Arjan Singh at the Akash Mess yesterday.


Naik said the process of evaluating the six contenders for the 'mother of all deals' would take time and it was not an easy task.

"I am very happy and proud of our people, who have done this (evaluation) on time. They will finish off (the flight and weapons trials) by end of May. It will be a delay of about five or ten days. Our evaluation, testing is on schedule," he said, when asked if the deadline extension would delay the procurement process.

For the tenders floated in August 2007, US majors Lockheed Martin and Boeing, Russian RAC MiG, French D'Assault, Swedish SAAB and European consortium EADS had submitted their bids.

The companies have offered their F-16IN, F/A-18, MiG-35, Rafale, Gripen and Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft as the furture medium multirole combat aircraft for the IAF.

While the IAF has completed the technical evaluation of the bids submitted by the companies in early 2008, the commercial bids were yet to be opened.

The IAF began the flight and weapons evaluation of the six aircraft last year and is set to complete the trials by end of this month.

However, the deadline for the commercial bids ended last week following which the Defence Ministry asked the companies to submit fresh bids or extend the deadline for their existing bids.

When asked about the deadline extension, Naik said, "Deadline expiry is a routine thing, which happens in quite a few cases. The deadline is extended (in such cases)."

Meanwhile, senior IAF officials said they had set a timeline for three years since the tenders were issued to complete the process of evaluation of all the six aircraft in the fray.

"This three-year deadline we will be able to meet," they said.

To a query on the American Defence Security Cooperation Agency notifying the Congress on the possible sale of 10 Boeing C-17 transport aircraft to India through the Foreign Military Sales route, Naik said the IAF expects the US to send a Letter of Acceptance (LOA) soon.

"They will send us a letter of LOA from their side and the progress will continue. We expect it shortly," he said.

Earlier, Naik unveiled the portrait of Arjan Singh in the lobby of Akash Mess in the presence of the Marshal of the Air Force, his family members and artist Sanjay Bhattacharya, who had made the portrait.

"It is a very special privilege. Marshal is the only five-star officer amongst all the three services in the country at present. He is an icon as far as the IAF is concerned. His exploits are very well known. So it is a privilege for us to have a picture of his in the Akash mess, which is a special Air Force mess," Naik said.

Arjan Singh said the portrait was a recognition of the IAF's eight-decade contribution to the nation.

"I think it is not about the Marshal, but recognition of the Air Force's eight-decade work. The Air Force has always helped the country in not only fighting the enemy but also in humanitarian work. I am quite sure that the IAF is really well-organised, well-trained, and will continue to serve the country," he said
 
i think grippen is the best ---the following are directly from sabb official site.

Gripen IN is the most technologically advanced fighter aircraft in the world. Gripen IN is equipped with futuristic warfare technologies developed specifically for India and will be the first of the new generation, multi-role combat aircraft to enter service.



The Gripen IN in short:

* A powerful and proven engine
* AESA radar
* Advanced Communication systems
* Tactical Data Link
* Supercruise
* Advanced Electronic warfare
* Strategic reach
* Advanced Weapons Capacity
* Customer-specific weapons

Gripen IN – The independent choice:

* The world’s most technologically advanced multi-role fighter aircraft with futuristic warfare technologies developed specifically for India
* Meets or exceeds all defined operational requirement raised by the IAF in all roles
* Provides exceptional autonomous multi role capability in normal and hostile FOB operations, and acts as the perfect force multiplier
* Has substantially lower real Life Cycle Cost than it’s nearest competitor
* The only option that will fundamentally shift India’s defence technology prowess to one that is able to realise its ambition of being an independent global player
* In combination with the Industrial Cooperation program, Gripen’s program for IAF, Indian Defence and industrial establishment will make India by 2020 completely independent of the need to purchase combat aircraft from other countries and make it an exporter of aircraft like Sweden



Strategic leverage

Gripen is the only option that will fundamentally shift India’s defence technology prowess to one that is able to realise its ambition of being an independent global player.

Achieved through:

* Transfer of technology: all aspects of the product life cycle
* Industrial cooperation programme: covering key technologies
* Partnership around future generation fighter aircraft

In combination with the above, Gripen’s program for IAF, Indian Defence and industrial establishment will make India by 2020 completely independent of the need to purchase combat aircraft from other countries and make it an exporter of aircraft like Sweden.

Image: Photo Per Kustvik, Condesign.

Operational dominance

Given India’s large airspace boundaries and its potential threats requires an air
defence and air combat fleet that will give it operational dominance along its borders with five countries and a 7,500 plus kilometres coastline over the next four decades. The aircraft it requires should be able to deliver not only air power and air combat superiority but also logistical, multi-role and versatility in weapons and systems integration.

Strategic Reach:

* Forward Operating bases
* Ground Support Equipment
* Rapid turnaround with minimal personnel
* More time in the air
* Supercruise
* Superior situational awareness
* Advanced weapons & sensors, more aircraft per dollar

Defining the future

At delivery, Gripen IN will be the only aircraft that will be state of the art in technology and superior to other aircraft and the only one being modern at end of delivery.

Performance:

* Highly agile
* Multi-role capability
* Highly effective in all roles
* Supercruise
* Strategic reach
* Netcentric capability
* Carefree manoeuvring
* Advanced data link
* Extensive electronic warfaresystem

Unbeatable life cycle cost (LCC)

Gripen will, over life, cost the Indian Government very significantly less than its nearest competitor.

* Low LCC is one of the fundamental design criteria
* Single engine
* High MTBF
* Low MTTR
* Selfdiagnosis
* Minimum of recourses like GSE training and personal
* On condition maintenance


A smooth transition into operational service for IAF


- Deliveries from 2013: Initial deliveries time phased in accordance with operational requirements

- Perfect match with the SU-30 MKI and a true force multiplier using Tactical Data Link

- Experience of fleet transitions for Czech and Hungarian MIG-21 fleets

- Minimum logistics footprint

- Optimized training solution
- computerized training aids
- embedded training functions
- Customer adapted maintenance solution
Transfer of Technology (TOT)

* Saab is willing and able to provide ToT, that exceeds the requirements, to the Indian Government
* The level of ToT will enable India to manage all aspects of the life cycle including design
* Access to all levels of technology
* Saab is willing to enter a joint venture with Indian Aerospace Industry
with the aim to develop the next generation of fighters (MCA)

Genuine industrial co-operation in high technology areas

* India will be a key development and manufacturing hub for Saab and play a major role in development, production and support of future development programs.
* Saab / Gripen International Industrial Network will provide substantial and
long-term joint venture growth for the Indian Aerospace and Defence sector
* Substantial involvement in the Gripen development program
* Joint exploitation of other defence, security and aerospace opportunities
* Joint exploration of civil security and other non defence projects
* Industrial cooperation greater than 50% of contracted value
 
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