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Some facts on Poverty.





More links required?

What "FACTS" you were talking about? India is a well known third world hole, thats a "FACT"

Lets see some "FACTS" of China:
The new figures from the World Bank therefore confirm concerns that poverty has not been reduced by as much as was hoped, although it certainly has dropped since 1981.

However, it appears that much of the poverty reduction in the last couple of decades almost exclusively comes from China:

•China’s poverty rate fell from 85% to 15.9%, or by over 600 million people
•China accounts for nearly all the world’s reduction in poverty
•Excluding China, poverty fell only by around 10%

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Poverty Facts and Stats ? Global Issues

Lets see some "FACTS" of India:

India Tops world Hunger Chart: WFP Report. « Fotonix
India 134 on UN development index - Times Of India
BBC News - 'More poor' in India than Africa
Not enough food, so children learn to eat mud - Hindustan Times
Need more "FACTS"?
 
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Oh boy, you really believe there are no slums in Chinese cities, do you? Just google (or Baidu, whatever) 'slums in china' and you will all the information you need. In the meantime, here's a starting point for you:

New Economist: Why China needs its slums

You do not have eyes to see the news? it is slums? it is the same and the slums of India?

I tell you the truth you may not accept, almost all of the demolition have compensation, the question now is whether it is fair, whether it is a market price, but the bottom line can be a cost for all residents over...
 
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5 years ago, he may also have a chaotic form, now? almost all the news is as to whether to get a better price, but not without compensation.
 
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I said, you are too ignorant, in 1979 the Chinese government covered up many facts, you say comes from that. But if I explain to you, it is too complicated, really, to explain from scratch, if you understand Chinese, I can assure you recommend some articles and historical information, if the English, is too complicated to explain. incidentally, Deng was recommended by MAO.

Do forgive me, but that is the easiest way out - call other ignorant and give nothing to prove so.

and then escape with 'if I explain in English it is too complicated'.

Mao feared that the reformist economic policies of Deng and Liu could lead to restoration of capitalism and end the Chinese Revolution.[16] For this and other reasons, Mao launched the Cultural Revolution in 1966, during which Deng fell out of favor and was forced to retire from all his positions. In October 1969 he was sent to the Xinjian County Tractor Factory in rural Jiangxi province to work as a regular worker.[17] In the four years there,[18] Deng spent his spare time writing. He was purged nationally, but to a lesser scale than Liu Shaoqi.
1.Minqi Li. Socialism, capitalism, and class struggle: The Political economy of Modern china. Economic & Political Weekly, Dec. 2008
2. Deng Xiaoping − The Years of Hardship and Danger, People.com.cn, 10 July 2007
3. Film makers flock to tractor factory to shoot Deng's stories, News Guandong, 26 July 2004

When Premier Zhou Enlai fell ill with cancer, Deng Xiaoping became Zhou's choice as successor, and Zhou was able to convince Mao to bring Deng Xiaoping back into politics in 1974 as First Vice-Premier, in practice running daily affairs. Deng focused on reconstructing the country's economy and stressed unity as the first step by raising production. He remained careful, however, to avoid contradicting Maoist ideology, at least on paper.

Deng's political fortunes were dealt another blow following Qingming Festival, when the mass mourning of Premier Zhou on the traditional Chinese holiday sparked the Tiananmen Incident of 1976, an event the Gang of Four branded as counter-revolutionary and threatening to their power. Furthermore, the Gang deemed Deng the mastermind behind the incident, and Mao himself wrote that "the nature of things has changed".] This prompted Dang Fei to remove Deng from all leadership positions whilst retaining his party membership.
http://www.ls11.com/Article/jglx/gjjz/200408/4916.html


It may also be noted that After he delivered Zhou's official eulogy at the state funeral, the Gang of Four, with Mao's permission, began the so-called Criticize Deng and Oppose the Rehabilitation of Right-leaning Elements campaign. Hua Guofeng, not Deng, was selected to become Zhou's successor. On 2 February, the Central Committee issued a Top-priority Directive, officially transferring Deng to work on "external affairs", removing Deng from the party's power apparatus. Deng stayed at home for several months, awaiting his fate. The political turmoil brought the economic progress Deng had laboured for in the past year to a halt. On 3 March, Mao issued a directive reaffirming the legitimacy of the Cultural Revolution and specifically pointed to Deng as an internal, rather than external, problem. This was followed by a Central Committee directive issued to all local party organs to study Mao's directive and criticize Deng.

huzihaidao1, I will try to avoid replying to you since you only give very airy fairy statements without any links and then propound as if you are Moses giving the Sermon on the Mount!! I would beg to inform you that I am not impressed with fables and stentorian rouses as if it were the Gospel and Infallible. Even the Pope today is not taken to be Infallible!!
 
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Oh boy, you really believe there are no slums in Chinese cities, do you? Just google (or Baidu, whatever) 'slums in china' and you will all the information you need. In the meantime, here's a starting point for you:

New Economist: Why China needs its slums


Yes, China does have the largest slums-population in the world, but it is not poverty-population.
China Website Information:
http://cn.reuters.com/article/CNTopGenNews/idCNCHINA-1928320100322

And India's data not better than China.
Slum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
800px-Urban_population_living_in_slums.svg.png
 
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I am getting sick of these constant lectures on Chinese issues from Indians, I am officially asking Indian fellows, what do you want to teach us about our own country?

How many of you are willing to give us lectures on the "fact" about China? And what are your purposes of doing these?

People who is interested in giving us lessons on China, please thank this post and I am going to start a thread exclusively intened for those lectures.
 
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Connection? to you, from our first argument.


Forced Evictions Skyrocket due to Commonwealth Games | ICAWPI - the International Campaign Against War on the People of India

Forced Evictions Skyrocket due to Commonwealth Games .
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Results of India's urban "beautification" campaign for the Commonwealth Games

Housing and Land Rights Network

New Delhi, October 13, 2010

Forced Evictions due to Commonwealth Games Violate Human Rights, Contribute to a Permanent Negative Social Legacy

The preparations for Delhi’s Commonwealth Games (CWG) have witnessed a range of human rights violations of the city’s working poor, including the homeless, beggars, street vendors, and construction workers. The process has also been marred by financial mismanagement, embezzlement of public funds, and lack of accountability. One of the least reported violations, however, has been the forced eviction and demolition of the homes of thousands of Delhi’s residents. These evictions have taken place for various reasons ranging from constructing stadiums, building parking lots, widening roads, city ‘beautification,’ and clearing of streets on grounds of ‘security.’

Housing and Land Rights Network (HLRN) has been involved in a study on forced evictions carried out due to the Commonwealth Games in Delhi. HLRN estimates that at least 250,000 people in Delhi have lost their homes as a direct result of the Games since 2004. A table of some of the demolished sites is included below.

While the study is still ongoing, preliminary findings from a few sites reveal the following characteristics of forced evictions:

1. Failure to provide notice and reason for the demolition; due process not followed

In majority of the cases, authorities did not provide a notice for the demolition. The only exceptions were Dargah Bhure Shah Camp, Viklang Basti, and Madrasi Camp (notice pasted two days before the demolition). The usual trend has been of police threatening people to vacate the area on the evening before the demolition. People of the settlement near Shiv Mandir, Sewa Nagar, were very vocal about the fact that they had not been informed about the demolition. Said Ms. Ishwar Kali, “If they had to break our homes, at least they could have told us.” People from various sites reported that their homes were destroyed while they were away.
The Bengali Camp demolition took place on January 13, 2009, when people were celebrating the winter festival of ‘Lohri.’

2. Use of force and large police presence during the demolition

All slums demolitions took place in the presence of a large police force. Approximately 200 police personnel were present for the Dargah Bhure Shah Camp demolition, 100 at Madrasi Camp, 100-150 for the demolition of 25 jhuggis (homes) in the Sai Baba Camp, and two police buses, eight bulldozers and 8-10 fire brigades for the Gadia Lohar Basti demolition. While women police officials were present during the demolitions, they generally just stood and watched.

3. Injury and adverse effects on health

At Shaheed Arjun Das Camp in East Kidwai Nagar, a woman delivered a baby girl early in the morning, a few hours before the demolition began on January 13, 2009. On seeing the bulldozers she lost consciousness for four hours and could not even be taken to a hospital. The shock of the demolition has left Kamla, aged 40, from the settlement near Shiv Mandir, Sewa Nagar, permanently paralysed on her left side. People in Bengali Camp reported that there was a stampede like situation once the demolition started. An old woman fell to the ground and someone dragged a cylinder over her, and was miraculously saved.

aMost people from the demolished camps reported that the frequency of illness, especially among children, increased after the demolition. Poor sanitation, lack of access to medical facilities, and living in the open, contributes to the spread of illnesses like fever, cough, and cold, and diseases such as pneumonia, malaria and dengue.

4. Loss and destruction of possessions

Evicted people from all sites expressed their frustration at not being able to salvage their possessions. Women from Bengali Camp mentioned that children’s milk was confiscated, while a woman from Shaheed Arjun Das Camp said that even the food they were cooking got buried under the rubble. A disturbing fact is that whatever possessions people managed to save, including cooking vessels, were later confiscated by officials. Satyadeen Maurya of Sai Baba Camp recounts how all his belongings were crushed under the bulldozer. Dargah Bhure Shah Camp was the only settlement where people reported that they had managed to save their possessions.

5. Children adversely affected

The psychological impacts on children who lose their homes and witness a demolition, are severe and long-lasting. Several children have been forced to drop out of school. Many have lost a year because the demolitions happened immediately before or during examination time. Pyarelal’s son lost an entire school year as the Dargah Bhure Shah Camp demolition took place on May 14, 2007, during school exams.

6. Death of persons

Two homeless persons lost their lives at the Pusa Road Roundabout when the MCD demolished their night shelter during the peak of Delhi’s winter on December 24, 2009. Investigations at various sites have revealed suicidal tendencies and some deaths amongst displaced communities due to adverse living conditions and the lack of any housing. At Bengali Camp, residents mentioned two lives being lost to dengue.

7. Loss of livelihood and income

For most of the affected, demolition of homes also means a loss of livelihood opportunities. Several families of the Sai Baba Camp are now entirely dependent on the temple for their meals. “I have not been able to earn one rupee after the demolition” said Bajrang from Sai Baba Camp. Many others have reported a marked decrease in income. A woman at the Gadia Lohar Basti reported a drop in income from Rs. 100-200 (before the eviction) to Rs. 20-30 per day. Pyarelal of Dargah Bhure Shah Camp owns a barber shop. He said that while previously he earned between Rs. 400 to Rs. 1000 in a day, after the demolition, the maximum he has earned in a day is Rs. 400.

Demolitions also result in temporary loss of wages for the evicted. Women of the Madrasi Camp who work as domestic help in nearby areas said they lost wages for two-three months when they were living on the streets. Wage labourers find it impossible to go to work when their possessions are lying in the open, as they fear theft. Evicted families at all sites reported a marked increase in expenses on healthcare, travelling and rent.

It is not just homes but also small shops and other enterprises that have been destroyed for the Games. Daily wage earners, vendors and other informal sector workers across Delhi have lost their livelihoods. The police beat Shekhar, 14, from Sai Baba Camp when he tried to sell flowers near the Sai Baba temple. Authorities demolished around 70 shops in the vicinity of the Gadia Lohar Basti and 10-12 shops in Kotla Pilanji Gaon, adjacent to the Thyagaraja Stadium. Weekly markets have been prohibited and other markets such as the one in Sarojini Nagar have also been cleared of vendors for the duration of the Games.

8. No compensation or resettlement provided in all cases but one

No compensation or resettlement has been provided at any of the sites surveyed. The only exception was the Dargah Bhure Shah Camp, where plots have been allotted in Savda Ghewra to around 80-85 of the 115 families who lost their homes. While the High Court of Delhi has ordered relocation for the families at Gadia Lohar Basti, they have still not received any form of rehabilitation. People of the demolished Shaheed Arjun Das Camp have survived by putting plastic sheets over the broken walls of what was once their home. But every morning they have to remove the plastic sheets, as they are afraid the police will destroy them.

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9. Violation of national and international human rights law

All the above characteristics of forced evictions carried out in the run up to the CWG indicate a violation of a range of national and international legal instruments, in particular the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the Convention on the Rights of the Child, Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, and the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. They also contravene the UN Basic Principles and Guidelines on Development-based Evictions and Displacement, which stipulate that evictions must not take place in inclement weather, at night, during festivals or religious holidays, prior to elections or during or just prior to school examinations. The UN Guidelines call for States to ensure that no one is subject to direct or indiscriminate attacks or other acts of violence and also mandate just compensation and sufficient alternative accommodation, or restitution when feasible, to be provided immediately upon the eviction.1

The forced eviction and demolition of people’s homes without due process also violates the Indian constitution. The Supreme Court of India has held that the right to adequate housing is a fundamental human right emanating from the right to life. The High Court of Delhi in its February 13, 2010 judgement in the case Sudama Singh and others v. Government of Delhi and others, clearly calls for the protection of the right to adequate housing, minimising of evictions, and adequate rehabilitation.

Forced evictions, as affirmed by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights in 1993, constitute a gross violation of human rights, including the right to adequate housing. The UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights encourages State Parties to ensure that “legislative and other measures are adequate to prevent, and if appropriate punish, forced evictions carried out without appropriate safeguards by private persons or bodies.”

The Delhi authorities responsible for forced evictions have violated people’s entitlements to security of tenure and freedom from forced evictions; access to, and benefit from public goods and services; information, capacity and capacity building; participation and self-expression; rights to resettlement and adequate compensation for violations and losses; and physical security and privacy. All are elements of the human right to adequate housing as recognized in international law.

While the attention of the media has been centred on lack of preparedness, organizational glitches and financial scandals related to the CWG, the more severe impacts of the Games have largely been ignored. Attention needs to be drawn to the serious human rights violations, especially of construction workers who have been denied minimum wages and decent working conditions, of the homeless and ‘beggars’ who have been arrested, detained and forcefully banished from the city, of women and children who have been trafficked, of over 300,000 street vendors who have been denied their right to work and are going hungry, and of slum dwellers who have been evicted for the Games.2 These abuses have contributed to the creation of a permanent negative social legacy of the Games, in contradiction to the claims of benefits and false notion of ‘national pride’ that the organisers constantly harp on.

Recommendations:

· Immediate compensation to be provided to all evicted families for loss of their homes, possessions and livelihoods.

· Compensation to be paid to all those who suffered injuries or adverse health impacts.

· Compensation to be paid to families whose members lost their lives as a result of the forced eviction.

· Adequate rehabilitation to be provided to all evicted families, in accordance with international human rights standards, including the UN Basic Principles and Guidelines on Development-based Evictions and Displacement and judgements of the High Court of Delhi, in particular the Sudama Singh case.

· Improvement of living conditions in existing resettlement sites, including provision of basic services, infrastructure, healthcare, education and transport.

1 The Guidelines are available at: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/issues/housing/docs/guidelines_en.pdf. 2 See HLRN press release on human rights violations at: http://www.hic-sarp.org/documents/Press_Release_12_August_2010.pdf.

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· Restoration of educational facilities for evicted children, including provision of school books, uniforms and other material destroyed during the eviction.

· Expansion of ongoing investigations by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Enforcement Directorate, Central Vigilance Commission, and Parliament, to include human rights violations.

· Prosecution of all officials who are found guilty.

· Study and audit of the social, economic, and environmental impacts of the Games.

· Moratorium on evictions in Delhi, including of the 44 settlements that have been listed for demolition after the Games.

The dazzling opening and expected closing ceremony of the Commonwealth Games and India’s commendable sporting performance cannot in any way erase the gravity of human rights violations committed by the state and central government in the preparation of the event. The government must accept responsibility for the intense suffering of Delhi’s poor due to the Games, and provide compensation, restitution and rehabilitation at the earliest. The legacy plan of the Games must focus on restoring social justice to the thousands of evicted families, as well as the homeless, beggars, street vendors and construction workers who have witnessed the worst violations of their human rights in the name of the Games. The state must ensure the protection of the human rights of the city’s working poor and marginalised populations. India’s stark socio-economic reality should have precluded the government from bidding for the Commonwealth Games. Given the inability to deal with the colossal costs and consequences of mega events, as demonstrated in the case of the CWG, the country must under no circumstances bid for the Olympics or other such events.

LIST OF SOME SITES DEMOLISHED DUE TO THE COMMONWEALTH GAMES
 
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On demolitions and compensations in China.

The latest tragedy in a string of bloody cases of forced demolition in the country occurred on Tuesday in Shanghai, when a 49-year-old man died while trying to protect his house....

The incident came only one day after a former construction official in Northeast China's Heilongjiang province and his two sons set themselves on fire to protest against the demolition of their property. Local police said the three may face charges of threatening public security by dangerous means and violently resisting normal law enforcement......

China has witnessed a long list of forced demolition cases, in which disgruntled property owners have resorted to extreme means to protest against the forced destruction of their houses.

China's current regulation on urban housing demolition allows governments to acquire people's houses for public projects. The government and real estate developers sometimes hire professional demolition companies to negotiate with people or even force them to move out.....

Mystery over demolition death in Shanghai - China.org.cn


The news is from China.

Now, if the compensation was adequate and fair, why has a person required to protect his house?

why should a man and two sons set themselves on fire if compensation is being paid?

Funny!
 
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I am getting sick of these constant lectures on Chinese issues from Indians, I am officially asking Indian fellows, what do you want to teach us about our own country?

How many of you are willing to give us lectures on the "fact" about China? And what are your purposes of doing these?

People who is interested in giving us lessons on China, please thank this post and I am going to start a thread exclusively intened for those lectures.

No.

India is not a perfect country and none of us pretend it is.

However, when some people from another country wants to hide well known facts and project it as milk and honey, it become imperative on an international forum, visited by many posters and guests from all over the world, that this forum is not projected as a juvenile rumpus and that there are posters who can be hoodwinked and are totally intellect deficit. It is a forum for information exchange.

Since we are on this forum, it is our duty to ensure that the reputation of the forum does not sink into people believing it is a juvenile rumpus on display. I am well aware as to through what those people who have made this forum what it is, have had to go through to bring it of this standard and they are still trying. It is therefore our bounden duty to ensure that the forum reaches the zenith.

I maybe an Indian, but I have had a long association with this forum and I daresay I have contributed to its status as many others have too!

No one can tell China how it is to be governed.

Yet, let us not also pull wool.
 
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Do forgive me, but that is the easiest way out - call other ignorant and give nothing to prove so.

and then escape with 'if I explain in English it is too complicated'.



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When Premier Zhou Enlai fell ill with cancer, Deng Xiaoping became Zhou's choice as successor, and Zhou was able to convince Mao to bring Deng Xiaoping back into politics in 1974 as First Vice-Premier, in practice running daily affairs. Deng focused on reconstructing the country's economy and stressed unity as the first step by raising production. He remained careful, however, to avoid contradicting Maoist ideology, at least on paper.

Deng's political fortunes were dealt another blow following Qingming Festival, when the mass mourning of Premier Zhou on the traditional Chinese holiday sparked the Tiananmen Incident of 1976, an event the Gang of Four branded as counter-revolutionary and threatening to their power. Furthermore, the Gang deemed Deng the mastermind behind the incident, and Mao himself wrote that "the nature of things has changed".] This prompted Dang Fei to remove Deng from all leadership positions whilst retaining his party membership.
http://www.ls11.com/Article/jglx/gjjz/200408/4916.html


It may also be noted that After he delivered Zhou's official eulogy at the state funeral, the Gang of Four, with Mao's permission, began the so-called Criticize Deng and Oppose the Rehabilitation of Right-leaning Elements campaign. Hua Guofeng, not Deng, was selected to become Zhou's successor. On 2 February, the Central Committee issued a Top-priority Directive, officially transferring Deng to work on "external affairs", removing Deng from the party's power apparatus. Deng stayed at home for several months, awaiting his fate. The political turmoil brought the economic progress Deng had laboured for in the past year to a halt. On 3 March, Mao issued a directive reaffirming the legitimacy of the Cultural Revolution and specifically pointed to Deng as an internal, rather than external, problem. This was followed by a Central Committee directive issued to all local party organs to study Mao's directive and criticize Deng.

huzihaidao1, I will try to avoid replying to you since you only give very airy fairy statements without any links and then propound as if you are Moses giving the Sermon on the Mount!! I would beg to inform you that I am not impressed with fables and stentorian rouses as if it were the Gospel and Infallible. Even the Pope today is not taken to be Infallible!!
You do not even know why I said, this is not a news, he is complex and deep relationship to politics, any political, if you do not understand any of its historical background, it is entirely hole. you understand ? you complete do not know what is behind the history.

I'll give you a website, a Maoist China only allowed sites, I do not agree with their views, many aspects, but some historical facts, I think can do for reference. If you are interested to see.

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On demolitions and compensations in China.




The news is from China.

Now, if the compensation was adequate and fair, why has a person required to protect his house?

why should a man and two sons set themselves on fire if compensation is being paid?

Funny!

Yes, it is China's news, and even China does not hide it, because it has a very rare example.For the reason, can only say that if he wanted a cost price, he must have been provided, but a fair price should be based on market price. that man can not accept this price, the company also has a barbaric act, so the occurrence of a tragedy.


http://sh.sina.com.cn/news/s/2010-12-02/0800164461.html
但此新政的推出却带来了意想不到的问题。据黄浦区当时的表态,东元坊动迁安置试点时频频发生私房共有产权人钻“套型保底”政策的空子,诉请法院进行拆产分户,增加了拆迁工作的困难。

  于是,拆迁日期一延再延。至今年7月,黄浦区住房保障和房屋管理局再发“黄房管发[2010]0056号”,于2009年12月提出延长拆迁申请之后,再次申请延长东元坊住宅小区项目房屋拆迁期限。

  今年6月9日,上海市政府曾召开全市规范和加强行政执法工作电视电话会议,会议中黄浦区区长周伟谈及黄浦区旧改动拆迁的工作经验,指黄浦区将“加强拆迁过程中各种突发情况应变的培训,坚决防止野蛮强迁”。


You can see here, is negotiating for the price. has been delayed for many times. But as some brutality. that the tragedy still happened.
 
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No.

India is not a perfect country and none of us pretend it is.However, when some people from another country wants to hide well known facts and project it as milk and honey, it become imperative on an international forum, visited by many posters and guests from all over the world, that this forum is not projected as a juvenile rumpus and that there are posters who can be hoodwinked and are totally intellect deficit. It is a forum for information exchange.

Since we are on this forum, it is our duty to ensure that the reputation of the forum does not sink into people believing it is a juvenile rumpus on display. I am well aware as to through what those people who have made this forum what it is, have had to go through to bring it of this standard and they are still trying. It is therefore our bounden duty to ensure that the forum reaches the zenith.

I maybe an Indian, but I have had a long association with this forum and I daresay I have contributed to its status as many others have too!

No one can tell China how it is to be governed.

Yet, let us not also pull wool.

Slums?

Yes in a democracy it is not possible to demolish them.

But in a totalitarian regime, it is always possible and the people are not material.

Don't believe it. Here is what China Daily has reported. Some extracts:

Oh? then your change is fast.
 
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In India one just cannot force anyone out, compensation or otherwise.

None can violate Individual rights.

Goondagardi by the Government or by the promoters or builders is not tolerated.

Nandigram and Singur are two good examples.

Google.
 
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