Countries not willing to talk about Kashmir because of India's influence: Former Pakistan diplomat

[oOo]

What's the Kashmiri cause then?
Why are only some Muslims who want to separate? Why not the Buddhists in leh or the hindus in Jammu?

Only muslims have causes, all over the world.

 

[Jackdaws]

In return, we could make it expensive to hold your 4 states together.
Would you like it if india spent all her energy in creating a Somalia or Venezuela out of you?

Wouldn't that be a step up for that state?

 

[oOo]

@El Sidd I heard your cause for being on PDF was done. Still here?

 

[Jackdaws]

What's the Kashmiri cause then?
Why are only some Muslims who want to separate? Why not the Buddhists in leh or the hindus in Jammu?

And that too - why not the Shias in the Kargil area?

 

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd I heard your cause for being on PDF was done. Still here?

@The Eagle he won't delete my email. It's like a dictatorship I tell yaaa

 

[oOo]

@The Eagle he won't delete my email. It's like a dictatorship I tell yaaa

I can tell you ways but they are not kosher.

 

[El Sidd]

I can tell you ways but they are not kosher.

Eww.....

Yakh schmakh

No kosher no deal

 

[Corona]

All due respect: we'll send whomever suits us

Then peace is not what you wan't in Kashmir.

 

[Jackdaws]

Then peace is not what you wan't in Kashmir.

Of course not. They want it to reinforce their own existence as a nation-state.

 

[M. Sarmad]

But what's stopping Pakistan to complete the preconditions of UN resolution about Kashmir referendum?

Pakistan is under no obligation to unilaterally withdraw its troops from Kashmir. The demilitarization of Jammu and Kashmir was to take place in a synchronized manner on both sides of the ceasefire line. It was India which refused to implement the process of demilitarization.

The proof of Indian refusal to demilitarize is to be found in the report of Sir Owen Dixon (an eminent Australian Jurist and United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan) to the Security Council, contained in Document S-1971, in which he concluded as follows:-

"In the end, I became convinced that India’s agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any form or to provisions governing the period of plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion, permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation and other forms of influence and abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperilled."(Para 52 of Document S/1971).


From 1949 to 1952 eleven proposals (for demilitarization) were made by the UN which were accepted by Pakistan but rejected by India. Pakistan was even prepared to pull out its troops in favor of the UN troops irrespective of the Indian reaction to such a proposal and told the UN that it made no conditions.

And you guys still have the audacity to blame Pakistan !!

Kashmir is a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan.

Then why does the UN refuses to disband the UNMOGIP despite repeated Indian requests ??

 

[El Sidd]

Then why does the UN refuses to disband the UNMOGIP despite repeated Indian requests ??

I have no idea. My only connection with UN died 11 years ago.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I have no idea. My only connection with UN died 11 years ago.

Here's what the UN's chief military observer in India and Pakistan mission had to say on this matter :


"UN's position is that UNMOGIP could be terminated only by a decision of the Security Council. The Shimla agreement does not supersede the UNMOGIP mission here until another UN resolution for terminating it is issued.

"Indians may have another point of view when they interpret the Shimla agreement.

"But whenever we would terminate the UN mission here, the consent of both parties will be essential." he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...as-claim-military-group-needs-disbanding.html

 

[UnitedPak]

What's the Kashmiri cause then?
Why are only some Muslims who want to separate? Why not the Buddhists in leh or the hindus in Jammu?

Since they are not your countrymen, you are forgiven for not knowing about their cause. They were promised a referendum for self determination and this was never delivered. Its really that simple. The need for this goes back to well before the partition when they suffered injustice by Dogra rulers. Indian government continuing the same violent practices did not help the matter. The demand for self determination still stands. It's not going to go away, ever.

Only muslims have causes, all over the world.

Feel free to go back to British rule.

 

[VCheng]

Then why does the UN refuses to disband the UNMOGIP despite repeated Indian requests ??

The official UN position is as follows:

"Given the disagreement between the two parties over UNMOGIP's mandate and functions, the Secretary-General's position has been that UNMOGIP could be terminated only by a decision of the Security Council. In the absence of such an agreement, UNMOGIP has been maintained with the same arrangements as established following December 1971 ceasefire. The tasks of UNMOGIP have been to observe, to the extent possible, developments pertaining to the strict observance of the ceasefire of 17 December 1971 and to report thereon to the Secretary-General. The last report of the Secretary-General to the Security Council on UNMOGIP was published in 1972.

Since the Simla Agreement of 1972, India has adopted a non-recognition policy towards third parties in their bilateral exchanges with Pakistan over the question regarding the state of Jammu and Kashmir. The military authorities of Pakistan have continued to lodge alleged ceasefire violations complaints with UNMOGIP. The military authorities of India have lodged no complaints since January 1972 limiting the activities of the UN observers on the Indian-administered side of the Line of Control, though they continue to provide necessary security, transport and other services to UNMOGIP. "

 

[M. Sarmad]

The official UN position is as follows:

"Given the disagreement between the two parties over UNMOGIP's mandate and functions, the Secretary-General's position has been that UNMOGIP could be terminated only by a decision of the Security Council. In the absence of such an agreement, UNMOGIP has been maintained with the same arrangements as established following December 1971 ceasefire. The tasks of UNMOGIP have been to observe, to the extent possible, developments pertaining to the strict observance of the ceasefire of 17 December 1971 and to report thereon to the Secretary-General. The last report of the Secretary-General to the Security Council on UNMOGIP was published in 1972.

Since the Simla Agreement of 1972, India has adopted a non-recognition policy towards third parties in their bilateral exchanges with Pakistan over the question regarding the state of Jammu and Kashmir. The military authorities of Pakistan have continued to lodge alleged ceasefire violations complaints with UNMOGIP. The military authorities of India have lodged no complaints since January 1972 limiting the activities of the UN observers on the Indian-administered side of the Line of Control, though they continue to provide necessary security, transport and other services to UNMOGIP. "

In other words, the Indian interpretation of Simla Agreement is not accepted by the UN


In words of the former UNMOGIP chief, The Shimla agreement does not supersede the UNMOGIP mission