Could Iran be a future problem?

[somebozo]

well if after a massacre and genocide of 80,000+ innocent muslim babies, women, elderly and men at the hands of those shia alawite thugs u call it a US/Israel sponsered rebellion then i say lanat on your aql and ur existence. were those muslim babies who were slaughtered, those sisters whose wombs torn apart, those elderly whose eyes gorged out, those youth cut into pieces by those shia alawite thugs were also US/Israeli agents?
Moreover i m not ideologically confused rather its u who's become mentally and intellectually retarded because of seeing every thing through the lens of nationalism and patriotism rather than islam.
And yes i m no brainwashed indoctrinated nationalist or patriot like you rather my point of reference for every thing is islam and shariah alone. i consider nationalism and patriotism (in which u justify everything of ur country without consideration of right and wrong) as shirk and kufr.

and dont try to act like some self appointed thekaydar of Pakistan. u r no 1 to ask me to leave Pakistan.

If ur so much in love with those kafirs of syria then keep loving them. I wud keep loving and supporting the momineen.

The sunnis have done equally worst too..this is a sectarian conflict and both sides have crimes on their hands. But never the less the SUnni's started it first by pimping themselves and their women to oil sheikdoms.

US forces are more close to Iran's eastern border than western.
Applying common sense....... it shall be more worried about eastern border!

It is quite interesting to note that an unguarded Iran - Afghanistan border is all peaceful, while heavily guarded Pakistan - Afghanistan border is burning Pakistan flags and all sort of attacks.

Because Taliban and AQ are Iran's #1 enemy as well and there is tactic understanding between Iran and West on issues of Afghanistan and Iraq. Hence why the west tolerates Iran nuke ambition with dialogue while it was wham bham thank you mam with Afghanistan and Iraq

Syria are fighting a war of survival just like Pakistan are.

Those "rebels" are funded and armed by US/Israel/Saudi/Qatar. Israel can bomb Syria like they did in Damascus and these so called muslims would not say a word and carry on.

For you to believe that the militancy in Syria is right, you are backing Israel and not your "ummah".

You are ideologically confused.

In other posts I have noticed you have no sense of patriotism and can belittle your army based on lies.

I suggest you leave Pakistan and never return.

Well said...if any country wants to progress and stabilize they need to get away from this 7th century Bedouin nonsense. Islam is dying in Arabia and they are desperately looking overseas to outsource their salafacist mission and pacify their backward tribals.

 

[Harmonia Dragon]

israel zionist killing children & women in palestine...no one care
usa killing children & women in afghanistan,pakistan & Irak.............no one care

militan in syria, all faction in syria war they not fight for ummah/muslim world..... they fight for the ego, for the sect & throne/power/gold...........syria war is not jihad just pure stupid war
syria war is plan to make muslim killing other muslim...

hezbullah they fight israel for protect their homeland.. nothing wrong..that is jihad
my homeland indonesia.. we fight dutch & japan for independence that is jihad
algeria fight france for independence that is jihad
pakistan fight the british empire in the past is jihad

Israel is source all problem & war in middle east
all zionist must be terminate

all ummah/muslim world from all division must united


Pakistan No.1 enemy is USA,Wahabbi/khawarij & Corruption

 

[Serpentine]

Why would Iran be a problem for Pakistan? Don't we have enough problems in home? Haven't we given enough blood for terrorism,drugs and extremism?Why do you think a powerful Iran will be a problem for Pakistan? Actually, it's vice versa. A powerful and advanced Iran can also help Pakistan to grow much faster,and also fulfill energy hungry Pakistan's demands. If we make a problem for Pakistan, it will be a shoot in our feet,because we are neighbors and a more destabilized Pakistan means destabilization for Iran and an stable Pakistan means a great atmosphere for development of Iran's southeastern area and southwestern Pakistan, a drug and terrorism-free border.Everywhere development goes, backwardness and terrorism goes out from the other door.Development is enemy of backwardness. Iran is the least of your concerns now.Just today, I heard a Pakistani lawyer and his 2 sons were killed by terrorists only because they were Shias. But before being Shia, they were humans and all people in Pakistan suffer from this extremism funded by certain countries. Actually sect is not important here, the point is they were killed because their beliefs were intolerable for terror gangs.

 

[BATMAN]

Because Taliban and AQ are Iran's #1 enemy as well and there is tactic understanding between Iran and West on issues of Afghanistan and Iraq. Hence why the west tolerates Iran nuke ambition with dialogue while it was wham bham thank you mam with Afghanistan and Iraq

Just for the sake of clarification---
you don't see, west having any issues with Iranian nuclear program, right?
why is Iran enemy of once Taliban and AQ?
What was the basis of understanding of west with Iran, in invasion of Iraq?

 

[Menace2Society]

Moreover i m not ideologically confused rather its u who's become mentally and intellectually retarded because of seeing every thing through the lens of nationalism and patriotism rather than islam.

And yes i m no brainwashed indoctrinated nationalist or patriot like you rather my point of reference for every thing is islam and shariah alone. i consider nationalism and patriotism (in which u justify everything of ur country without consideration of right and wrong) as shirk and kufr.

and dont try to act like some self appointed thekaydar of Pakistan and keep ur stupid suggestions to urself.

If ur so much in love with those kafirs of syria then keep loving them. I wud keep loving and supporting the momineen.

Remember 2 things my lost friend:

The soil you live on gives you freedom

Religion gives you spirituality

Don't confuse the two.

The arabs confused them and look where they are now. They are nothing, conquered.

As a community in British India we were nothing, we were good muslims but we were nothing. Most of us were rolling around in our own sh*t in a slum. Facing persecution and racism.

This land you live on has given you freedom and an equal chance of being all that a human can be.

I am unashamedly a patriot for that very reason and you need to understand the importance of that also. Instead of reading what idiot clerics are saying in Yemen and taking on their version of the world, perhaps read up on your own history.

Start with this, listen to the person who played a part in giving you this freedom:

 

[HAIDER]

Iranian politicians are bunch of idiots who are pushing the country towards extinction. As far as invasion is concerned while Iran would like to have strong offensive capabilities and dominate the Persian gulf, a free and strong Pro-Pakistan Iran is beneficial to Pakistan in the long term. No estimates of Iran would invade Pakistan but as history hints it has hands in creating local sectarian chaos.


And you will be his personal spokesman on PDF?



And so did Iran backed Tehrek e Jaffaria.

Iran is ruled by lunatics and that is a danger grave enough.

Try discover the background of Tehrik e jafaria, first its not terror group and its only Islamabad based political organization of few well known local mullah.

 

[RangerPK]

In the future, how would Iran act if they were sanction free and economically/financially strong?

I would like to think they would remain the same, peaceful.

However they are known to be very ambitious, would they look to encroach on Pakistan's territory? Look to destabilize and land grab.

The US has given countless warnings to Pakistan not to trust Iran. The goal of the US is to destroy Iran, are they convincing Pakistan to converge with the same goal as it would be beneficial for them also.

Let me make it clear, I like Iran, nothing against them.

This is purely hypothetical, as countries do change when they grow in influence, and geo-politics will be always be there.

I think Iran was one of the first countries which recognized the sovereignty of Pakistan. So in a way Iran does not have any ambition for land grabbing... but things have changed there are no empires any more, and there are ways to influences states now with out much or any physical presence, America does it all the time...

Though I am afraid Iran might try to bring in the Middle East drama into Pakistan, sanctions or no sanctions. I do not want such fitna.

I think Iran might consider some sort of union with Pakistan like EU, but I am afraid it might bring fitna with it too.



If I said anything wrong, then Allah forgive me.

 

[agnosticpunjabi]

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Well this cannot be done now. Its like saying Pakistanis should go back to Arabia which the extremist hindus used to say.

A two state solution is what many say could solve the problem.

Actually Israeli's are basically Europeans who have invaded Palestine, where as Pakistani's are South Asian's who's ancestors converted to Islam so they actually belong in South Asia not Arabia.

 

[somebozo]

Remember 2 things my lost friend:

The soil you live on gives you freedom

Religion gives you spirituality

Don't confuse the two.

The arabs confused them and look where they are now. They are nothing, conquered.

As a community in British India we were nothing, we were good muslims but we were nothing. Most of us were rolling around in our own sh*t in a slum. Facing persecution and racism.

This land you live on has given you freedom and an equal chance of being all that a human can be.

I am unashamedly a patriot for that very reason and you need to understand the importance of that also. Instead of reading what idiot clerics are saying in Yemen and taking on their version of the world, perhaps read up on your own history.

Start with this, listen to the person who played a part in giving you this freedom:

Islam needs to be out of classrooms, homes, minds and society for Pakistan to survive..take example of Turkey!

 

[uzair ramay]

so what we pakistanis also want israel wiped out of the world....

 

[Menace2Society]

Islam needs to be out of classrooms, homes, minds and society for Pakistan to survive..take example of Turkey!

That is a bit extreme.

Islam is very important, it offers spirtuality so to remove it from society would be the worst thing you can do. Even in western countries you would study religion in school so I see no reason to change that.

Just make sure the key thing the child understands after finishing his/her schooling is a deep knowledge of their roots and the country they live in.

Not learning about how you don't need a nationality if you are a Muslim. Nonsense like this stops our youth from valuing their country and they stop caring about it and worst of all not care at all when it is being harmed.

It saddens me so much, we sacrificed so many to have a land which we can call our own and have finally have a say in how we are treated in the world. It is a beautiful thing that needs to be cherished.

But preachers in Yemen and from other arab countries are polluting our people's mind, making them turn their back on this land.

For these people they will only realise when it is gone and they are wandering the world looking for a home, hoping being Muslim will mean we will have equal share in other Muslim countries. But it doesn't work like that, it is 2013, it is a harsh world, every community sees it as what is mine is mine, what is yours is yours. You never get an equal share, just ask the Turkish slaves during the Arab empire.

 

[somebozo]

That is a bit extreme.

Islam is very important, it offers spirtuality so to remove it from society would be the worst thing you can do. Even in western countries you would study religion in school so I see no reason to change that.

Just make sure the key thing the child understands after finishing his/her schooling is a deep knowledge of their roots and the country they live in.

Not learning about how you don't need a nationality if you are a Muslim. Nonsense like this stops our youth from valuing their country and they stop caring about it and worst of all not care at all when it is being harmed.

It saddens me so much, we sacrificed so many to have a land which we can call our own and have finally have a say in how we are treated in the world. It is a beautiful thing that needs to be cherished.

But preachers in Yemen and from other arab countries are polluting our people's mind, making them turn their back on this land.

For these people they will only realise when it is gone and they are wandering the world looking for a home, hoping being Muslim will mean we will have equal share in other Muslim countries. But it doesn't work like that, it is 2013, it is a harsh world, every community sees it as what is mine is mine, what is yours is yours. You never get an equal share, just ask the Turkish slaves during the Arab empire.

Preachers from Arabia will continue to pollute other people mind because this is what Islam is exactly supposed to do. Give a platform to export Arab mentality, imperialism and conflicts to others. There is no way out other than booting the religion out completely and reduce it to ceremonial role. Otherwise the nation will remain identity confused because Islam interferes between nation bonding to its land.

 

[Menace2Society]

Preachers from Arabia will continue to pollute other people mind because this is what Islam is exactly supposed to do. Give a platform to export Arab mentality, imperialism and conflicts to others. There is no way out other than booting the religion out completely and reduce it to ceremonial role. Otherwise the nation will remain identity confused because Islam interferes between nation bonding to its land.

I completely disagree, it depends on how it is interpreted.

If you are citing Turkey as an example, let me tell you Turkey are conquered people. They destroyed the Ottomans and they stripped them of their culture, language, religion, everything. Not a good example at all.

Religion is important for spirituality when used in the right way so must be taught in a certain way at school. It is the gateway to freedom of thought and expression, the Renaissance is a testament to this.

 

[somebozo]

I completely disagree, it depends on how it is interpreted.

If you are citing Turkey as an example, let me tell you Turkey are conquered people. They destroyed the Ottomans and they stripped them of their culture, language, religion, everything. Not a good example at all.

I am sure you are not that stupid to ignore that Turkey was European colony and what Ottomans bought was completely foreign to its local population. Therefore Turkey was not stripped or conquered under Ata Turk but rather reverted to its origin European style culture..Therefore Mutafa Kemal actually liberated Turkey from Arab influenced imperialism!

Libraries of books have been filled during last 1400 years to interpret Islam and still we stand at zero today. If something doesn't work, its time to throw it away. Lets not fall into the trap of good and bad interpretation. An essay written by 2nd grade student requires no interpretation. Gods word intended for whole man kind should be far more clear for everyone else well..unless if it is not god's word at all.

Religion is important for spirituality when used in the right way so must be taught in a certain way at school. It is the gateway to freedom of thought and expression, the Renaissance is a testament to this.

Spirituality itself is an absurd phase of mind no different than drug addiction. What did human invented or benefitted out of spirituality..rather this so called spirituality has ruined millions of lives.

Stop being a disco molvi, its absurd.

 

[EagleEyes]

@somebozo stop attacking religion and members.