Comfort woman: Past and present

[ChineseTiger1986]

With Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the world lost the moral right to expect an apology from Imperial Japan.

They lost no more than 300k, while we lost 30 million.

So who deserves more of an apology?

Japanese culture is practically identical to Tang Imperial culture. Sino-Japanese civilization(s) are practically one in the same.

You copied from the Tang Dynasty.

However, over 99% of Chinese will never accept to have the Japanese culture to replace the Chinese culture in China.

 

[shrimant]

Yeah, it is useless to blame someone who doesn't want to make a proper apology.

what happened in war was very bad but that was different time. it is history now. and AFAIK Japan have apologized for it.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

what happened in war was very bad but that was different time. it is history now. and AFAIK Japan have apologized for it.

Nope, Japan hasn't made a proper apology yet.

Ask South Korea, who is also a US ally, why still so much bad blood with Japan?

 

[doppelganger]

They lost no more than 300k, while we lost 30 million.

So who deserves more of an apology?

The moral high ground was negated. Numbers mean nothing in war, except in victory or defeat, or in terms of how long before one side has had enough and folds.

The Japanese did not know the second nuke was the last one the Americans had.

And they had been asking for surrender a long time before the first.

I am trying to be balanced here. I do not disrespect the losses of China. I know of the stories of Japanese soldiers also resorting to cannibalism on Indian POWs. It was the world's first glimpse of total war. No side was a saint. History was written by those who won. Simple.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The moral high ground was negated. Numbers mean nothing in war, except in victory or defeat, or in terms of how long before one side has had enough.

Then Japan should ask the US for an apology, and stop jumping up and down during the US pivot in Asia.

 

[Aepsilons]

You copied from the Tang Dynasty.

However, over 99% of Chinese will never accept to have the Japanese culture to replace the Chinese culture in China.

lol.

Modern day Japanese are descendents of Chinese immigrants from Zhejiang region of China (anthropologically the progenitor of the Yayoi Jidai epoch). So, one can argue that modern day Japanese are descendents of ancient Chinese, thus, historically and culturally have claim to Chinese history and culture.

To argue about Japanese as 'invader' or 'foreigner' is absurd. Our ancestors are the same as your ancestors. How can we be considered 'invader' when we are kin. Japanese and Chinese , literally, are brothers.

 

[doppelganger]

Then Japan should ask the US for an apology, and stop jumping up and down during the US pivot in Asia.

There is still no love lost between the Japanese and American people. I can tell you that.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

lol.

Modern day Japanese are descendents of Chinese immigrants from Zhejiang region of China (anthropologically the progenitor of the Yayoi Jidai epoch). So, one can argue that modern day Japanese are descendents of ancient Chinese, thus, historically and culturally have claim to Chinese history and culture.

To argue about Japanese as 'invader' or 'foreigner' is absurd. Our ancestors are the same as your ancestors. How can we be considered 'invader' when we are kin. Japanese and Chinese , literally, are brothers.

Most Japanese are the descendants of the natives in Japan.

You may have absorbed some Chinese emigrants into your gene pool. However, the local Yayoi and Jomon still made up the majority of your population.

China is not your land, it belongs to the Chinese only, unless you wanna join to become the 57th ethnicities in China.

 

[Huaren]

At least the Mongol and Manchus didn't plan to replace the Chinese culture with their own culture.

While Japan had pretty forbidden the new generation Chinese kids to speak Chinese on their own soil.

You wanna assimilate us, the civilization originator of the Sinosphere, which was absolutely absurd.

Nevertheless its the mongols who made east asia lag behind europe in huge steps, as did manchus, what they (and all those dreaming couqerers after them) failed to see is that its their conquest which are weakening the whole of east asia, there is already a existing dominate culture/race group in the region in both number and influence, any minority group who want to take control must inevitably reshape the whole landscape which would go far beyond (in term of bloodshed and conflicts even in the heart and mind of natives) any internal unification within chinese civilization, even worse is the fact that even after their successful conquest they will have to deal with lack of legitimacy in the eyes of native people for generations (up until their inevitable downfall), so real unity and progress across east asian continent will be most difficult at best. In the end all those "conquers" manage to do is to provide huge advatages too all "competitors" of east asia.

 

[kawaraj]

At least the Mongol and Manchus didn't plan to replace the Chinese culture with their own culture.

While Japan had pretty forbidden the new generation Chinese kids to speak Chinese on their own soil.

You wanna assimilate us, the civilization originator of the Sinosphere, which was absolutely absurd.

Japan and China share the some culture. The Mongols and Manchus were outside of the sphere. Does it make sense if your comment bear some weight?

The later assimilation process, of you can call it naturaliztion was a form of speed the process, a few war criminals coming out of Korea tried to adopt the practice in Manchu. The Japanese are the reform of Chinesen language after all, don't you agree? Yet we still consider that as war crimes and that's the historic fact. Acturally I don't know much of Manchria history back then.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

There is still no love lost between the Japanese and American people. I can tell you that.

Yes or no. Even East Asian who do not read much are not able to pierce through the convoluted nature.

Japan knows that she is prevented from militarizing by USA, meanwhile USA keep asking other ally like Germany to increase their defence spending.

Germany is able to send expeditionary force.

Under Pax Americana, USA will never allow Japan to be really strong. Japan is like another Greece. USA screwed Greece numerous time, including selling Northern Cyprus to Turkey.

I think it would be nice that USA get duped and allow Japan to militarize to contain China. The outcome will be interesting.

 

[Zibago]

Japan and China share the some culture. The Mongols and Manchus were outside of the sphere. Does it make sense if your comment bear some weight?

The later assimilation process, of you can call it naturaliztion was a form of speed the process, a few war criminals coming out of Korea tried to adopt the practice in Manchu. The Japanese are the reform of Chinesen language after all, don't you agree? Yet we still consider that as war crimes and that's the historic fact. Acturally I don't know much of Manchria history back then.

No their cultures are different

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Nevertheless its the mongols who made east asia lag behind europe in huge steps, as did manchus, what they (and all those dreaming couqerers after them) failed to see is that its their conquest which are weakening the whole of east asia, there is already a dominate culture/race group in the region in both number and influence, any minority group who want to take control must inevitably reshape the whole landscape which would go far beyond (in term of bloodshed and conflicts even in the heart and mind of natives) any internal unification within chinese civilization, even worse is the fact that even after their successful conquest they will have to deal with lack of legitimacy in the eyes of native people for generations (up until their inevitable downfall), so real unity and progress across east asian continent will be most difficult at best.

Don't need to kink about the past.

Without Marxism, I seriously can become industrialized, since we were born like the colonial westerners. And we need the Marxism in order to gather our strength in order to become truly productive.

The Marxism was originated in the West. However, it is generally despised and hated by the West. So I don't think we owe the West anything by taking something that they really hate and have already been thrown into the trash can.

 

[Nan Yang]

Japanese culture is practically identical to Tang Imperial culture. Sino-Japanese civilization(s) are practically one in the same.

No. Tang dynasty has a women Emperor and a women Prime Minister. Japanese culture can never accept that.

 

[Aepsilons]

Most Japanese are the descendants of the natives in Japan.

You may have absorbed some Chinese emigrants into your gene pool. However, the local Yayoi and Jomon still made up the majority of your population.

China is not your land, it belongs to the Chinese only, unless you wanna join to become the 57th ethnicities in China.

Have you heard or read into the Yayoi migration theory? Early Yayoi are genetically traced to origins in the greater Yangtze region. Further, succeeding waves of Zhejiangese migration into Japan helped form a distinct identity. Centuries later, the Yamato culture and identity solidified itself, nevertheless, was built on Chinese stock.

We have as much right to claim Chinese history and Chinese culture since our ancestors hailed from present day Eastern China.


Please do some reading:

Yayoi linked to Yangtze area

日本人はるかな旅展