Chinese Communism - All Chinese members invited

[sutton999]

Basically, it is a mixed economy with strong flavor of socialism.

Write down every single economy sector, think about whether to run it as state-owned or private-owned will be more beneficial for the nation as whole.

About 40% of GDP is from either state-owned or collective-owned enterprise, about 60% of GDP is from private sector.

Heavy industry, military Industry, utility, transportation and most of hospital and education system is state-owned. Tabacco is state exclusive, top alcohol brand is state-owned etc.

private sector: light industry, consumer goods, small business, high-tech (innovation and venture capital)

Village: every household get a piece of farmland (can be leased can't sell), and a share of village collective-owned estate and enterprise

 

[jamahir]

China had proto-socialism as well with Mohism, the state owned salt enterprise and state owned grain enterprise, as noted before. Meanwhile India had a literal genetic caste system, a precursor to eugenics and fascism.

I agree that India for the last 3000 years of almost continuous Hindutvad rule has had the genetics-based caste system - well, caste system in general - though disturbed by the Buddhist rule of Ashoka 2200+ years ago, then by the progressive Muslim rule of Akbar more than 400 years ago and then in a limited fashion by the progressive Muslim rule of Tipu Sultan ( an admirer of the French Revolution and collaborator with Napoleon Bonaparet ) in the Deccan more than 200 years ago, you saying that ancient China having state-owned salt enterprise is proto-Socialism is incorrect because the proceeds from the commerce of the salt would not have contributed to making China a welfare-based society. Though from reading the Wikipedia page for Mohism I agree with some of the thoughts there.

Jamahir is a diehard communist. The type your Mao will be proud of. Moreover, if you know him well you will realise that he is very anti U S/U.K/West and anti capitalist/anti India ruling parties . So to be honest you cant label him as a western lapdog or whatever funny names you might come up with.

Thank you.

Moreover, he is right on one thing China has long abandon communism and everything Mao stood for and adopted a very capitalistic system.

Indeed.

Since China realised that communism/Maoism failed the country. CCP today is just the name and the soviet commie flag left symbol. Nothing about them is communist and they themselves dont believe in their own commie ideology. They just maintain it because they inherited power through maos communist révolution, so they can only follow the current party name/set up to carry on with their legitimacy. Else how else can they justify a change in their honorary name/identity as a party ?

While I agree that current Chinese establishment maintains that label of Communism and the red flag I must ask you are you saying that Communism failed China or Communism failed in general because the latter would be an extremely incorrect statement ?

 

[mike2000 is back]

While I agree that current Chinese establishment maintains that label of Communism and the red flag I must ask you are you saying that Communism failed China or Communism failed in general because the latter would be an extremely incorrect statement ?

Well, I think Chinese members(even the ultra nationalists) will agree with me that they prefer their current system which was set up by Deng Xiaoping reforms away from communism and Maoism which they believed failed them. So i guess we should hear from them if they wiuld have loved their country to carry on with Maoism policies and rules or the current more capitalistic setup with some state control they now have.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

This thread is fucking polluted when random Indians and funny enough, Brits speaking broken English, are speaking for Chinese people on a thread asking Chinese people about their own political system.

This is like Israelis answering questions about Palestine in a thread asking Palestinians what their life is like.

 

[cssniper]

Decades ago all commerces were run by nation-owned companies.
Now only crucial ones are.

 

[jamahir]

Well, I think Chinese members(even the ultra nationalists) will agree with me that they prefer their current system which was set up by Deng Xiaoping reforms away from communism and Maoism which they believed failed them. So i guess we should hear from them if they wiuld have loved their country to carry on with Maoism policies and rules or the current more capitalistic setup with some state control they now have.

Of course the Chinese nationalists, being mindless as nationalists everywhere, will agree joyfully to their country resembling Dubai but only with nukes. However, in that maze of nation-wide skyscraper slums people get crushed, like that stock market investor-suicider I mentioned earlier or those 996 workers :

China’s ‘996’ Backlash Continues with 'Worker Lives Matter’ Campaign

Chinese employees are protesting “996” culture again with a campaign that compiles the working hours of the country’s biggest firms.

jingdaily.com

There was a vid posted on PDF some time ago and it was a documentary on 996 and showed the seriousness of the problem.

This thread is fucking polluted when random Indians and funny enough, Brits speaking broken English, are speaking for Chinese people on a thread asking Chinese people about their own political system.

This is like Israelis answering questions about Palestine in a thread asking Palestinians what their life is like.

The thread title is "Chinese Communism...". I am a Communist so I am involving myself here. If you, FairAndUnbiased ( you are neither being fair to me nor unbiased ), are not discussing if China has Communism at all then you are the one polluting the thread and you should proceed to change your member name. Maybe some stupid kung fu star.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Of course the Chinese nationalists, being mindless as nationalists everywhere, will agree joyfully to their country resembling Dubai but only with nukes. However, in that maze of nation-wide skyscraper slums people get crushed, like that stock market investor-suicider I mentioned earlier or those 996 workers :

China’s ‘996’ Backlash Continues with 'Worker Lives Matter’ Campaign

Chinese employees are protesting “996” culture again with a campaign that compiles the working hours of the country’s biggest firms.

jingdaily.com

There was a vid posted on PDF some time ago and it was a documentary on 996 and showed the seriousness of the problem.



The thread title is "Chinese Communism...". I am a Communist so I am involving myself here. If you, FairAndUnbiased ( you are neither being fair to me nor unbiased ), are not discussing if China has Communism at all then you are the one polluting the thread and you should proceed to change your member name. Maybe some stupid kung fu star.

I already showed that China had proto-socialism as early as the Han Dynasty, with Mohism being a proto-socialist ideology and the state owned salt and grain monopolies which indeed had the function of price stabilization, and not profit.

You are not a communist, you are just LARPing as one. you resemble a Trotskyist.

Left communism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Trotskyism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Stalin himself considered these to be counter-revolutionary deviations from orthodoxy.

 

[gambit]

Cultural Revolution discarded only the backward parts of Chinese culture like slavish obedience to authority, blind following of ritual, etc. It was actually a movement against classical authoritarianism (the belief that authorities should wield power by default).

And yet...These are exactly what the CPC is doing today.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

And yet...These are exactly what the CPC is doing today.

Nope it's the exact opposite, which is why China has far more startups than countries of similar culture and development (within 1/3 and 3x GDP per Capita) such as Vietnam and South Korea.

 

[gambit]

Nope it's the exact opposite, which is why China has far more startups than countries of similar culture and development (within 1/3 and 3x GDP per Capita) such as Vietnam and South Korea.

Slavish obedience to authority has nothing to do with tech start up.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Slavish obedience to authority has nothing to do with tech start up.

Yes it does, which is why Japan, infamous for slavish obedience to authority, doesn't have a startup culture.

 

[gambit]

Yes it does, which is why Japan, infamous for slavish obedience to authority, doesn't have a startup culture.

So the CPC did not do away with one cultural aspect, contrary to what you claimed.

 

[Rusty2]

My favorite part of this discussion is that it's started by a conservative Muslim living in the west, who hates the west for it's secularism, yet is simping to an athiest government who is actively extinguishing Islam from parts of nation.
The size of cognative dissonance displayed is enough to escape a black hole.

 

[TheSolution]

So the CPC did not do away with one cultural aspect, contrary to what you claimed.

Does China have expansionist ambitions?

My favorite part of this discussion is that it's started by a conservative Muslim living in the west, who hates the west for it's secularism, yet is simping to an athiest government who is actively extinguishing Islam from parts of nation.
The size of cognative dissonance displayed is enough to escape a black hole.

Don't be too harsh on him, he is a hardcore China simp

 

[MultaniGuy]

My favorite part of this discussion is that it's started by a conservative Muslim living in the west, who hates the west for it's secularism, yet is simping to an athiest government who is actively extinguishing Islam from parts of nation.
The size of cognative dissonance displayed is enough to escape a black hole.

For an idiot such as yourself, I guess I will have to explain it.

I don't have a problem with Socialism. I only have a problem with atheism.