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[FairAndUnbiased]

Wow, this is interesting.

I updated the post with an official government stance on Mohism. Mohism was endorsed by Mao himself as an aspect of socialism.

2013年10月，习近平总书记在欧美同学会成立100周年庆祝大会上发表讲话，要求各级党委和政府能够真正认识到“尚贤者，政之本也”，为培养我国改革开放和社会主义现代化建设急需的各类人才创造良好的环境。“尚贤者，政之本也”这句古语，出自《墨子·尚贤上》，意思是说：崇尚贤能、推崇贤才、任用贤才是治国理政的根本所在。

墨家思想的精华是中国优秀传统文化的代表。中国共产党人是优秀传统文化的忠实继承者、弘扬者和建设者，在尚未执政之前，毛泽东等领导人更是一再推崇墨子。

墨子是替下层人民说话的思想家，其兼爱、非攻、节用、节葬、尚贤、尚同、非命等主张，曾经风靡一时，在中国历史上影响深远。墨学兴盛时期足以与儒学相抗衡，由于汉代以后历代统治者的打压，墨学长期衰落，直到晚清西学东渐，国人才重新认识到墨学的价值，于是纷纷主张“墨学救国”。五四新文化运动前后，墨学复兴达到高潮。现代著名历史学家王桐龄在1922年形容道：“就目下形势而论，墨子学说之传播力，乃正如日出东方，光焰万丈，有普照全世界之观矣。”胡适直到1925年还如此描述：“现在大家喜欢谈《墨子》，墨学几乎成了一种时髦风尚。”这种思潮无疑会影响到早期的中国共产党人。事实上，马列主义传入中国后，很多中共早期领导人都将墨学与马列主义融通，并且躬身践行墨家精神。

 

[Brainsucker]

I updated the post with an official government stance on Mohism. Mohism was endorsed by Mao himself as an aspect of socialism.

So why don't PRC acknowledge themselves as a Neo Mohism Country rather than a communist country that based on Karl Marx teaching?

Well, with Neo Mohism Socialism, US Government can't branded China as the evil communist, and Taiwan isle people can see PRC government with a different perspective. Because Mozi is basically our ancestor.

 

[Beast]

So why don't PRC acknowledge themselves as a Neo Mohism Country rather than a communist country that based on Karl Marx teaching?

Well, with Neo Mohism Socialism, US Government can't branded China as the evil communist, and Taiwan isle people can see PRC government with a different perspective. Because Mozi is basically our ancestor.

Becos the Soviet is dead. China see the opportunity to be the leader in Karl Marx teaching. You see they embrace the Soviet flag so dearly.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

So why don't PRC acknowledge themselves as a Neo Mohism Country rather than a communist country that based on Karl Marx teaching?

Well, with Neo Mohism Socialism, US Government can't branded China as the evil communist, and Taiwan isle people can see PRC government with a different perspective. Because Mozi is basically our ancestor.

because changing yourself for the sake of an enemy is called weakness. It is something that typically takes winning a war to impose on the other side, and is met with great resentment. The other aspect is, the conflict with US and Taiwan is not ideological, it is purely power based.

In addition, socialism is the modernized form of Mohism, which is still a 2000 year old philosophy.

 

[epebble]

Becos the Soviet is dead. China see the opportunity to be the leader in Karl Marx teaching. You see they embrace the Soviet flag so dearly.

Apropos Karl Marx teaching:

1. It [religion] is the opium of the people. in A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

2. The decomposition of man into Jew and citizen, Protestant and citizen, religious man and citizen, is neither a deception directed against citizenhood, nor is it a circumvention of political emancipation, it is political emancipation itself, the political method of emancipating oneself from religion. Of course, in periods when the political state, as such, is born violently out of civil society, when political liberation is the form in which men strive to achieve their liberation, the state can and must go as far as the abolition of religion, the destruction of religion. in On the Jewish Question

3.The abolition of religion, as the illusory happiness of the people, is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo. in A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right.

Just 3 random examples. Marx has written a lot on this.

 

[etylo]

So why don't PRC acknowledge themselves as a Neo Mohism Country rather than a communist country that based on Karl Marx teaching?

Well, with Neo Mohism Socialism, US Government can't branded China as the evil communist, and Taiwan isle people can see PRC government with a different perspective. Because Mozi is basically our ancestor.

Then, the US will brand China of something of evil Chinese philosophy I am sure, the US is bent to destroy China.

 

[Brainsucker]

Then, the US will brand China of something of evil Chinese philosophy I am sure, the US is bent to destroy China.

Ha ha ha, you're true.

Becos the Soviet is dead. China see the opportunity to be the leader in Karl Marx teaching. You see they embrace the Soviet flag so dearly.

But Communism is dying nowaday. Beside China, NK and Vietnam, there is no another countries who claim as a communist country.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Apropos Karl Marx teaching:

1. It [religion] is the opium of the people. in A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

2. The decomposition of man into Jew and citizen, Protestant and citizen, religious man and citizen, is neither a deception directed against citizenhood, nor is it a circumvention of political emancipation, it is political emancipation itself, the political method of emancipating oneself from religion. Of course, in periods when the political state, as such, is born violently out of civil society, when political liberation is the form in which men strive to achieve their liberation, the state can and must go as far as the abolition of religion, the destruction of religion. in On the Jewish Question

3.The abolition of religion, as the illusory happiness of the people, is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo. in A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right.

Just 3 random examples. Marx has written a lot on this.

That's the part of Marxism I don't agree with.

If there is a Marxism or Communism that is not against religion, then I don't have a problem with that.

Redistribution of wealth, public ownership of all property, farms, and businesses. These are revolutionary ideas.

 

[epebble]

That's the part of Marxism I don't agree with.

If there is a Marxism or Communism that is not against religion, then I don't have a problem with that.

Redistribution of wealth, public ownership of all property, farms, and businesses. These are revolutionary ideas.

Marx (and Engels) rejected religion not because their lack of faith but to introduce a new 'religion' called Dialectical Materialism
that is the origin of Communism. Without accepting Dialectical Materialism, rest of the teachings of Communism sound hollow.

Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SIPRA]

That's the part of Marxism I don't agree with.

If there is a Marxism or Communism that is not against religion, then I don't have a problem with that.

Redistribution of wealth, public ownership of all property, farms, and businesses. These are revolutionary ideas.

You must consult @jamahir.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Ha ha ha, you're true.


But Communism is dying nowaday. Beside China, NK and Vietnam, there is no another countries who claim as a communist country.

Subtract North Korea, add Laos.

North Korea is not communist, since it removed all references to Marx, communism, etc in it's constitution. it is actually now following Imperial Japanese ideology. Songun (先军政策）is a Japanese militarist ideology.

The single most important fact for understanding North Korea

The Hermit Kingdom makes a lot more sense when you know its roots: Japanese fascism.

www.vox.com

In fact, the country is best understood as a holdover of 1930s-style Japanese fascism, left over from Japan's early colonization of the peninsula.

Q+A-Why did North Korea change its constitution?

North Korea has adopted a new constitution giving even more power to autocratic leader Kim Jong-il, removing references to communism and elevating his guiding principle of favouring the military. [ID:nSEO253213] The following are some questions and answers about the new...

www.reuters.com

North Korea has adopted a new constitution giving even more power to autocratic leader Kim Jong-il, removing references to communism and elevating his guiding principle of favouring the military.

 

[etylo]

What I'm curious now is why China still defend Communism, when that ideology is actually imported from Europe, and China actually has a similar doctrine like communism. The Mohism; that actually more fit to Chinese characteristic than Communism.

Plus, why Xi prefer to re-adopt Confucius when the teaching actually very different to Communism. Remember, that Confucius didn't believe in equality. Even older brother and the younger one had different strata based on seniority. So why not adopt the long lost teaching of Mohism instead? Who belief more on equality.

Of course, there are many things that the original Mohism doesn't relevant anymore to today China. But if Confucius could had revision and adaption and became "Neo Confucius", then Mohism can also get a new adaption to be relevant again in today world.

Becos Confucianism deals with the more generalized common aspects of human nature, such as the teachings of 仁，智，义，信，which strike chords in common people and people feel connected to them. The teachings of Mohism seem liitle more distant to common people when compared to Confucianism. Plus Confucianism has been dominate in Chinese society for two thousands years, people are familiar and widely accept its teachings, they are ingrained in Chinese physche. At one time in the Cultural Revolution, the communists tried to criticize or minimize Confucianism, but later on they found that they cant do without Confucianism in China.

 

[chinasun]

China has absorbed the advantages of socialism (planned economy) and avoided the disadvantages of market economy. The Bank of China is mainly a state-owned bank, trying to reduce investment when the economy is overheated, increase investment when the economy is declining, and reduce investment when the industry has a foam, such as real estate. This is contrary to private banks' excessive pursuit of profits. In 2008, Wall Street ignored risks and pursued profits crazily, which eventually led to the government's rescue. Of course, China also has shortcomings. Although China is a seven person decision-making system (member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau), it still tends to be autocratic and needs to introduce more democratic supervision and accountability mechanisms. The Chinese middle class also needs to guide China to find a reasonable position between dictatorship and Western democracy.

 

[jamahir]

You must consult @jamahir.

Thanks for tagging. I will compose a post shortly.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

So why don't PRC acknowledge themselves as a Neo Mohism Country rather than a communist country that based on Karl Marx teaching?

"Communism" used to be something “new and exotic” back then in 1920s, perfect to serve as a banner to rally around people. Almost every rebellion in the Chinese history that aimed to overthrow an old dynasty to establish a new one use such method “谶言”（similar meaning to "omens", "prophets", "mysterious signs"） to legitimize itself and gather around supporters, I see “communism” fundamentally being no different, "Communism Saves China" is the CCP's 谶言, that's why they are not serious about following the ideology yet still can't abandon it