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What you have been using is the language of a fanboy who will constantly deny the facts if they hit him in his face ... I am not surprised ... BR is full of people like you ... Western media just like Indians is desperate to prove something - China cant build a 5th Generation Aircraft ... So as usual I expect them to come with all fancy titled wild conspiracy theories from " How Martians gave China blueprints " to " How hackers stole it " ... Where is the proof ? Has any US official confirmed or denied it ? ... If it is that easy to hack into information regarding these sensitive military hardware , then its about time US and the West hire some security experts :rofl: ... If you feel your time is wasted , then instead of downplaying other's achievement when you cant make **** , you are free to quit ! :azn: I am not forcing you to reply , am I ?

Height of stupidity... and now its flowing of of the roof.
Did you read the new source I posted there boy ?.... let me post it again.
http://asw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10596
Even RT and other Asian news channels confirm this... and yet you have the mouth to say that they all are lying.
US and other Countries have brain power and resources to make what they want... they don't create hacking groups and spies to steal the data and make each and every military equipment out of it.



The others are using the same for 50 years so it may be serving some purpose right ? :azn: Seriously , I told you earlier and even asked to check the thread regarding the changes made in H-6 K but of course your only purpose here is to flame rather constructively debate ! Same way the old H-6 M was replaced by H-6 K ... I asked you how you assume that it is still the same 60 years old thing ... But instead of replying to that , you bring in new arguments ... Would have been better if you defended your former ones !

The others are using it since 50 years since they have it for 50 years genius.. they are not making that 50 year old thing today in 2012 anymore.

What are you , 5 ? :rofl: To think two things are the same just because they look same to you :azn: ...

Use some head... and lookup for the meaning of the word design from the dictionary... got one don't you ?

The same that Russian and Americans fighters are supposed to do when SAM approaches their formation :lol: ... Are you saying that even air superiority fighters are outdated and useless just because SAM's have evolved ? ... Let me enlighten you , bomber aircraft do not go into the enemy airspace straight , they wait for the air superiority fighters to clear it , and then go in for the kill ... You do not have to expose your ignorance everywhere , its better to research before posting !

Again wrong...
Strategic bombers are the 1st ones to target the enemy airspace either outside its airspace or withing... that's why they are strategic... there bombers don't have much of work left If your Air-superiority fighters can carry 8000kg of load... unless you want to use WW2 tactics and carpet bomb the entire country.
And yes any flying object is vulnerable to SAMs.... thats why SAMs are inducted by ground forces.


Shall i understand this name calling as desperation ? I didn't being this " being this old " design argument , you did ... I just proved how both of your AC's are the same ... 20 long years , really ? Who told you so ? Once again facts are against you ...
So what were you saying about just being a national pride but not a war machine ?

Rusting for 20 years or rusting for 8 years is still equivalent to Rusting.
Certainly isn't the war machine as admitted by Chinese more of a training material.

Still better than having no brain :azn: ... What is 2nd grade engine and 3rd electronics ? Another delusion that Russian are entitled to sell the best only to India ? About time you grow up ! The Russians are smart businessmen , they sell to both countries and its foolish to think they discriminate ... What makes you delude yourself that there's variation in quality between the two ? ... China wouldn't have bought it in the first place if the Moscow trying to sell some watered-down hardware ... Russia was so desperate to sell SU 35 to the PLAAF that they fabricated a whole piece of news lol ... But the PLAAN doesn't want to buy , they are satisfied with their domestic ones ...

There are saying... "Never argue with an idiot........" and you are proving this right here.
Compare the Electronics such as BARS, SAP-518, SAP-14 etc... with what Russia offered to China.
Same with the Engines.
If you cannot I can't help you there...

IOC-2 ? I am sure you aren't aware what even the first IOC for any aircraft is ... All around the world , after getting an IOC for a new aircraft , manufacturers move onto to get the Final Operating Clearance ... But your 3 decades old aircraft requires another Initial Operating Clearance , wasn't it too self explanatory ? Or somehow the whole word has been doing it wrong for decades ? Something is seriously wrong with the aircraft because if there wasn't , the first one would have done the trick ... You expected it to enter service in 2010 but the date has been moved onto 2014 ... Care to enlighten us , why ?

Tejas is a secondary requirement to the IAF they are not being as funded as other Aircraft manufacturing programs have been(Su30, Rafale, Upgrades of Mig29/M2K).
There's only one IOC... which has already taken place and there would be FOC in 1 year.
The rest of the world...
West co-operate with each other and share what they have hence less time.
Russians have a Huge Aircraft building background.
Chinese are forced to accept what they make... since the Russian would charge more and won't supply the best(thanks to RE done on most of its planes).


I asked you to prove your claim of " every single Chinese aircraft " either being reverse engineered / copied or licenses built " ... Instead I get this constant childish nonsense " I dont expect you to understand " ... Try to refute what I said ...

Right from Mig-17 upto J-11... use your pea sized brain and do justice to it.... earlier soviets helped them later they copied soviet without paying them.

Aren't newer generation/new classes of hardware of ships/aircraft coming out of China ? How will you explain it ? Really ? What roles if your 30 year old domestic Tejas is capable of handling everything Beijing can possibly throw as you - the thinking that your lot seems to obsessed with ? ... Repeating it like a parrot wont make your argument more credible .. Try harder next time ...

There is an explanation but it would overflow... their newer destroyers are based on what Russian supplied to them in Taiwan strait crisis... they use Russian anti-air systems on their ships... soviet based turbines to Run their ships.. cannons are Russian based.. and a lot more.....
 
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Height of stupidity... and now its flowing of of the roof.
Did you read the new source I posted there boy ?.... let me post it again.
http://asw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10596
Even RT and other Asian news channels confirm this... and yet you have the mouth to say that they all are lying.
US and other Countries have brain power and resources to make what they want... they don't create hacking groups and spies to steal the data and make each and every military equipment out of it.





The others are using it since 50 years since they have it for 50 years genius.. they are not making that 50 year old thing today in 2012 anymore.



Use some head... and lookup for the meaning of the word design from the dictionary... got one don't you ?



Again wrong...
Strategic bombers are the 1st ones to target the enemy airspace either outside its airspace or withing... that's why they are strategic... there bombers don't have much of work left If your Air-superiority fighters can carry 8000kg of load... unless you want to use WW2 tactics and carpet bomb the entire country.
And yes any flying object is vulnerable to SAMs.... thats why SAMs are inducted by ground forces.




Rusting for 20 years or rusting for 8 years is still equivalent to Rusting.
Certainly isn't the war machine as admitted by Chinese more of a training material.



There are saying... "Never argue with an idiot........" and you are proving this right here.
Compare the Electronics such as BARS, SAP-518, SAP-14 etc... with what Russia offered to China.
Same with the Engines.
If you cannot I can't help you there...



Tejas is a secondary requirement to the IAF they are not being as funded as other Aircraft manufacturing programs have been(Su30, Rafale, Upgrades of Mig29/M2K).
There's only one IOC... which has already taken place and there would be FOC in 1 year.
The rest of the world...
West co-operate with each other and share what they have hence less time.
Russians have a Huge Aircraft building background.
Chinese are forced to accept what they make... since the Russian would charge more and won't supply the best(thanks to RE done on most of its planes).




Right from Mig-17 upto J-11... use your pea sized brain and do justice to it.... earlier soviets helped them later they copied soviet without paying them.



There is an explanation but it would overflow... their newer destroyers are based on what Russian supplied to them in Taiwan strait crisis... they use Russian anti-air systems on their ships... soviet based turbines to Run their ships.. cannons are Russian based.. and a lot more.....

Wrong after the Sino-Soviet Split they weren't supplying them with Much after the Chinese had to start working on their own technology, the J-11 only frame is replicated the equipment is all domestic the BS model.

you must also be keeping up with news before 2006 ? because the newer models uses both Chinese and Russian a Mixture not entirely Russian but mixed with both.

and your whole argument on a tejas a plane that has had many problems from it's engine to delays it's in the same level as the Jf-17 there is noting superior about it.
 
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No, it has not answer the copy thing yet. You expect one rule to apply on other and exclude from yrself?



I switch the China to India. Ak-47 to Tu-16 and it all sounds familiar, right? :lol:

Get off yr high horse, Indian low tech copy cat... :lol:

nothing else to be expected from dumb slaves. Can only find one small thing, which is like toy in many countries and does not have to even be literate to understand the functioning. I'm sure such cases are their in every country. But it doesn't mean one become as shameless slave as chinicopychor.
 
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The comments are much off topic!!
HEHE, Every Thread that post the chinese weapon will be filled with the "copy" word!! It lack of creativeness!! Any chinese weapon whose appreance is similar with foreign weapon, whatever partly or completely will turn indian on!!
Whatever it, the we produce the weapon!!
I had read a very interesting comments from TianXue military forum, It is in chinese, It is a little difficult to translate it into English, If Someone can, Please do it, In fact, it is not worth doing these, It is encough that we know it!!
Here is it: 以下是引用庚午之秋 在第63楼的发言:
很好很给力,就是模仿F-22感觉不是很好,似乎好多武器都有山寨嫌疑。希望早日建成创新型军队,不再跟着人家屁股后面,早日超越美帝,让美帝来山寨我们那我们就真正先进了。
起落架,收入翼根,那是抄袭F35,SU27,收入侧面,那是抄袭F22,
收入底部那是抄袭F15,要是老子一咬牙一跺脚,装到机翼上去,
那你就是抄袭EF2000,F4,MIG15,还有伟大的J8,永不过时的J8
进气道,你要用皮托管,那你是抄袭F16,用二元可调是抄袭F15,
用加莱特是抄袭F22,用DSI是抄袭F35,你要是一怒之下不用进气道,
直接暴露空气中,那你是抄袭波音707, 你用鸭翼是抄袭阵风台风,
你用三翼面是抄袭SU35,你用正常布局那肯定是抄袭F15,16,22,
要是用四个翅膀不用传统布局了,那肯定是抄袭卢卡斯,
你要是敢造个飞碟出来,那你肯定是抄袭斯皮尔伯格
丝带是圆的,外星人表示不淡定;丝带是方的,砖头表示侵权;
丝带是三角形的,三角裤愤怒中;丝带是多边形的,
蜜蜂表示你抄袭他们的家;一狠心,弄出个不规则的形状,
抽象派画家纷纷表示你抄袭他们的作品,
何必要东说西说,是不是太.......
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_5017802_1.html
三锅除了说COPY,根本指不出什么东西来,跟他们讨论纯属一种娱乐,哈哈,我想他们也将这个当成一个娱乐,能力不行,过过嘴瘾,他们的思维真的与我们不一样,
For showing my salute to my friend, "Thank" you compatriots and friends!! hehe!!
 
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Wrong after the Sino-Soviet Split they weren't supplying them with Much after the Chinese had to start working on their own technology, the J-11 only frame is replicated the equipment is all domestic the BS model.

you must also be keeping up with news before 2006 ? because the newer models uses both Chinese and Russian a Mixture not entirely Russian but mixed with both.

and your whole argument on a tejas a plane that has had many problems from it's engine to delays it's in the same level as the Jf-17 there is noting superior about it.

News we know aren't reliable or much enough(from other countries). :P unless you are asking to go by the your masters propaganda. from your post you are implying that china has already surpassed developed countries of 2006? or still trying to copy the 50 year old things...
 
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News we know aren't reliable or much enough(from other countries). :P unless you are asking to go by the your masters propaganda. from your post you are implying that china has already surpassed developed countries of 2006? or still trying to copy the 50 year old things...

they have had much good development there is noting about propaganda about this, the USA uses a 50 year old B-52 bomber ? has surpassed many of the countries it's still behind Russia, USA, and EU, but way ahead of India the chinese have even managed to sell plenty of their Fighters india on the other hand null.
 
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@ DARKY

You claim China bought a 30 year old rusting crap Varyag in post 140. The Varyag was launched in Dec 1988, i guess Indians are proud of their maths.
It's clear you look down on China for buying an "old" aircraft carrier but what about your own country? India has purchased the Admiral Gorshkov carrier and renamed it to INS Vikramaditya which was launced in April 1982. The Gorshkov was decommissioned in 1996 because it was too expensive to operate on a post Cold War budget. In July 2008, it was reported that Russia was increasing the total price to US$3.4 billion, blaming unexpected cost overruns on the deteriorated condition of the ship. On December 17, 2009, it was reported that India and Russia ended the stalemate over Gorshkov price deal by agreeing on a price of USD 2.3-billion. In 1994 there was an explosion in the boiler room, docked for a year of repair and was offered for sale in 1996.
 
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Height of stupidity... and now its flowing of of the roof.
Did you read the new source I posted there boy ?.... let me post it again.
http://asw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10596
Even RT and other Asian news channels confirm this... and yet you have the mouth to say that they all are lying.
US and other Countries have brain power and resources to make what they want... they don't create hacking groups and spies to steal the data and make each and every military equipment out of it.

Did you bother to look it up ? What source they are quoting ? The same ! How credible does this news become ? ZERO ! :azn:
Now , are you expanding your " hacking information " theory to include all Chinese built hardware ? :rofl: Can you prove what else the blue prints were stolen for ? And even if were , what difference are they going to make ? Countries have used spies since the WWII to steal other's tech , think the Yanks and the Russians are clean ? :azn:

The others are using it since 50 years since they have it for 50 years genius.. they are not making that 50 year old thing today in 2012 anymore.
Did i deny that the others didn't have it for 50 years ? If they still have it , then it might be useful for them right ? Same is true for Beijing or do you have selective biased views ?
Better to get it done , instead of whining about other's achievements , huh ?


Use some head... and lookup for the meaning of the word design from the dictionary... got one don't you ?

Possibly , I understand it more better than you not to consider only " structural design " as the conclusive prove of two things being exactly the same ... :azn: Genius " design " means to make the plan which can be anything of an aircraft in this case ! That too I have to explain ...

Again wrong...
Strategic bombers are the 1st ones to target the enemy airspace either outside its airspace or withing... that's why they are strategic... there bombers don't have much of work left If your Air-superiority fighters can carry 8000kg of load... unless you want to use WW2 tactics and carpet bomb the entire country. And yes any flying object is vulnerable to SAMs.... thats why SAMs are inducted by ground forces.

Strategic bombers are the first to target what ? The fighter aircraft ? Do you have any idea what you are talking about ? :rofl: What was true for WWII scenario , remains true today too because the bomber was to be detected and brought down by fighters ... Enlighten me , what would be the use of fighters if you could go to the enemy territory and bomb the hell out of it ?
Just bring down all forward air bases and fighters on ground ... No opposition ! But this isn't the case of course , air superiority/fihter/multi role aircraft have to accompany bombers so they can conduct their mission whilst the escort takes care of enemy opposition in the air ... Beyond your level , is it ? ... I never said that it isn't , just that your absurd logic that development of SAM's has rendered bombers useless , so even the other aircraft would be useless since they are vulnerable too ?

Rusting for 20 years or rusting for 8 years is still equivalent to Rusting.
Certainly isn't the war machine as admitted by Chinese more of a training material.
You think some AC's left for 8 year is rusting old crap ? Are you telling me that PLAAN cant refit/remove-corrosion/modernize it ? As if it wasn't enough that you have some 50 years old INS Viraat ... Even your new Gorshkov was rusting for the same 8 years ! :rofl: ... Dont get me the ridiculous argument that it was complete and operational since even ex-Varyag was structurally complete at the time of sale ... Need a dose of reality , I will let Wiki help you ...

The ship was laid down in 1978 at Nikolayev South (Shipyard No.444) in Ukraine, launched in 1982, and commissioned in 1987. The delay in commissioning was largely caused by software bugs in the new command and control system. The ship was renamed Admiral Gorshkov after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, as the city of Baku was now in independent Azerbaijan. Sergey Gorshkov was responsible for the expansion of the Soviet Navy during the Cold War. In 1994, following a boiler room explosion, the ship was docked for a year of repairs. Although she returned to service in 1995, she was finally withdrawn in 1996 and offered for sale. On January 20, 2004, Russia agreed to sell the Admiral Gorshkov to India, though payment details are still being worked out. On December 17, 2009, it was reported that India and Russia ended the stalemate over Gorshkov price deal by agreeing on a price of USD 2.3-billion[4][5][6]

There are saying... "Never argue with an idiot........" and you are proving this right here.
Compare the Electronics such as BARS, SAP-518, SAP-14 etc... with what Russia offered to China.
Same with the Engines. If you cannot I can't help you there...

Possibly , if you are feeling the heat , you can move on to BR where the baseless claims ridiculing other countries are appreciated and celebrated and nobody tries to refute them :D If you cannot make your point in a debate , sorry nobody can help you ... As far as I know , Russia has sold the same engines and electronics to China too , they are clever businessmen , they even indirectly sold us RD-93 despite massive Indian protest ... Is it watered-down ? No ! ... If you couldn't stop that sale of negligible worth ( but most important for Pakistan ) than what China had previously bought , then how do you assume that Moscow wouldn't have supplied the same to Beijing previously too as they do to you ? Are you special ?
Tejas is a secondary requirement to the IAF they are not being as funded as other Aircraft manufacturing programs have been(Su30, Rafale, Upgrades of Mig29/M2K). There's only one IOC... which has already taken place and there would be FOC in 1 year. The rest of the world... Chinese are forced to accept what they make... since the Russian would charge more and won't supply the best(thanks to RE done on most of its planes).

Crap ! Tejas is a necessity/primary requirement for your AF since they need to get rid of the " flying coffins " Mig-21 which kill your pilots every week :lol: Aren't you already below the sanctioned strength of squadrons or you know better than your AF ? Just because HAL couldn't deliver it on time , they are forced to depend on upgrading the Mig29's and somehow continue to use done-with and worn-out airframed Mig-21 ! Rafale will take a very long time to delivered by France ! IAF needed Tejas to fill the gap ... Not happening , is it ?

So after being refuted , you are blatantly lying ? ... The news of IOC-2 was all over !

LCA Tejas Update: HAL in aggressive mode for IOC-2 | Defence
Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) is on a tight schedule and is racing ahead to reach the deadlines, eight LCA Tejas platforms are currently in the process of achieving the requirements of IOC-2. The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) achieved Initial Operational Clearance (IOC-1) in January this year, the IOC-1 was a watered down version of a full IOC because the LCA did not meet the complete requirements.

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Tejas on campaign mode to complete IOC-2 missions
TheIndian Air Force (IAF) too is warming up to raise the Tejas Squadron (Flying Daggers). Express had earlier reported that the IAF wanted HAL-Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) combine to complete the closure of development phase at the end of IOC-2.


UPA's major goof up: Tejas inducted - Economic Times
In a major goof-up , the 'Report to the People' released by PM Manmohan Singh on Tuesday evening to mark UPA II's third anniversary in office lists the "induction of Light Combat Aircraft Tejas into IAF'' as a "major milestone'' in the defence arena. Competitive politics apart, the simple fact is that Tejas is still at least two years away from becoming fully operational despite being almost three decades in the making after first being sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore. But it became clear later that Tejas had only achieved partial IOC. It would have to be followed by IOC-II to certify the fighter was fully airworthy. Moreover, it would require the final operational clearance (FOC), with integration of all weapons and other systems, before it could be deemed combat-worthy . HAL and DRDO have set a December 2012 deadline for the FOC. But, sources say, Tejas will be ready for induction only towards mid-2013 at the earliest.


Right from Mig-17 upto J-11... use your pea sized brain and do justice to it.... earlier soviets helped them later they copied soviet without paying them.
Prove it ... Earlier aircraft were reverse engineered/copied/license made but the same isn't true for newer ones ! How can i consider the J-8 , JH-7 , J 10 , JF 17 and J 20 "copied" ?
Every aircraft is somehow similar to another , doesn't mean they are the same !
There is an explanation but it would overflow... their newer destroyers are based on what Russian supplied to them in Taiwan strait crisis... they use Russian anti-air systems on their ships... soviet based turbines to Run their ships.. cannons are Russian based.. and a lot more.....

No , go ahead if you can explain it because you cant even do that ... They have been developing systems on their own based on past RE experience ... That is your fault if you consider everything as " copied " ... And what comes after " Reverse Engineering " ? Innovation and Creation ... Complete cycle , simple !
 
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they have had much good development there is noting about propaganda about this, the USA uses a 50 year old B-52 bomber ? has surpassed many of the countries it's still behind Russia, USA, and EU, but way ahead of India the chinese have even managed to sell plenty of their Fighters india on the other hand null.

your first line - what you are saying is exactly same as Nazi's brainwashed kids saying that all hail about Hitler..

second line - Who said that china isn't more developed(in terms of income or whatever) then India? We will be happy that if the basic necessities in India is fulfilled for everyone at good manageable subsidized cost and leave some extra money for people for fun/pleasure..This is what the model is, even if ruined and slowed by corrupt politician. Who cares if someone is getting more in terms of paper money in some other part of the world, understand happiness not related to money even if has some effect...

Btw the example given isn't stupid? first. Give examples where someone had the other choices on equal footing with other competitors.
 
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Indians are so good at laughing EVERY TIME at EVERY chinese creation.

They still confuse the word "copies" with what are indeed "evolutions". H-6k is clearly an evolution of the TU-16.

You don't even have a true strategic bomber and you dare offending our H-6?

Go and Buy some strategic bombers (since you cannot create them by yourself) before you have the rights to insulting the H-6. Otherwise, everything you say about H-6 is only envy.

So my dear indians please...learn to be less arrogant and learn to be more humble instead..
and accept the fact that China is far ahead than your country, there's no way you can catch up China.

Save you billions for your starving people, since the expensive weapons you are buying are not edible.
 
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your first line - what you are saying is exactly same as Nazi's brainwashed kids saying that all hail about Hitler..

second line - Who said that china isn't more developed(in terms of income or whatever) then India? We will be happy that if the basic necessities in India is fulfilled for everyone at good manageable subsidized cost and leave some extra money for people for fun/pleasure..This is what the model is, even if ruined and slowed by corrupt politician. Who cares if someone is getting more in terms of paper money in some other part of the world, understand happiness not related to money even if has some effect...

Btw the example given isn't stupid? first. Give examples where someone had the other choices on equal footing with other competitors.

A hitler joke you offered noting it shows you first point on how you failed in this talk.

second china is more developed then in in almost every, you blame your leaders but isn't it you who puts them in power since you are a democracy ? no one should problem is the money is under the standard the rest of the world has.

there is no competition you aren't equal to china this is why they look down on you.
 
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North Korea imports alot of weapons when its people are starving. What a brutal barbaric dictatorship.

I'm so glad India isn't doing the same thing.
 
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@Jaani

I don't see any reason for bringing Hitler into this discussion. Yes the mods have deleted your messages for being a racist. You know what your problem is? You Indians feel so proud of yourself and go criticizing others for stealing, copying or even renaming Russian products with Chinese names. I wonder why you people enjoy looking down on China. You can ask other people to scroll from the beginning and read all the threads and they will notice it's nothing but negative opinions.

Yes the bomber is based on an old Russian bomber, we never said it was a Chinese design. The instruments and perhaps even the engine are created by China. Others criticize for being useless and easy target because it's not stealthy. Whether it is useful or not is none of your business, our airforce knows how to deploy our strategic bombers so there's no need for you guys to teach our military guys how to use them.

Then there's another Indian who think we bought an old rusty Russian aircraft carrier but at the same time he doesn't realize India has bought an even older ship that was rusting and had an explosion inside the ship. India had to pay more to the Russians because the ship was in a deteriorating state. Instead of paying more China just acquired the empty ship and removed corrosion ourselves. Refitted the ship with our own technology.

You know India is world's no. 1 importer of weapons. A country that is not capable of making high tech stuffs and go buy their military products from different countries is okay with me. I don't see any problem in that, India can choose to buy whatever they want. But you people have no business in criticizing us that we aren't capable of making indigenous products. Many of you guys claim we can't innovate, so we copy and steal. Do you think the pentagon and the US army hire dumb IT staff that isn't capable of protecting their own network? Or that all top secret information related to the F22 or F35 can be accessed through their servers? I would be surprised that only China is capable of hacking into their network and steal those information while other hackers from around the world can't even do it.
 
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@Jaani

I don't see any reason for bringing Hitler into this discussion. Yes the mods have deleted your messages for being a racist. You know what your problem is? You Indians feel so proud of yourself and go criticizing others for stealing, copying or even renaming Russian products with Chinese names. I wonder why you people enjoy looking down on China. You can ask other people to scroll from the beginning and read all the threads and they will notice it's nothing but negative opinions.

Yes the bomber is based on an old Russian bomber, we never said it was a Chinese design. The instruments and perhaps even the engine are created by China. Others criticize for being useless and easy target because it's not stealthy. Whether it is useful or not is none of your business, our airforce knows how to deploy our strategic bombers so there's no need for you guys to teach our military guys how to use them.

Then there's another Indian who think we bought an old rusty Russian aircraft carrier but at the same time he doesn't realize India has bought an even older ship that was rusting and had an explosion inside the ship. India had to pay more to the Russians because the ship was in a deteriorating state. Instead of paying more China just acquired the empty ship and removed corrosion ourselves. Refitted the ship with our own technology.

You know India is world's no. 1 importer of weapons. A country that is not capable of making high tech stuffs and go buy their military products from different countries is okay with me. I don't see any problem in that, India can choose to buy whatever they want. But you people have no business in criticizing us that we aren't capable of making indigenous products. Many of you guys claim we can't innovate, so we copy and steal. Do you think the pentagon and the US army hire dumb IT staff that isn't capable of protecting their own network? Or that all top secret information related to the F22 or F35 can be accessed through their servers? I would be surprised that only China is capable of hacking into their network and steal those information while other hackers from around the world can't even do it.
he is a clueless newbie indian, he needs to stay on PDF longer to learn a bit called reality and their 'shining' delusion
 
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