DARKY
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What you have been using is the language of a fanboy who will constantly deny the facts if they hit him in his face ... I am not surprised ... BR is full of people like you ... Western media just like Indians is desperate to prove something - China cant build a 5th Generation Aircraft ... So as usual I expect them to come with all fancy titled wild conspiracy theories from " How Martians gave China blueprints " to " How hackers stole it " ... Where is the proof ? Has any US official confirmed or denied it ? ... If it is that easy to hack into information regarding these sensitive military hardware , then its about time US and the West hire some security experts ... If you feel your time is wasted , then instead of downplaying other's achievement when you cant make **** , you are free to quit ! I am not forcing you to reply , am I ?
Height of stupidity... and now its flowing of of the roof.
Did you read the new source I posted there boy ?.... let me post it again.
http://asw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10596
Even RT and other Asian news channels confirm this... and yet you have the mouth to say that they all are lying.
US and other Countries have brain power and resources to make what they want... they don't create hacking groups and spies to steal the data and make each and every military equipment out of it.
The others are using the same for 50 years so it may be serving some purpose right ? Seriously , I told you earlier and even asked to check the thread regarding the changes made in H-6 K but of course your only purpose here is to flame rather constructively debate ! Same way the old H-6 M was replaced by H-6 K ... I asked you how you assume that it is still the same 60 years old thing ... But instead of replying to that , you bring in new arguments ... Would have been better if you defended your former ones !
The others are using it since 50 years since they have it for 50 years genius.. they are not making that 50 year old thing today in 2012 anymore.
What are you , 5 ? To think two things are the same just because they look same to you ...
Use some head... and lookup for the meaning of the word design from the dictionary... got one don't you ?
The same that Russian and Americans fighters are supposed to do when SAM approaches their formation ... Are you saying that even air superiority fighters are outdated and useless just because SAM's have evolved ? ... Let me enlighten you , bomber aircraft do not go into the enemy airspace straight , they wait for the air superiority fighters to clear it , and then go in for the kill ... You do not have to expose your ignorance everywhere , its better to research before posting !
Again wrong...
Strategic bombers are the 1st ones to target the enemy airspace either outside its airspace or withing... that's why they are strategic... there bombers don't have much of work left If your Air-superiority fighters can carry 8000kg of load... unless you want to use WW2 tactics and carpet bomb the entire country.
And yes any flying object is vulnerable to SAMs.... thats why SAMs are inducted by ground forces.
Shall i understand this name calling as desperation ? I didn't being this " being this old " design argument , you did ... I just proved how both of your AC's are the same ... 20 long years , really ? Who told you so ? Once again facts are against you ...
So what were you saying about just being a national pride but not a war machine ?
Rusting for 20 years or rusting for 8 years is still equivalent to Rusting.
Certainly isn't the war machine as admitted by Chinese more of a training material.
Still better than having no brain ... What is 2nd grade engine and 3rd electronics ? Another delusion that Russian are entitled to sell the best only to India ? About time you grow up ! The Russians are smart businessmen , they sell to both countries and its foolish to think they discriminate ... What makes you delude yourself that there's variation in quality between the two ? ... China wouldn't have bought it in the first place if the Moscow trying to sell some watered-down hardware ... Russia was so desperate to sell SU 35 to the PLAAF that they fabricated a whole piece of news lol ... But the PLAAN doesn't want to buy , they are satisfied with their domestic ones ...
There are saying... "Never argue with an idiot........" and you are proving this right here.
Compare the Electronics such as BARS, SAP-518, SAP-14 etc... with what Russia offered to China.
Same with the Engines.
If you cannot I can't help you there...
IOC-2 ? I am sure you aren't aware what even the first IOC for any aircraft is ... All around the world , after getting an IOC for a new aircraft , manufacturers move onto to get the Final Operating Clearance ... But your 3 decades old aircraft requires another Initial Operating Clearance , wasn't it too self explanatory ? Or somehow the whole word has been doing it wrong for decades ? Something is seriously wrong with the aircraft because if there wasn't , the first one would have done the trick ... You expected it to enter service in 2010 but the date has been moved onto 2014 ... Care to enlighten us , why ?
Tejas is a secondary requirement to the IAF they are not being as funded as other Aircraft manufacturing programs have been(Su30, Rafale, Upgrades of Mig29/M2K).
There's only one IOC... which has already taken place and there would be FOC in 1 year.
The rest of the world...
West co-operate with each other and share what they have hence less time.
Russians have a Huge Aircraft building background.
Chinese are forced to accept what they make... since the Russian would charge more and won't supply the best(thanks to RE done on most of its planes).
I asked you to prove your claim of " every single Chinese aircraft " either being reverse engineered / copied or licenses built " ... Instead I get this constant childish nonsense " I dont expect you to understand " ... Try to refute what I said ...
Right from Mig-17 upto J-11... use your pea sized brain and do justice to it.... earlier soviets helped them later they copied soviet without paying them.
Aren't newer generation/new classes of hardware of ships/aircraft coming out of China ? How will you explain it ? Really ? What roles if your 30 year old domestic Tejas is capable of handling everything Beijing can possibly throw as you - the thinking that your lot seems to obsessed with ? ... Repeating it like a parrot wont make your argument more credible .. Try harder next time ...
There is an explanation but it would overflow... their newer destroyers are based on what Russian supplied to them in Taiwan strait crisis... they use Russian anti-air systems on their ships... soviet based turbines to Run their ships.. cannons are Russian based.. and a lot more.....