Chinese Hackers Stole Plans for America's New Joint Strike Fighter Plane, Says Investigations Subcommittee Chair |
That's the language of an uneducated 12 year old who refuses to look into anything other that what pleases him and makes him happy... you are trying to say here is that The whole world is wrong... If you even had a little knowledge about airplanes and their design features you would have looked into what J-20 inherited from the F-35 JSF program... why don't you just go away and sing praises of J-20 If its so indigenous rather coming here and wasting other's time reading and replying your stupidity.
What you have been using all along is the language of a fanboy who will constantly deny the facts even if they hit him in his face ... I am not surprised ... Does your whole world only consist of a few propaganda Western channels ? The frog of the pond , as they say lol ... Western media just like Indians is desperate to prove something - China cant build a 5th Generation Aircraft ... As usual I expect them to come with all fancy titled wild conspiracy theories from " How Martians gave China blueprints " to " How hackers stole the J 35 blueprints " ... Where is the proof ? Just some random self declared experts speculating cluelessly ! Has any US official confirmed or denied it ? ... If it is that easy to hack into information regarding these sensitive military hardware , then its about time US and the West hire some security experts
Because some day , China will hack into DoD server and launch a nuclear attack on US soil like the Terminators lol ... If you feel your time is wasted , then instead of downplaying other's achievement when your country cant make **** , you are free to quit !
I am not forcing you to reply , am I ?
You are trying to make something now what others made 60 years ago.
Out-dated and outclassed by Newer Gen. bombers like Tu-23M/B-1B/Tu-160/B-2 etc... but China cannot built them until they steal the data from somewhere and get their blue prints.
The others are using the same for 50 years so it may be serving some purpose right ?
Seriously , I told you earlier and even asked to check the thread regarding the changes made in H-6 K but of course your only purpose here is to post for the sake of debating rather than constructively debate ! Same way the old H-6 M was replaced by H-6 K ... I asked you how you assume that it is still the same 60 years old thing ? ... But instead of replying to that , you bring in new arguments ... Would have been better if you defended your former ones ! Soon , the Beijing will be creating one of those and you will still be in denial ... Just how you cant believe now that PLAAF has an operational strategic bomber now which is capable of carrying upto 6 cruise missiles !
What design Changes do you see here genius ?
What would your Airsuperiority fighter do when SAMs are approaching their formation... save their @ss or save the 60 year old bomber....
You can see an example of what happens to such ancient piece of war machine in modern times.
What are you , 5 ?
To think two things are the same just because they look same to you ? ... What sort of absurd argument was that ?
The same that Russian and Americans fighters are supposed to do when SAM approaches their formation
.. Are you saying that even air superiority fighters are outdated and useless just because SAM's have evolved ?
... Let me enlighten you , bomber aircraft do not go into the enemy airspace straight , they wait for the air superiority fighters to clear it , and then go in for the kill ... You do not have to expose your ignorance everywhere , its better to research before posting !
Do you understand English School boy ?... Rusting piece of material in open air waiting to be scrapped for 20 long years is what Varyag was.... It was bought by some Chong Lot Travel Agency(Hong Kong based) for 20million USD(yes the price at which you buy a single JF-17).. They bought it in the name of making some floating casino like China had been making of other Australian Carriers which were to be scrapped in Macau... Now If you paint it all new and sing praises on it it could become a National pride for China but not a war machine.... If you understand how is an AC operated and what threats are faced by it.... but sice you don't I won't. You hardly understand what a well maintained warship is in comparison to a rusting piece of Junk waiting to be scrapped.
Yeah , the same school boy who refuted you in all your arguments lol
I didn't bring this " being this old " design argument , you did ... I just proved how both of your AC's are the same ... 20 long years , really ? Who told you so ? Once again facts are against you ...
China's first aircraft carrier is built upon the unfinished former Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag. She was known as Riga[3] when her keel was laid down at Shipyard 444 (now Nikolayev South) in Nikolayev on December 6, 1985.[4] Design of the carrier was undertaken by the Nevskoye Planning and Design Bureau.[5] She was launched December 4, 1988, and was renamed Varyag (Varangian) in late 1990, after the famous Russian cruiser. Construction had ceased by 1992, with the ship structurally complete but without electronics. The carrier was purchased from Ukraine in 1998 by the PRC, reportedly for use as an amusement park, and moved to China. She has since been fitted out by People's Liberation Army Navy as an aircraft carrier for "scientific research, experiment and training."[6]
How many mathematics classes you bunked to consider 1992-1998 as 20 long years ? Too rusting for 8 years lol ... I told you earlier , ethics have nothing to do in this business ... No matter how did they get it , who bought it and for whom ... The thing which matters is China will have an operational AC soon with more to follow on whom construction has already begun ...
The Varyag was moved in early June 2005 to a dry dock at Dalian (38.9414°N 121.6447°E). Her hull was sandblasted and scaffolding erected around her. Her island was painted in a red marine primer that is used to treat corroded metal. Jane's Fighting Ships states that Varyag may have been named Shi Lang and assigned pennant number 83. Jane's notes that both the name and pennant number are unconfirmed. Shi Lang was a Ming-Qing Dynasty admiral who defeated Koxinga's descendants' navy and conquered Taiwan in 1681.[13] Jane's Navy International noted in October 2007 that "refurbishment work and fitting out is continuing and the vessel is expected to begin initial sea trials in 2008".[14] At the end of 2008, the Asahi Shimbun reported that the carrier was "nearing completion".[1] On April 27, 2009 Varyag was reported to have been moved into another dry dock, "apparently to install engines and other heavy equipment".[15] A new radar mast was installed on Varyag's superstructure by December 15, 2009.[16]
Sensors that have been observed are Active Electronically Scanned Array(AESA) and Sea Eagle radar. Weapons observed have been the Type 1030 CIWS, and the FL-3000N missile system. It has also been observed that the old anti-ship missile tubes have been plugged and will not be used, thus freeing up more internal space for hangar or storage use. Russia plans to do the same when it modernizes the Varyag's sister Kuznetsov.[19]The carrier is expected to be handed over to the PLAN in 2012.[26] The carrier completed its sixth sea trial on 17 May 2012 and returned to Dalian.
So what were you saying about just being a national pride but not a war machine ? The state of denial , you see ? Or blinded by propaganda , should i call it ?
As per your pea sized brain yes.
What Russian hardware are you talking about...their 2nd grade engine ?.... their 3rd grade electronics ?... they hardly supplied China with any thing more than their 2nd class equipment. What is IOC-2 ?... care to enlighten ignorants like us. Its a waste of time proving things to since its out of your capacity... rather than understanding a single word you are still moving in circles.
Still better than having no brain
... What is 2nd grade engine and 3rd grade electronics ? Another delusion that Russian are entitled to sell the best only to India ? About time you grow up ! The Russians are smart businessmen , they sell to both countries and its foolish to think they discriminate ... What makes you delude yourself that there's variation in quality between the two ? ... China wouldn't have bought it in the first place if the Moscow trying to sell some watered-down hardware ... Russia was so desperate to sell SU 35 to the PLAAF that they fabricated a whole piece of news which was later denied officially by China lol ... But the PLAAN doesn't want to buy , they are satisfied with their domestic ones ...
IOC-2 ? I am sure you aren't aware what even the first IOC for any aircraft is ... All around the world , after getting an IOC for a new aircraft , manufacturers move onto to get the Final Operating Clearance ... But your 3 decades old aircraft requires another Initial Operating Clearance , wasn't it too self explanatory ? Or somehow the whole word has been doing it wrong for decades ? Something is seriously wrong with the aircraft because if there wasn't , the first one would have done the trick ... You expected it to enter service in 2010 but the date has been moved onto 2014 ... Care to enlighten us , why ?
I asked you to prove your claim of " every single Chinese aircraft " either being reverse engineered / copied or licenses built " ... Instead I get this constant childish nonsense " I dont expect you to understand " ... Try to refute what I said ...
What is 2012 then.. and this new Tu-16 copy ?Again your ill-education exposes you here. Different machines for different roles.... Tejas and Rafale both have different roles and both are better in quality against any Chinese 3rd gen. aircraft(4th for rest of the world).
Aren't newer generation/new classes of hardware of ships/aircraft coming out of China ? J11 , J 15 and new corvettes , frigates and other ships ? How will you explain it ? Really ? What roles are you referring to if your 30 year old domestic Tejas is capable of handling everything Beijing can possibly throw as you - the thinking that your lot seems to obsessed with ? ... Repeating it like a parrot wont make your argument more credible .. Try harder next time ...
... Is it so easy to steal the blueprints and other information of sensitive and top secret American military hardware ?
