China's Malacca dilemma: How India controls Indian Ocean chokepoints

[striver44]

Innocent merchant ships being sunk = US allies such as South Korea and Japan being attacked by India, a non-US ally. Will US honor its treaty obligations? That is the worst case scenario for the US: it either does nothing and fails its treaty obligations to India, a much weaker country, or it honors its treaty obligations and prevents the Indian military from sinking merchant ships.

In a war economy, the oil that is available will be diverted towards warfare. War economies take place during total war. India blockading China will be a total war because there is no way for China to stop India from blockading the straits without destroying the Indian military. Since China has 5x higher GDP, a larger advantage than that the US enjoyed over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, India is likely to be defeated in a total war the same way the Axis were.

India is prepared to suffer the consequences, but it will be of little use in the long run, as India is totally isolated from oil imports without seaports and can't reach any Chinese population centers, while China has forces right next to Delhi.

it's more like China is Nazi Germany with countries surrounding it ganging up on em.

 

[SrNair]

Bruh I don't trust anyone or pinning hope on anything. It's just what India will likely do once hostilities broke out.

Also, China hate muslim just as much, just look at what they did in Xinjiang towards their muslim population and their Hui muslim in Ningxia.

If anything, Pakistan as a self declared Muslim country should not be allies woth commies who's very

that's the stupidest thing they could do because China has oil reserves and domestic production capable of sustaining a war for years while India doesn't. India will also be unable to distinguish merchant shipping and thus WILL end up sinking US allies shipping. They cannot distinguish since nobody uses their own flags for merchant vessels except the US due to the Jones Act.

India also will be unable to import oil itself when missiles are hitting their refineries, and their lack of oil hits far harder as India is less electrified and relies heavily on private diesel generators rather than power plants, further stressing their oil reserves.

The whole premise of "Indian navy blocks Chinese shipping" is predicated on China not shooting back. If China shoots back the entire plan falls apart.


Your naval tradition is sinking your own submarines and using unstealthy 1980's ships with no VLS.

Says who ?
You ?
Like I said you are welcome to try your luck .
And we can assure never again Chinese will try to itch India or any other neighbouring nation.

Innocent merchant ships being sunk = US allies such as South Korea and Japan being attacked by India, a non-US ally. Will US honor its treaty obligations? That is the worst case scenario for the US: it either does nothing and fails its treaty obligations to India, a much weaker country, or it honors its treaty obligations and prevents the Indian military from sinking merchant ships.

In a war economy, the oil that is available will be diverted towards warfare. War economies take place during total war. India blockading China will be a total war because there is no way for China to stop India from blockading the straits without destroying the Indian military. Since China has 5x higher GDP, a larger advantage than that the US enjoyed over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, India is likely to be defeated in a total war the same way the Axis were.

India is prepared to suffer the consequences, but it will be of little use in the long run, as India is totally isolated from oil imports without seaports and can't reach any Chinese population centers, while China has forces right next to Delhi.

Actually what do you knows about War?
Your last attempt was in 1962 when Republuc of India was still restructuring their force .
After that we alone faced 3 more major wars .
Countless asymmetrical warfare.

Its been how many months and we already captured some of the peaks that you claim for yourselves .And the area that you says thst Southern Tibet is still under us.
Why are you waiting?
Reason is simple CCP leaders knows the consequences.

 

[Indos]

nope Padri revlt is against the Pagaruyung Kingdom which at the time are shiites (like the majority of the Minagkabau people at the time).
You should read the book Tuanku Rao, Terror Mazhab Hambali di Tanah Batak,
after the fall of Pagaruyung the Padrist invaded Batak highlands

Nice, thanks for the info bro. Shiites is still Islam by the way. Can you give me a link if any about it ?

 

[SrNair]

A move like this will have untold unintended consequences , I doubt Modi will make a move like this, then again he did shot himself on the foot with demonetization !

Did you actually think that we will just initiate something without planning?
You dont know about our bureacrats.
They are there because they are perfect planners.
Starting from everything goes wrong they have plan for everything .

And Modi , you dont know the guy.
You dont know the treacherous Indian politics.Its not like your CCP concentration camp for criticizers and Tianmen .
That man fought to his opponent in politics in other level and earned the respect and trust of the people once despised him.

He is the bright example of commitment ,dedication and sheerwill.
Concludes that nothing is impossible.
For his every move there is a motive and planning.And he knows how to achieve the goal.

 

[striver44]

Shiites is still Islam by the way.

no

Can you give me a link if any about it ?

Tuanku Rao

“Tak ada fakta, yang ada hanyalah tafsir,” begitu kata Nietzsche berkenaan dengan masalah kebenaran dan pengetahuan. Katakata itu tampaknya berlaku juga untuk sejarah, sebab sejarah erat kaitannya dengan serpihan-serpihan kebenaran dan pengetahuan, yang supaya bermakna perlu ditata dan ditafsir...

books.google.co.id

you could buy it via Google book .

also some interesting chapter you might be interested.

 

[Indos]

no

Tuanku Rao

“Tak ada fakta, yang ada hanyalah tafsir,” begitu kata Nietzsche berkenaan dengan masalah kebenaran dan pengetahuan. Katakata itu tampaknya berlaku juga untuk sejarah, sebab sejarah erat kaitannya dengan serpihan-serpihan kebenaran dan pengetahuan, yang supaya bermakna perlu ditata dan ditafsir...

books.google.co.id

you could buy it via Google book .

also some interesting chapter you might be interested.
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OK thanks.

 

[fallstuff]

Did you actually think that we will just initiate something without planning?
You dont know about our bureacrats.
They are there because they are perfect planners.
Starting from everything goes wrong they have plan for everything .

And Modi , you dont know the guy.
You dont know the treacherous Indian politics.Its not like your CCP concentration camp for criticizers and Tianmen .
That man fought to his opponent in politics in other level and earned the respect and trust of the people once despised him.

He is the bright example of commitment ,dedication and sheerwill.
Concludes that nothing is impossible.
For his every move there is a motive and planning.And he knows how to achieve the goal.

You just can't expect the issue will stay local to Malacca as an attempt to blockade any nation's shipping route is de facto declaration of war.
A few missiles dropped in Chennai will cause an exodus of BPO business, it wouldn't matter whether the targets were hit or not. Then there is the insurgency in Indian NE, water flow from China, and possibly heavy damage to Indian Naval defense.

India has absolutely nothing to gain by engaging in this kind of belligerence. The combined West will just grab some pop corn to watch the fireworks !

 

[Place Of Space]

it's more like China is Nazi Germany with countries surrounding it ganging up on em.

After we genocide indon, you may claim Nazi China. By this time, we are more clean than you.

 

[striver44]

After we genocide indon, you may claim Nazi China. By this time, we are more clean than you.

Nahhh, we'll just sit and watch. This battle is between you and the QUAD. After you lose and we have Nanking 2.0 ,we'll be there to rub those salts to your wounds.

 

[Place Of Space]

Nahhh, we'll just sit and watch. This battle is between you and the QUAD. After you lose and we have Nanking 2.0 ,we'll be there to rub those salts to your wounds.

What's QUAD? It's a new thing, maybe exist for months. The countries attacking China initially for India benefits sounds irreal.
I would send you bombs rather than salts.

 

[Journeyman]

the chinese navy has zero chance against the Indian in the Indian ocean. India's 200-plus Su-30 each carries 2 Brahmos missiles can launch 400 anti-ship missiles from all direction and there is nothing the chinese type whatever can do. chinese surface ships are just movable platform that has a SAM system on it and SAM has zero chance against barrage of drones and missile shooting at them. at best the chinese can launch a few thousand firecracker rocket at Delhi and it won't put any hole on the street of delhi or the indian navy and airforce.

 

[striver44]

What's QUAD? It's a new thing, maybe exist for months. The countries attacking China initially for India benefits sounds irreal.
I would send you bombs rather than salts.

Nahh, you'll have tons of missile raining down on you if try being funny against the QUAD. They're 4 countries, you're just one.

As I said , we'll just sit and watch while benefit from trade with China until it's no longer profitable to do so because the QUAD is busy carving your lands into occupation zone.

 

[Place Of Space]

Nahh, you'll have tons of missile raining down on you if try being funny against the QUAD. They're 4 countries, you're just one.

As I said , we'll just sit and watch while benefit from trade with China until it's no longer profitable to do so because the QUAD is busy carving your lands into occupation zone.

I prefer to surrending to America and focus on you indon.

 

[striver44]

I prefer to surrending to America and focus on you indon.

Good thing that you're a nobody in the CCP decision making apparatus. Hehe

But yeah you should surrender to America, there's no shame to do just that.

 

[Place Of Space]

Good thing that you're a nobody in the CCP decision making apparatus. Hehe

But yeah you should surrender to America, there's no shame to do just that.

Good thing that China didn't make wrong decision from WWI, WWII, and Cold War.