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China openly admits to forced "re-education" of Uyghur women

What did the Japanese do to you? Why did they do that? Why did the Americans have to save you? Why did the British occupy your lands? Why did British flag fly in HK till 1997?
Weakness. China was weak and it suffered for it. Now it is strong and will never be weak again. China's strength is why you'll talk about Uighurs until you're blue in the face and you'll never be able to do anything about it. It's why your white masters will talk about their favourite hobby horses (human rights, democracy, fair trade, industrial policy, religious freedom) until they're blue in the face and never be able to do anything about it. You cannot do anything about China because it's too strong; deal with it.
 
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Weakness. China was weak and it suffered for it. Now it is strong and will never be weak again. China's strength is why you'll talk about Uighurs until you're blue in the face and you'll never be able to do anything about it. It's why your white masters will talk about their favourite hobby horses (human rights, democracy, fair trade, industrial policy, religious freedom) until they're blue in the face and never be able to do anything about it. You cannot do anything about China because it's too strong; deal with it.

Good answer, but not great. Power comes in cycles, as they say every dog has its day.

China was a mighty empire, then they were weak, now you are mighty again.

The Mongols were unknown nomads, then they were an empire, now they are unknown again.

Our ancestors also ruled the wealthiest empire in the world only a few hundred years ago, then they became weak and here we are today.

Musa Mansa of West Africa is considered to be the richest man in all known history, in a single trip to Makkah he distributed so much gold it altered the world economy for years. Today West Africa is amongst the poorest nations on earth.

Your new Empire, as splendid as it is, is nothing nobody else has done before. Arrogance and rudeness will be met appropriately whoever it comes from.

Some of your countrymen are utter hypocrites. They break thier own laws to visit our forum and then preach about the policies of your government like it is divine wisdom from Heaven itself. Surely if everything China does should not be challenged or questioned, then you should not be bypassing the states firewall to visit this site?

Or maybe some people are paid by the state and given access by the state to bypass it and spread the Gospel word of the CCP.
 
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Ummah response to this is very hostile. It is the Pakistani nationalists who place Pakistan before Islam. You can divide the reaction roughly along three pathways -

  • 1. Ummah/Islam ~ they will be extremely hostile of the pork eating athiests causing grief to fellow Muslim brothers and sisters.
  • 2. Pretend Ummah/Islam - they will be deny such crap even is happening and that Pak-China iron friendship continues.
  • 3. Pak Nationalists ~ they say fcuk everybody else. Pakistam first. Pakistan last. What China does is their business. China-Pak friendship is more important for Pakistan's strategic interests.




I'm FIRMLY and COMFORTABLY in the 3rd camp.
 
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Weakness. China was weak and it suffered for it. Now it is strong and will never be weak again. China's strength is why you'll talk about Uighurs until you're blue in the face and you'll never be able to do anything about it. It's why your white masters will talk about their favourite hobby horses (human rights, democracy, fair trade, industrial policy, religious freedom) until they're blue in the face and never be able to do anything about it. You cannot do anything about China because it's too strong; deal with it.
So what you are saying is...

It is not enough that China will be strong again, but that China MUST be strong again. That 'must' now overrides all moral principles internal and external to China as highlighted. For China, the end MUST justifies the means.
 
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So what you are saying is...

It is not enough that China will be strong again, but that China MUST be strong again. That 'must' now overrides all moral principles internal and external to China as highlighted. For China, the end MUST justifies the means.

Perhaps the US regrets not conquering China in 1945 when US had nukes. Too late now.
 
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So what you are saying is...

It is not enough that China will be strong again, but that China MUST be strong again. That 'must' now overrides all moral principles internal and external to China as highlighted. For China, the end MUST justifies the means.
You tell me. Have you not read American history with the whole colonization thing? Meanwhile, number of Uyghurs quadrupled since 1949.


Xinjiang has the fastest growing economy in China, with standard of living steadily rising. There had been zero violent incidents 2016, compared to weekly terrorist attacks before. Meanwhile in US:

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U jelly?
 
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The difference between china and india is . Whatever china is doing on uighur or minorities it is something they have already done on their han majority much more vigorously. But india will never do unto upper caste hindus what it does viciously to minorities/dalits etc. In other words china is forced equality whereas india is forced unequality.
 
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You tell me. Have you not read American history with the whole colonization thing? Meanwhile, number of Uyghurs quadrupled since 1949.
What China believe what is best for China is independent of US history. Shaming US does not take away from the now fact that China believes the end justifies the means.
 
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I don't understand why Chinese here so defensive about this. Religion, superstitions are a burden to the society. Every human taken out of this ideology is one added human resource that now can pursue something meaningful like science and technology. India should also take note.
 
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I don't understand why Chinese here so defensive about this. Religion, superstitions are a burden to the society. Every human taken out of this ideology is one added human resource that now can pursue something meaningful like science and technology. India should also take note.
Me neither. The PDF Chinese pretty much support the idea that the end justifies the means, they should be celebrating the forced erasure of religion in China because in the long term of this thousand yrs old civilization, no religion will ensure China existence for a few more thousand yrs. That, and the fact that people inside China will be intellectually better of anyway. It is a 'win-win' for China.
 
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What China believe what is best for China is independent of US history. Shaming US does not take away from the now fact that China believes the end justifies the means.
We're only shaming you because American vaginas get wet and sandy with China's internal affairs.
Me neither. The PDF Chinese pretty much support the idea that the end justifies the means, they should be celebrating the forced erasure of religion in China because in the long term of this thousand yrs old civilization, no religion will ensure China existence for a few more thousand yrs. That, and the fact that people inside China will be intellectually better of anyway. It is a 'win-win' for China.
I am celebrating, like these American patriots down below:
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If you feel I said that against muslims...that's wrong. It should be applicable for anyone who is anti-national irrespective of the religion

Then next question. Who is the anti-national ? Is it the micro-finance company and the mahajan who force the farmer to commit suicide ? Is it the hospital which allowed the actor Ashiesh Roy to die of kidney ailment because he couldn't pay the treatment fees they demanded ? Is it the coaching center in Kota and the college which force students to commit suicide ? Is it the Maneka Gandhi adoring woman in my neighborhood who used to daily prepare special rice for the stray dogs and deliver it to them on her scooter while millions of humans in the country go hungry ? Is it Mukesh Ambani who built an obscene 27-storey for a family of four while millions are homeless or live in slums ? Is it Yogi Adityanath and Sadhvi Pragya who quote fondly from the Manusmriti and want to make it the Constitution ? Is it the Tablighi Jamaatis in IBM-India who instead of agitating for an employee union for the benefit of all employees instead agitate selfishly for prayer place and time within the office ? Is it some self-styled moral police who prevent inter-faith marriages from happening ? Is it the film maker Ashoke Pandit who makes films against the Naxalites without thinking of the unjust feudalism in Naxalbari which led to the Naxal uprising ? Is it various aalims and babas who spread superstition and child sacrifice in the society in 2021 instead of the country having a settlement on Mars given its big industrial base and supposedly talented engineers ? Is it the "defense" minister who has made the Indian military to become the second-largest importer of armaments in the world while millions of civilians lead a miserable life because of lack of money ? Is it some idiot at the top who spends resources on needless purchases and projects while millions of citizens lack money and so lead a miserable life ? is it the maintainers of the entire political, social and economic system of India which allows these wrong things ? So who is the anti-national ?

China's state atheist government dictates the length of beard, ban on veils and style of mosques and there's nothing anyone can say.

There is nothing Islamic about the veil / niqab / burqa. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition. An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :
An Egyptian lawmaker has said members of parliament are drafting a law that would ban women from wearing the burqa in government institutions after alleging the Islamic full-face veil was a "Jewish tradition".

Amna Nosseir said on Sunday that the proposed ban would be in the best interest of Egyptian society and that she has been battling against the burqa over the past 40 years.
Nosseir, who wears the hijab, said on Wednesday that the burqa - known in Arabic as the niqab - had its origins in Jewish religious law.

"In the Old Testament, you find in chapter 38 that the Jewish religious authorities tell you that if Jewish women leave the house without covering the face and head then they are breaking Jewish religious law," the lawmaker said during an interview with local media.
"I have gathered around 20 texts by Jewish religious authorities that completely forbid women from showing their faces and heads," Nosseir said while discussing also banning female university students from wearing "ripped jeans" in lectures.

She added that this part of Jewish law became entrenched in pre-Islamic Arab tribes of the Arabian Peninsula and then spread throughout the Middle East with the Muslim conquests.
The verse the lawmaker could be referring to is Genesis 38, where a biblical figure encounters his daughter-in-law in the street and mistakes her for a prostitute because she had covered her face with a veil.
It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa. It is also to be observed that it was Western-supported Muslim leaders who encouraged burqa. Example, in Afghanistan in the 80s the socialist government enabled women at least in the cities to go without the burqa but the Western governments birthed the Al Qaeda and later the Taliban who brought the burqa back.

Watch this vid about Nasser recalling his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Note the reaction of the audience.

This article describes the West-boot-licking anti-women attitude of the Muslim Brotherhood gang :
“The parties were dissolved, and we clashed with the Muslim Brotherhood party, during the four years, in 1953 and in 1954 … We were embroiled in dispute, they declared war against us, and they shot at me on October, 26, 1954 in Alexandria … Terrorist members in the Muslim Brotherhood party were arrested, and they were judged,” Nasser said during the statement.

“In 1954, we were negotiating with the British [forces occupying Egypt at the time] for the evacuation [deal]. At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood members were holding secret meetings with the members of the British Embassy. They were telling them: we will be able to seize power,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the Muslim Brotherhood party has never held the patriotic feelings which Egyptians have held, adding: “The Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood at the time when we were fighting in the Canal was asked: what is your stance on the war in the canal. He said: We are a wide (international) call. Perhaps the war in the canal comes for your benefit here in Egypt, while we think it is beneficial to fight in another country.”

“This is the call of the Muslim Brotherhood. All of [their] speech is full of deception and [exploitation of] religion,” Nasser stated.

Similar to what happened following 2011 revolution when people decided to reconcile with the Muslim Brotherhood, perhaps because the youth who led the January revolution were not familiar with the MB policies, Abdel Nasser said he reconciled with the MB members, explaining that the reconciliation however, failed to turn them into good citizens.

“In 1953, we actually and honestly wanted to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood supposing that [this will make its members] take the right path. I met with the General guide of the Muslim Brotherhood. He issued [some] demands,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the MB guide asked him to force Egyptian women to wear Islamic veil and to shut cinemas and theaters.

Nasser said: “He told me that you as a ruler is responsible [for veiling women]. I told him, you have a daughter in the Faculty of Medicine who is unveiled. Why didn’t you force her to wear a veil? If you are not able to make your daughter wear a veil, [how] would you want me to [force] 10 million women to wear veils in the country?”

“Then, [he told me] that women must not [go to] work. I think that when a woman works, we are protecting her [this way]. Why do [some women] go astray? They do so because of the need and poverty. We all know such stories of women whose sons or mothers are sick and they did not find money, so they were forced to sell their bodies. Therefore, work is a protection for women, while preventing women from work [works] against her. We actually liberate women by [allowing] them to work and cooperate with the man,” Nasser added.

“Last year, in 1964, before the constitution, I released them all from the prison, and we issued a law to return every one of them to his work with the same salary and promotion prospects. In 1965, we seized the new conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood; secret system, and assassination and destruction plans,” the late President said.

Nasser said that Muslim Brotherhood group says that all the [Egyptian] people are disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslims. According to Nasser, The MB members say they refuse people representation, and the Parliament. He added that the MB group considers the kings and presidents of the Arab and other countries as disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslim people.

“They were arrested, and we also arrested all old MB organizations … It is not about the assassination of Gamal Abdel Nasser. If Abdel Nasser was assassinated, a thousand people similar to Gamal Abdel Nasser would emerge, but we can never accept that [our] people be assassinated,” Nasser stated.

“We started to view [their cases]; all people who participated in these secret organizations will be referred to judgment. All dangerous people who we released in 1964 and had basically represented heads or dangerous members in the secret organizations will be [imprisoned]. After that, the rest of [the MB group members] will be released. We will give them another chance. If somebody of them [commits similar illegal actions] we will arrest him and we will never get him out of prison.”

“It is enough. We cannot take a gamble on the rewards we achieved during the 13 past years,” Nasser stated, adding that the MB group uses Islam to deceive people and grab them to join the party.

Concerning the MB, “they are neither Muslims, nor brothers. They are malevolent … Their leaders outside [the country] cooperated with Baghdad Pact, colonial countries, all our enemies, and Arab reactionary, and proved with clear evidence that the MB party or movement is only a movement that works for the benefit of colonialism and reactionary, by which it is funded.
MB author and thinker Sayed Kotb was executed in 1966 after being convicted of planning to assassinate Nasser who ruled Egypt for about 14 years until his death in 1970.
So now you know, it is for the benefit of Muslims if they forego the burqa. All progressive Muslim leaders and movements spoke against the burqa.

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I will reply to your last night's post later.
 
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I hope they mean demographic transition? shouldn't they clarify that?
 
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