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Our record with 'Untouchables' is that we have made then truly 'Untouchables'

Today so called 'Untouchables' Dalit enjoy facilities according their population

1. 16.66 per cent Reservations parliament and school and colleges

2. 16.66 per cent Reservation on jobs, even in service long promotions

3. special budgetary allocation in every govt scheme.

4. Any caste discriminations even verbal in a non-bailable crime under SC/ST atrocities act.

All those fancy numbers but reality is that Dalit leaders Jignesh Mevani and Chandrashekhar Azad and the ghost of Rohith Vemula don't agree with you. Also don't agree with you are the mother and brother of Rohith who converted to Buddhism to get themselves away from the injustice of being Dalit that is propagated by the Manusmriti.

You should also tell that to President Ramnath Kovind who is a Dalit and when he and his wife went to the Jagannath temple in Odisha they were harassed by the Brahmin priests there.

Tell that to Dalits who when they touch biscuit packs in the small shop in their village they have to buy the biscuit pack because the Upper Caste shopkeeper will not retain the pack that was "polluted" by the Dalit touching it.

Tell that to the army soldier in Gujarat who because he was Dalit, when his baraat procession went through his village was forced to dismount by the Upper Caste village "elders".

Tell that to an Indian Idol contestant I think last year who was refused singing training by more than one teacher in his village because he was a Dalit.

Tell that to the Dalit very poors who are burdened with entering flooded manholes.

Tell that to the Dalit computer engineers in America and Britain who are discriminated against by their Upper Caste fellow workers.

But I don't feel bad as long as they are the sword arm of Hindus in every Hindu- Muslim riot. And so far Dalits have never disappointed in that regard.

So you discriminate against them yet you want them to fight on your behalf ? Hypocrisy.

Yes, there is the BJP's Dalit Morcha but this group is a traitor to the Dalit emancipation cause.

The UP government has alongside the "Love Jihad" law also brought out a side law to prevent "Mass conversion". This so that Dalits can be jailed for converting en masse to Buddhism. So the Hindutvadis don't really have the welfare of Dalits in mind.
 
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World map of arable land, percentage by country (2006)
Land use statistics by country - Wikipedia

Spot the difference between Russia, China and India.

So if India has more arable land than Russia it gives India the automatic right to produce more children ? I don't understand the logic.

And maybe this is related. In the 60s and the 70s, and even later, India though with more arable land, was getting food aid from USA and USSR.

If consumerism is the cause of pollution then richer countries should have been more polluted but this is not the case, why?

1. Technically, India is also a rich country. Sixth biggest economy in the world as of 2020.

2. Even so, I don't think the "richer" countries are as obscenely consumerist as in India. Mukesh Ambani has 168 cars, mostly luxury types, which take up one storey of his 27-storey "house". Is there a Swedish or Swiss equivalent to this ? And you too know how many advertisements are there on Indian TV and newspapers for cars, scooters, motorcycles, vertical housing projects and cell phones.

3. Certain Western "richer" countries were pioneers years ago in creating zones of non-pollution by banning vehicle traffic in certain streets in their cities. I don't think there are many or any Indian equivalent.
 
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1. Technically, India is also a rich country. Sixth biggest economy in the world as of 2020.
Well, a slum is richer than a well paid doctor as taken together it will earn much more than a single doctor which leads us to a very obvious idea : the size of the group matters which is why per-capita exists.
2. Even so, I don't think the "richer" countries are not as obscenely consumerist as in India. Mukesh Ambani has 168 cars, mostly luxury types, which take up one storey of his 27-storey "house". Is there a Swedish or Swiss equivalent to this ? And you too know how many advertisements are there on Indian TV and newspapers for cars, scooters, motorcycles, vertical housing projects and cell phones.
Well, considering most of the billionaires are non-Indians on this planet, surely they spend their wealth one way or another. Also, since an average Luxembourger earns nearly 40 times more than an Indian he/she surely buys items 40 times of more worth and hence consuming items of 40 times more worth. So, poor people people are actually less consumerist by design..
3. Certain Western "richer" countries were pioneers years ago in creating zones of non-pollution by banning vehicle traffic in certain streets in their cities. I don't think there are many or any Indian equivalent.
Because technology requires investment in R&D which in turn requires good revenues so that funding can be provided.
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As you can see this roughly correlates with the economic sizes of the respective countries.
 
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Well, considering most of the billionaires are non-Indians on this planet, surely they spend their wealth one way or another. Also, since an average Luxembourger earns nearly 40 times more than an Indian he/she surely buys items 40 times of more worth and hence consuming items of 40 times more worth. So, poor people people are actually less consumerist by design..

I got to know through Ravish Kumar's Prime Time program that many Bihar farmers earn 3000 rupees a month and this will be also the case of many other farmers through out India. And this being one of the reasons for debt-related suicides to occur.

I was talking to you about the Indian middle class which is around 350 million, a bit more than USA's entire population. Quite a bit of the Indian middle class is supremely consumerist. If they cannot make purchases with full price up front they do it with loans. And add to this the many religio-cultural events they celebrate every year and the burden on the ecosystem this causes.

India is not a harmonious place despite many Indians claiming a "spiritual" lifestyle.

Because technology requires investment in R&D which in turn requires good revenues so that funding can be provided.
countries-spend-r-d.jpg

As you can see this roughly correlates with the economic sizes of the respective countries.

Sorry but what specialized technology is required to allot vehicle-free streets Bombay, Delhi, Bangalore, Pune etc ?

Secondly, about vehicular pollution, I am sure India and China are the most polluting countries in vehicular pollution through their population buying two wheelers ( especially in India ) and the neo-rich middle class buying four wheelers. The vehicles not only directly create pollution ( all year round ) through petroleum fuel emissions but also secondary pollution through the factories they are produced in. Think about the pollution in the immediate factory and then through the raw materials needed and where they are obtained from. Double this through the many models of vehicles brought out by so many companies a few times every year. The solution is multi-level. First, abolish the system of personally-owned private transport. Make transport through efficient public transport ( ideally buses ) and through the occasionally called four-wheeler taxis that can be driven by a company driver or customer-driven for the occasional romantic long drive. Next level, instead of petroleum fuel vehicles make them electric. For many years there were a few concerns about electric vehicles : Battery charge duration, battery longevity, battery size, battery safety and source to recharge the battery. Coincidentally all these concerns can be addressed through a marvelous development by an American company named NDB who devising is a nuclear-powered electric battery technology which can be implemented in various forms for various applications, any application, big and small, and whose power source is a nuclear material called Carbon-14 whose wasted form ( from nuclear reactor waste ) is used as the source. You can read about the tech on the company's website here, and you should read this interview of NDB leaders in which they speak about first prototypes, pricing, battery life and other things. I don't think any Indian research and academic institutes are working on this type of electricity source.

Well, a slum is richer than a well paid doctor as taken together it will earn much more than a single doctor which leads us to a very obvious idea : the size of the group matters which is why per-capita exists.

No, the Indian governments spend financial and other resources on wasteful things like the Vallabhbhai Patel statue ( the world's tallest ), the new parliament building and the two copies of the American Air Force One planes. Also to mention India becoming the second largest importer of armaments in the world.
 
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I was talking to you about the Indian middle class which is around 350 million, a bit more than USA's entire population. Quite a bit of the Indian middle class is supremely consumerist. If they cannot make purchases with full price up front they do it with loans. And add to this the many religio-cultural events they celebrate every year and the burden on the ecosystem this causes.
Clearly, math ain't your forte neither is basic data comprehension.

"As of 2016, about 121 million households in India belonged to the middle-income bracket earning a gross annual income between 7,700 and 15,400 U.S. dollars. This figure is expected to grow up to 140 million households by 2025, thus making India's middle class a large entity of the total population in terms of wealth and standard of living. "

So, actual middle class is significantly less, now please do some basic math and realize how stupid is to compare a 121 millions earning $10,000 and $320 million earning over $60,000.
Sorry but what specialized technology is required to allot vehicle-free streets Bombay, Delhi, Bangalore, Pune etc ?

Secondly, about vehicular pollution, I am sure India and China are the most polluting countries in vehicular pollution through their population buying two wheelers ( especially in India ) and the neo-rich middle class buying four wheelers.
A good number of cities already heavily depend on public transport.
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Also, for Delhi
"On average, across the urban airshed of the Greater Delhi, to the annual average PM2.5 concentrations
  • Vehicle exhaust is responsible for up to 30%
  • Biomass burning (including seasonal open fires, cooking, and heating) is responsible for up to 20%
  • Industries are responsible for up to 20%
  • Soil and road dust is responsible for up to 15%
  • Diesel generators are responsible for up to 15%
  • Open waste burning is responsible for up to 15%
  • Power plants are responsible for up to 5%
  • Outside the urban airshed is responsible for up to 20%
(sum is not 100% – this is an upper estimate for all the sources)"
So, actually waste burning cause more pollution than vehicles, biomass burning alone accounts for staggering 20%. Pollution control needs to work much more on this aspect rather than throwing billions into new, semi-proven techs.
Next level, instead of petroleum fuel vehicles make them electric. For many years there were a few concerns about electric vehicles : Battery charge duration, battery longevity, battery size, battery safety and source to recharge the battery. Coincidentally all these concerns can be addressed through a marvelous development by an American company named NDB who devising is a nuclear-powered electric battery technology which can be implemented in various forms for various applications, any application, big and small, and whose power source is a nuclear material called Carbon-14 whose wasted form ( from nuclear reactor waste ) is used as the source. You can read about the tech on the company's website here, and you should read this interview of NDB leaders in which they speak about first prototypes, pricing, battery life and other things. I don't think any Indian research and academic institutes are working on this type of electricity source.
You didn't take into account the demand of rare metals (which India lacks btw). The pollution in production and disposal of batteries. And last but not least, the trillions of dollars require to replace an entire sector of economy.
No, the Indian governments spend financial and other resources on wasteful things like the Vallabhbhai Patel statue ( the world's tallest ), the new parliament building and the two copies of the American Air Force One planes. Also to mention India becoming the second largest importer of armaments in the world.
While I agree on some parts but
  1. Some kind of armaments are necessary for survival.
  2. Even these things can not fund such grand plans cause "basic maths".
 
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Clearly, math ain't your forte neither is basic data comprehension.

"As of 2016, about 121 million households in India belonged to the middle-income bracket earning a gross annual income between 7,700 and 15,400 U.S. dollars. This figure is expected to grow up to 140 million households by 2025, thus making India's middle class a large entity of the total population in terms of wealth and standard of living. "

So, actual middle class is significantly less, now please do some basic math and realize how stupid is to compare a 121 millions earning $10,000 and $320 million earning over $60,000.

And clearly you prefer being dazzled by some unscientific absolute numbers and don't prefer thinking at systemic, holistic level.

1. Where did you find that number of 121 middle class households in India ?

2. Even if that number is correct you should account for the number of individuals in each of those households. So it will be four or five members each. In some families more than one vehicle will be present. For example, two two-wheelers and one car.

3. Many consumer items will be less expensive in India than in USA. For example, cars and motorcycles. Many of these items will be produced mostly or largely assembled in India leading to being cheap for purchase by the middle class. It's not like the middle class families in India will import these vehicles from USA or Japan. Suzuki has plants in India, yes ? So have Mahindra and Tata.

4. A simple Google search brought this :
At the end of the 2018–19 financial year, Bangalore had more than 80 lakh vehicles registered in the city, the most in India after Delhi.
So eight million vehicles in Bangalore, most of them privately-owned personal transport, and a large section of these owned by the middle class, accounts for a large level of pollution. How does it matter here if the Indian middle class earns less than the American population ?

5. That point from your italicized text about improved standard of living among the Indian middle class by 2025... The idea of standard of living among a lot of Indians, especially the right-wing-adoring middle class is strange. 40-inch LED TV inside the house but total chaos, garbage, pollution, non-aestheticness and general disharmony outside in the city.

You didn't take into account the demand of rare metals (which India lacks btw). The pollution in production and disposal of batteries.

But I was referring to a new type of battery that does not use rare metals. Please refer back to NDB in my previous post.

And last but not least, the trillions of dollars require to replace an entire sector of economy.

Which sector and why will it take so much money ?

Some kind of armaments are necessary for survival.

Some kind yes, for border security and police, but becoming the world's second largest importer is an overkill. In fact, pandering to the childish, war-mongering tendencies of the three service chiefs while civilians within the country are dying of hunger and remain blind and die of other treatable ailments... What does one say about this ?

A good number of cities already heavily depend on public transport.
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Not enough. According to this report Bombay is the 4th ranked city in the world to be traffic-congested among a top ten.

Also, for Delhi
"On average, across the urban airshed of the Greater Delhi, to the annual average PM2.5 concentrations
  • Vehicle exhaust is responsible for up to 30%
  • Biomass burning (including seasonal open fires, cooking, and heating) is responsible for up to 20%
  • Industries are responsible for up to 20%
  • Soil and road dust is responsible for up to 15%
  • Diesel generators are responsible for up to 15%
  • Open waste burning is responsible for up to 15%
  • Power plants are responsible for up to 5%
  • Outside the urban airshed is responsible for up to 20%
(sum is not 100% – this is an upper estimate for all the sources)"
So, actually waste burning cause more pollution than vehicles, biomass burning alone accounts for staggering 20%. Pollution control needs to work much more on this aspect rather than throwing billions into new, semi-proven techs.

1. "Semi-proven techs" like what ? So what is your solution to this ? So no immediate-term research should occur ?

2. My immediate points as to the solutions for your listed pollution sources are : Ban on privately-owned personal transport vehicles, NDB battery, Vertical Farming, general Urban Farming, on-demand 3D Printing of items, insistence on two-storey 3D Printed houses with compulsory garden, re-greening of neighborhoods, and commercial areas and ban on fireworks.

3. From the above linked report :
New Delhi takes the 8th spot this year with 56% congestion level (extra travel time stuck in traffic).On an average, Delhiites driving during peak hours spend an extra 190 hours, i.e., 7 days, 22 hours in traffic each year.
So your listed 30 percent pollution level from vehicular traffic in Delhi is still quite large.
 
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1. Where did you find that number of 121 middle class households in India ?
• India - households by annual income brackets 2010-2025 | Statista
2. Even if that number is correct you should account for the number of individuals in each of those households. So it will be four or five members each. In some families more than one vehicle will be present. For example, two two-wheelers and one car.
Possible.
3. Many consumer items will be less expensive in India than in USA. For example, cars and motorcycles. Many of these items will be produced mostly or largely assembled in India leading to being cheap for purchase by the middle class. It's not like the middle class families in India will import these vehicles from USA or Japan. Suzuki has plants in India, yes ? So have Mahindra and Tata.
That's why we adjust these calculations with the concept of PPP,

"The purchasing power parity calculation tells you how much things would cost if all countries used the U.S. dollar. In other words, it describes what anything bought throughout the world would cost if it were sold in the United States. The total of all those goods and services equals the country's economic output. Add the number produced in a year and you get the country's gross domestic product (GDP) as measured by PPP."
How to Calculate and Use Purchasing Power Parity – PPP (thebalance.com)
So eight million vehicles in Bangalore, most of them privately-owned personal transport, and a large section of these owned by the middle class, accounts for a large level of pollution. How does it matter here if the Indian middle class earns less than the American population ?
  • Bangalore do have a low public transport use compared to other Indian cities.
  • Americans still outdo India by far with 273.6 million vehicles but comparatively less city pollution.
5. That point from your italicized text about improved standard of living among the Indian middle class by 2025... The idea of standard of living among a lot of Indians, especially the right-wing-adoring middle class is strange. 40-inch LED TV inside the house but total chaos, garbage, pollution, non-aestheticness and general disharmony outside in the city.
None of these problems have anything to do with the existence of middle class.
But I was referring to a new type of battery that does not use rare metals. Please refer back to NDB in my previous post.
How can someone adopt a non-existent product? - They don't even have a prototype available. It's all hot air at this point with certain holes in the theory itself (like the availability of raw material), these things can burst like this :
Theranos – Silicon Valley’s Greatest Disaster - YouTube
Which sector and why will it take so much money ?
Automotive factories, roads etc all exists due to trillions and trillions of investment. Shutting them down will not only make a lot of people jobless but also make that trillions of investment go down the drain. Not to mention the money needed to build alternative industries and infrastructure.
Some kind yes, for border security and police, but becoming the world's second largest importer is an overkill. In fact, pandering to the childish, war-mongering tendencies of the three service chiefs while civilians within the country are dying of hunger and remain blind and die of other treatable ailments... What does one say about this ?
If you look at it, India is actually unarmed, What if some Xi in Beijing gets mad again and wants to take over more territories? What if there is a nuclear fallout because of the lack of conventional deterrence against some countries like China? Is not it wise to build some good deterrence than regret after enemy cripples the country in the event of war in which millions more die? The long term solution is to develop indigenous arms. Regarding war-mongering, India even under BJP didn't started any war yet.
Not enough. According to this report Bombay is the 4th ranked city in the world to be traffic-congested among a top ten.
It just means Mumbai needs more roads and flyovers as it can't even handle only 22% of population using roads. Also, it may need some sister cities to take the load off.
1. "Semi-proven techs" like what ? So what is your solution to this ? So no immediate-term research should occur ?
Solution is obvious
  • No waste burning - Citizens and Farmers should be taught to not fucking burn the waste.
  • Discouragement of lesser cleaner fuel devices like generator sets.
  • Of course, investment in public transport.
  • Checks on industrial pollution.
  • So on..
2. My immediate points as to the solutions for your listed pollution sources are : Ban on privately-owned personal transport vehicles, NDB battery, Vertical Farming, general Urban Farming, on-demand 3D Printing of items, insistence on two-storey 3D Printed houses with compulsory garden, re-greening of neighborhoods, and commercial areas and ban on fireworks.
None of that is economically feasible and NBD batteries are not even a thing outside theory. There is no 3D printing infrastructure in India on such scale, not even outside India for that matter. Fireworks are a tiny bit of the general pollution though I support a ban on them. There's no need of Vertical farming (why would there be?) neither of urban farming (again why??)
So your listed 30 percent pollution level from vehicular traffic in Delhi is still quite large.
It's large but still 70% is from more curable sources like people burning waste..
 
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It just means Mumbai needs more roads and flyovers as it can't even handle only 22% of population using roads.

You are going the other way. More flyovers and more roads in undisciplined India will mean thousands of more new vehicles.

Read this thread from Monday about a planned new city in Saudia called NEOM which will not have cars at all. In fact I tagged you in that thread.

How can someone adopt a non-existent product? - They don't even have a prototype available.

In the interview they say that their laboratory was closed because of COVID. Give them some months.

It's all hot air at this point with certain holes in the theory itself (like the availability of raw material)

1. What holes ?

2. About raw material, the interview says that nuclear power producers will actually pay NDB to take away the waste Carbon-14 radioactive material because this material would have needed costly burial.


That is one company gone bust, and committed fraud too, but what about others ( legitimate ) like Apple, Microsoft, QNX ( in Canada ) and SpaceX ?

There's no need of Vertical farming (why would there be?) neither of urban farming (again why??)

1. Why not ? VF and UF are the future of agriculture.

2. Venezuela is already doing neighborhood-level Urban Farming for some years which has increased some self-sufficiency in food production despite the artificial, external induced lack of food currently.

3. Search for the thread from two or three days ago about a Yemeni toddler emaciated because of very avoidable famine and non-providing of food aid from outside.

Also, it may need some sister cities to take the load off.

Yes, Bombay needs townships around it. In fact I keep posting here that Indian rural landscapes have to be refashioned thus : Take the populations of ten or so villages and allot them a new, scientifically developed township with all the amenities that a cosmopolitan city should have. This township should have Vertical Farms and Urban Farms at neighborhood-level. Make sure that no village lifestyle remains in these new townships. Will contribute towards bringing enlightenment to broader India.
 
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The Chinese have basically confessed to the crime and some still are clinging to their lies...how shameful.

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For years, they have been denying what I and others have been saying. And now they call Uyghur women "baby making machines". How crude.

Also, they got IUD's, abortions & sterilized. That's how China erases "extremism". :rolleyes:

Source: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
 
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The Chinese have basically confessed to the crime and some still are clinging to their lies...how shameful.

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For years, they have been denying what I and others have been saying. And now they call Uyghur women "baby making machines". How crude.

Also, they got IUD's, abortions & sterilized. That's how China erases "extremism". :rolleyes:

Source: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
Nice fact twisting and fancy source from apnews. :enjoy:
 
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Lol..


I am sure u r supportive of this news from AP but claim you are a loyal Pakistan(USA). :enjoy:

I don't care what AP news has to say about Pakistan. You seem to be acting like a little kid. Thinking I'll fall for your silly little tricks. :lol:

Only you Chinese are afraid of the news media outlets. I revel in freedom of speech, whether it's against me or not. I don't give a flying f..k if AP says anything against Pakistan.

China on the other hand:

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I don't care what AP news has to say about Pakistan. You seem to be acting like a little kid. Thinking I'll fall for your silly little tricks. :lol:

Only you Chinese are afraid of the news media outlets. I revel in freedom of speech, whether it's against me or not. I don't give a flying f..k if AP says anything against Pakistan.

China on the other hand:

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Finally reveal your real id, fake Pakistanis who don't care about Pakistan but flying the flag just to gain sympathy for your propanganda against China. Produced a load of garbage and then claim as facts and evidence from bogus source? How desperate r u. Remember how u get banned recently? :lol:
 
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One has to be careful when reading news nowadays especially from the West.
Words are taken out of context and most of them are censored to suit their narratives.
Their motives are obvious.
So check the facts first. There is so many fake news around with distorted headlines.
 
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