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Agreed but how come i have hardly ever seen Indians displaying such approach when it comes to Pakistan? Just a question to all those here who are advocating to mend ties with China.

Because Pakistan wants Kashmir thats the single point agenda. There is no room for compromise in that negotiation even if India is ok with LOC as permanent border Pakistan wont agree. You see there ends all talks.
 
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Impossible. It's two to tango. Chinese respect power!!! Pakistan respect nothing. Let's say Pakistan Army decides to put an end to terrorism Infiltration in India and Afghanistan. Will the lose terror outfits agree to it? Same way Pakistan won't stop hate against india forever. So be it.

In case of China and India. It's all about two Asian civilization fighting for supremacy at home and global stage. Same way Russia and America fought it out. Point to be noted. Till date these two core enemies never went to war with each others directly as it will be stalemate without any outcome. But fights kept going on and still goes on with difference means. . . Do u see my point?

Nailed it bro
 
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Impossible. It's two to tango. Chinese respect power!!! Pakistan respect nothing. Let's say Pakistan Army decides to put an end to terrorism Infiltration in India and Afghanistan. Will the lose terror outfits agree to it? Same way Pakistan won't stop hate against india forever. So be it.
Burhan Wani was surely not a creation of ISI or Pak Army. From Indian POV it's understandable to propagate the terrorism issue to divert any constructive engagement until they upper hand in talks . We are requesting Indians to sit down with us on table and India is simply ignoring offers for peace time and again. India is projecting a classic example of 'Might is Right' but chips will turn someday and this arrogance would cost India dearly, at least some predictions that I believe point in this direction.
 
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At the risk of sounding condescending my perception is that most people in India simply don't care about Pakistan - except maybe during a cricket match. Most are too busy trying to get a better job, buy that smartphone, get that B-segment car, go on that foreign trip, etc.

If nobody cares for a serious dialogue it's because they've just given up with Pakistani leadership. No point having a photo-op moment and a grand declaration when 6 months later there will be a terrorist attack by groups that enjoy patronage and sanctuary in Pakistan.

So if Indians have given up on Pakistan how come Pakistan remains main agenda everywhere we see, whether its Modi on foreign tour or Indian media, heck even Indians on PDF? Now you can argue that its because of Pakistani sponsored terrorism but here i would like to point out that isnt it far to easy for anyone to do the job because at the end Pakistan will always be the bad guy? Here i would quote an incident, Pakistan shared intel with India over a possible attack, even that was taken as Pakistans attempt to mask its nefarious designs which is to give cover to terrorists.

It's because Pakistan has never given an opportunity for peace. Your powers that be can only remain in power if they have an enemy called India.

But how can Pakistan give peace a chance when India only wants to talk on selective agenda that concerns India only and not Pakistan? As for the highlighted part, operation Zarab-e-Azb negates the fact that Pakistan is only Indian centric. Pakistan faces multidimensional threats, India is one of those threats not all of it.

Even in this case China holds the key. Once China understand key benefits of having peace with India..pakistan on its own will tow the line and stop sending terrorist to our country.
Why would China do that when Indians themselves believe that China is wooing Pakistan to keep India busy and occupied. So what possible benefits can India offer to China that would lead China to make Pakistan tow the line and stop sending the imaginary terrorists?

Impossible. It's two to tango. Chinese respect power!!! Pakistan respect nothing. Let's say Pakistan Army decides to put an end to terrorism Infiltration in India and Afghanistan. Will the lose terror outfits agree to it? Same way Pakistan won't stop hate against india forever. So be it.
The gentleman above believes that when China will see the benefits of having peace with India, Pakistan will tow the line. So if Pakistan respects nothing than even if China sees the benefits of peace with India, it may not necessarily mean the same for Pakistan as per you? By the way it was funny that you brought Afghanistan into your argument despite the fact that its the other way round when it comes to Afghanistan and Pakistan. But that is a debate for another time.
In case of China and India. It's all about two Asian civilization fighting for supremacy at home and global stage. Same way Russia and America fought it out. Point to be noted. Till date these two core enemies never went to war with each others directly as it will be stalemate without any outcome. But fights kept going on and still goes on with difference means. . . Do u see my point?
The reason cold war never became hot was because both knew they could decimate the other manytimes over because of nuclear weapons. The same is the case between India and Pakistan. Nuclear weapons stabilizes the region despite the bravado we keep hearing.

We have, many times. Nothing will progress until and unless Pakistan gets rid of it's fringe elements.
No you havent. Thats a plain lie and you know it. In fact it was India that supported the MuktiBani resulting in the lost of eastern wing of Pakistan. And now its Balochistan that India and her fringe elements are trying to destabilize. So get off from this moral high horse of yours.
 
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So if Indians have given up on Pakistan how come Pakistan remains main agenda everywhere we see, whether its Modi on foreign tour or Indian media, heck even Indians on PDF? Now you can argue that its because of Pakistani sponsored terrorism but here i would like to point out that isnt it far to easy for anyone to do the job because at the end Pakistan will always be the bad guy? Here i would quote an incident, Pakistan shared intel with India over a possible attack, even that was taken as Pakistans attempt to mask its nefarious designs which is to give cover to terrorists.

Thanks for replying.

Modi, like each of his predecessors did not come into office with such an a hard stance. You cannot dispute that he appeared to try and engage Nawaz - if not out of love for Pakistan then out of a love for a foreign policy success - but just after that came the Pathankot and Uri attacks. To him it's a breach of trust - as it would be to anyone.

As for Indians on PDF - well PDF has too many loose cannons on both sides IMO (bad pun). Hardly anyone seems to care to discuss anything without getting into a blind patriotic zeal though I suspect Indian members have a slightly higher ability to be self-critical regarding their nation's policies. Personally I would prefer harsher moderation.
 
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By the way so much for not caring about a country
https://defence.pk/threads/india-incomplete-without-pakistans-sindh-bjp-patriarch-lk-advani.472739/
To all those above that believe Pakistan only sends terrorists while India sends roses, this is what India really believes in

Thanks for replying.

Modi, like each of his predecessors did not come into office with such an a hard stance. You cannot dispute that he appeared to try and engage Nawaz - if not out of love for Pakistan then out of a love for a foreign policy success - but just after that came the Pathankot and Uri attacks. To him it's a breach of trust - as it would be to anyone.
That is the whole point. India just knows its Pakistan. I mean with the kind of evidence that India shares, its laughable but even than NS went ahead and registered FIR in Pakistan. The address given by India turned out to be dud.
On another note i like to dispute the above about Modi not coming into office with a hard stance. Actually he did. Remember the whole 52" chest zeal? It was before Modi came to office.
 
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By the way so much for not caring about a country
https://defence.pk/threads/india-incomplete-without-pakistans-sindh-bjp-patriarch-lk-advani.472739/
To all those above that believe Pakistan only sends terrorists while India sends roses, this is what India really believes in


That is the whole point. India just knows its Pakistan. I mean with the kind of evidence that India shares, its laughable but even than NS went ahead and registered FIR in Pakistan. The address given by India turned out to be dud.
On another note i like to dispute the above about Modi not coming into office with a hard stance. Actually he did. Remember the whole 52" chest zeal? It was before Modi came to office.

Well, Advani is a Sindhi - and he's an old man. At that age he could say anything. That's way beyond the boundaries of serious discussion - and I suspect you know that :-)

Modi's 56-inch boast was not Pakistan-centric. He said that at a rally to claim that he had the courage to solve all of the country's problems.

As for evidence - look at the amount of evidence given after the Bombay attacks - corroborated by the americans who had an interest as many of their citizens were killed. What happened? I'm not surprised - there's no incentive in the Pakistani military leadership to do anything after they sanction / help carry out these attacks. What is wanted is a decision to not undertake such tactics.

Here's my view - since you are one of the few that I think might actually bother to read it.

The Pakistani military depends on an ongoing tension with India to survive - in peacetime they lose their importance, their prestige, their influence, their indispensability and most importantly their funding. Too long a peace and civilians might gain control (as happened between 2009 and 2014). Nothing like engineering and encouraging a good attack to stoke tensions and get back the upper hand. This of course hurts neighbourly relations but the biggest sufferer is the common pakistani who is made to believe the army is the saviour and gives up political control and funds on this altar.
 
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But how can Pakistan give peace a chance when India only wants to talk on selective agenda that concerns India only and not Pakistan? As for the highlighted part, operation Zarab-e-Azb negates the fact that Pakistan is only Indian centric. Pakistan faces multidimensional threats, India is one of those threats not all of it.

Stop terrorism and we can talk. That's all we have asked for.

Zarb-e-Azb was your own doing. Now do the same on your northeastern border also.
 
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Stop terrorism and we can talk. That's all we have asked for.

Zarb-e-Azb was your own doing. Now do the same on your northeastern border also.

You cannot have it both ways. Stop state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir. zarb-e-azb was our doing precisely why I said India isn't the only threat. So whoever thinks that PA exists because of India only is utterly naive.
 
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Stop state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir

That's the problem. India asks for stopping cross border terrorism. You ask for a change in internal affairs - whether terrorism or not is different issue.

How would you like it if India set the condition 'stop state-sponsored terrorism in Balochistan' - who would accept it? I am just being rhetorical to show the futility of such a demand.
 
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Agreed but how come i have hardly ever seen Indians displaying such approach when it comes to Pakistan? Just a question to all those here who are advocating to mend ties with China.
It is very difficult to mend ties with Pakistan because of the nature of existence of both countries especially Pakistan. Although Pakistan was created to provide better and just governance to the subcontinents Muslims and to have a brotherly relation with India it soon turned anti Hindu, it began to associate India with Hinduism. Hindus are idolators so it is difficult for Pakistan to have better ties with India.
This is why China has a better chance of mending ties with India than Pakistan.
 
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That's the problem. India asks for stopping cross border terrorism. You ask for a change in internal affairs - whether terrorism or not is different issue.

How would you like it if India set the condition 'stop state-sponsored terrorism in Balochistan' - who would accept it? I am just being rhetorical to show the futility of such a demand.
is Baluchistan disputed? Did Pakistan ever said about stopping Indian terrorism in Assam or other areas where naxal movement is going on?
Be careful with this type of argument.
 
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Agreed but how come i have hardly ever seen Indians displaying such approach when it comes to Pakistan? Just a question to all those here who are advocating to mend ties with China.

You want Kashmir, We wont give you Kashmir. So case closed, animosity will never end. Religion also plays a key here.
 
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