China Must Realise India of 2014 is Not the India of 1962

[twocents]

there will never be a war between India and China, the only one in 1962 was a result of Nehru's forward policy which has been labelled erroneous by many within India and worldwide and subsequently discontinued by Nehru himself.. now that both economies have grown tremendously, neither party wants a war to jeopardize growth, more so in view of substantial investment by China into India..

apart from the usual political war cry rhetoric in both countries to cater to the populace, there is a zero percent chance of any violent confrontation, even the periodic border violations by China are stage managed for public consumption on both sides..

I generally agree with what you just said, except for the highlighted part. I have never seen Chinese media with screaming headlines as opposed to the Indian counterpart. The pattern is invariably as follows----Indian media breaks the news ----Chinese foreign ministry spokeman responds with a low key stetement when asked about it at a regularly held press briefing. Nothing more than that.

Nehru was an arrogant son of gun but he was not stupid. He had plenty of good reasons to believe that his forward policy would work. China had a famine. China had only two unpaved roads connecting Tibet with rest of the country and passage was only seasonal. US was hostile and Sino-Soviet split was becoming more and more obvious. His only miscalculation was that he underestimated Mao Zedong, a battle-hardened revolutionary who had fought the Japanese, the civil war, and the Americans in Korea. Mao was never going to take it lying down.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Right. And IA didnt even have boots. IA was outnumbered by PLA

Those PLA soldiers in 1962 were a group of new recruits, and they were mostly 17-18 years old teens.

And the highest ranked Indian army officer that they managed to hold in captive was a Brigadier General.

中印战争被俘印军:我乐意一辈子当中国俘虏_中国访谈_中国网

However, they didn't treat those Indian officers/soldiers badly.

 

[UKBengali]

China can obliterate the Indians if they so desire. The gap between the two has only gotten bigger since 1962.

The Chinese will reach the maximum strength vis-a-vis India in the 2025-2030 time-frame. After this time, Chinese economic growth will slow down to much lower levels than India and the Indians will be able to produce most of their own weapons, bar things like engines and cutting-edge SSNs.

China needs to wait till 2025-2030 and then should deal with the Indians from a position of greatest strength. Time is on China's side.

 

[mike2000]

Answer is simple that China is leaps and bounds ahead of India in economic as well as Military fronts. But that doesn't mean India is a walkover. Infact, in the whole Asia, even you would also agree that only India is capable to stand upto you. Be it in political/ economical or military, India is well ahead of every country in Asia barring China.

The only way forward is co-operation between the two nations. Infact, even with all the troll wars and war cries here on pdf, India and China never had any serious issues ever since 1962 and even today, our trade is among the world's top 10 trade relations.

Nope Japan is indeed still ahead of not only India, but even China is a few sectors.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Here is the Indian Brigadier General who got killed in action by the PLA's new recruit.

Hoshier Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RisingShiningSuperpower]

Neither China nor India are in the state they were in 1962. The relevant question thus becomes, which country has grown and progressed and developed the most since then?

Obviously, India has grown the most.

India is a knowledge superpower, a spiritual superpower, and its soft power has conquered the world.

With yoga, cricket, and Bollywood, India is set to take over the world.

Under Modi-ji's brilliant and visionary leadership, India will quickly surpass China and become a superpower by 2020.

 

[chand ch]

What happened in 62?-
According to the indians they achieved tremendous victory-
Why downplaying yourself now by making such statements? -

Indians never say we won in 62 unlike pak they will say that they won in 65.Its clear that we lost our territory in 62 war with china but we gained larger territory than Pakistan in 62.

 

[American_Millenium]

Here is the Indian Brigadier General who got killed in action by the PLA's new recruit.

Hoshier Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PLA Ground Forces were able to attack India's Brigade Headquarters without air support.

Quite embarrassing for India...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

PLA Ground Forces were able to attack India's Brigade Headquarters without air support.

Quite embarrassing for India...

These new PLA recruits were a group of teens who were fearless and aggressive, and they were very determined to fight and to sacrifice for their country.

Compared to the 1979 war with Vietnam, those PLA soldiers were mostly veterans, but they didn't fight flawless like they did in 1962, because the late Cultural Revolution was the main factor. The army was poorly trained, and the maintenance for the equipment was also bad. The army was initially in low morale because of the political turbulence.

However, we still managed to push Vietnam back to its position, albeit with slightly more casualty.

 

[Sasquatch]

Here is the Indian Brigadier General who got killed in action by the PLA's new recruit.

Hoshier Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Source, article, or video for this image ?

edit nvm found

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Source, article, or video for this image ?

edit nvm found

I found this image in Tiexue.net.

Here is the Chinese source from Xinhua.

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历程：新中国进行第一场边境自卫反击作战[图]
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And here is the Indian source.

1962 War: The Chinese invasion – III » Indian Defence Review

 

[cranwerkhan]

What happened in 62?-
According to the indians they achieved tremendous victory-
Why downplaying yourself now by making such statements? -

One thing i frequently see among indians .. Every war they had fought in the past they win .. This give me cancer hahaha

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I generally agree with what you just said, except for the highlighted part. I have never seen Chinese media with screaming headlines as opposed to the Indian counterpart. The pattern is invariably as follows----Indian media breaks the news ----Chinese foreign ministry spokeman responds with a low key stetement when asked about it at a regularly held press briefing. Nothing more than that.

Nehru was an arrogant son of gun but he was not stupid. He had plenty of good reasons to believe that his forward policy would work. China had a famine. China had only two unpaved roads connecting Tibet with rest of the country and passage was only seasonal. US was hostile and Sino-Soviet split was becoming more and more obvious. His only miscalculation was that he underestimated Mao Zedong, a battle-hardened revolutionary who had fought the Japanese, the civil war, and the Americans in Korea. Mao was never going to take it lying down.

India did try to backstab China, but Mao also did use a brilliant counter attack tactic.

The Sino-Indian War happened almost in the same period as the famous Cuban Missile Crisis. So all the world attention was focused on that issue, and this made China's action didn't get highlighted in the world, and it also has avoided a lot of possible sanctions.

China was just a second/third rate player in the world at that time, so our every move should not attract too much attention in the world.

 

[ManavKalia]

I generally agree with what you just said, except for the highlighted part. I have never seen Chinese media with screaming headlines as opposed to the Indian counterpart. The pattern is invariably as follows----Indian media breaks the news ----Chinese foreign ministry spokeman responds with a low key stetement when asked about it at a regularly held press briefing. Nothing more than that.

Nehru was an arrogant son of gun but he was not stupid. He had plenty of good reasons to believe that his forward policy would work. China had a famine. China had only two unpaved roads connecting Tibet with rest of the country and passage was only seasonal. US was hostile and Sino-Soviet split was becoming more and more obvious. His only miscalculation was that he underestimated Mao Zedong, a battle-hardened revolutionary who had fought the Japanese, the civil war, and the Americans in Korea. Mao was never going to take it lying down.

Indian media is privatised and nothing sells better than sensational headlines whereas Chinese media is regulated, thus the difference of media reportage in the two countries.

The forward policy of Nehru was due to his total strategic naivete and ineptitude and was his biggest blunder which led to India's one and only defeat militarily since it's inception. And was widely criticized within India and overseas.

Mao was very shrewd and waited for the Soviets and the Americans to be embroiled in their nuclear stand off, so that neither could intervene.

China runs the bigger risk in any confrontation due to their army's standing within their political structure, which could lead to violent regime change in the case of any national loss of face. Unlike India where maximum the ruling government could be booted out of power in subsequent elections. Hence China was never interested in engaging India in any armed confrontation, and wanted to resolve border disputes thru dialogue only.

This was demonstrated when China retreated from captured territory of it's own volition after squarely trouncing the Indian troops. 1962 was not all bad for India, as it united the nation in an unprecedented manner and also led to a complete revamp of the military infrastructure and strength. Also it didn't result in any permanent territorial loss.

Mao didn't have any other option but to engage the Indian troops due to the forward policy. Suffice it to say, neither will the forward policy be repeated again, and neither will 1962..

 

[RKO]

I guess China have already realized that's why unlike 1962, they now regularly arrange BBQ parties.



Mods these guys are using foul words, take notice

arey..that is Telugu, a south Indian language!!!