then why dont u join japan, Korea and Indonesians tooo....
When it comes to u guys... u take up religion ...
whatever suits u
China may give india a taste of it's own medicine
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then why dont u join japan, Korea and Indonesians tooo....
When it comes to u guys... u take up religion ...
whatever suits u
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Indo-Asian News Service
Guwahati, October 20, 2009
China has formally clarified to India that it is not building a dam over the Brahmaputra river on its side, Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister Dorjee Khandu said on Tuesday.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met a group of legislators and MPs from the northeastern state led by Dorjee Khandu in New Delhi on Monday.
"The Prime Minister assured us that there was no dam being constructed over the Brahmaputra by China. In fact, Beijing had formally communicated this to the Indian government," Khandu told IANS on telephone from New Delhi.
The controversy follows media reports that Beijing was constructing a $167 million hydropower plant in Zangmu, 140 km southeast of Tibet's capital Lhasa, besides diverting water to its parched northwest and northeast territories, which includes the Gobi desert.
The 2,906-km long Brahmaputra is one of Asia's largest rivers that traverses its first stretch of 1,625 km in Tibet, the next 918 km in India and the remaining 363 km through Bangladesh before converging into the Bay of Bengal.
"We are happy with the prime minister's assurance," the chief minister said.
There were fears expressed by both the Assam and Arunachal Pradesh governments that diversion of water from the Brahmaputra would lead to a natural disaster in the region.
Assam Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi is meeting Manmohan Singh Tuesday night to express fears about the reported dam construction.
Media reports of Chinese incursions into India and Beijing's opposition to the Indian prime minister's visit to Arunachal Pradesh -- a region Beijing claims -- also figured in Monday's meeting.
"Chinese claims are simply unfounded and baseless. Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India and the prime minister said categorically that this is New Delhi's stand," Khandu said.
Beijing in 2003 gave up its territorial claim over Sikkim but still says that nearly all of Arunachal Pradesh belongs to it.
The mountainous state of Arunachal Pradesh shares a 1,030-km unfenced border with China.
China has raked up a controversy by asking India not to allow Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama to visit Arunachal Pradesh in November.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu said: "We firmly oppose Dalai visiting the so-called 'Arunachal Pradesh'."
The Dalai Lama is scheduled to visit the Tawang monastery in Arunachal Pradesh, bordering China, besides capital Itanagar.
"China should not interfere with the Dalai Lama's proposed visit to Arunachal Pradesh. We welcome the Dalai Lama's visit," the Arunachal chief minister said. It is through Tawang in Arunachal Pradesh that the Dalai Lama escaped the Chinese to enter India in 1959.
The India-China border along Arunachal Pradesh is separated by the McMahon Line, an imaginary border now known as the Line of Actual Control.
India and China fought a border war in 1962, with Chinese troops advancing deep into Arunachal Pradesh and inflicting heavy casualties on Indian troops. The border dispute with China was inherited by India from British colonial rulers, who hosted a 1914 conference with the Tibetan and Chinese governments that set the border in what is now Arunachal Pradesh.
China has never recognised the 1914 McMahon Line and claims 90,000 sq km - nearly all of Arunachal Pradesh. India also accuses China of occupying 8,000 sq km in Kashmir.
After 1962, tensions flared again in 1986 with Indian and Chinese forces clashing in Sumdorong Chu valley of Arunachal. Chinese troops reportedly built a helipad in the valley leading to fresh skirmishes.
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You are right!!! India will take as much as water it needs but Bangladesh will be left high and dry and blame will go to chinese for making dam.... In a way it will save India from floods which come annually on those parts of India....
Moreover India can make more and more dams in all the rivers in India saying chinese have also made in their part...
Actually its a blessing in disguise for INDIA..........
Blessing indeed, but what about the people downstream?
BD will turn into a desert
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Pakistan has never asked China to come to our defense. Unlike India whose pathetic excuse of an army was getting its *** kicked in Kargil and had to go begging to Israel to please help them out.
Pakistan has stood up to India and kept it at bay for 62 years. India has never reconciled itself to Pakistan's existence. It still burns up India that Pakistan even exists. Indian media's non-stop obsession with Pakistan is proof enough.
Oh, we love watching when the bombastic Indian media gets a diplomatic thrashing, and jingoistic Indians bow obsequiously to the Chinese to assure them not to take the Indian media too seriously.
It's one of the best shows in town.
so if building dams in ur own lands is losers attitude what do u say when u can't build dams which u want to !!!
Whatever India can do.. can be done only through negotiations... and whoever china or india or xyz builds dams in the up streams can't be stopped unless both parties want to do sth together.... ignorant post at the best...
My comment was in response to the Indian claim that "if China does X to us, then we will do the same to Bangladesh (or Pakistan)".
A priceless insight into the Indian mindset.
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How quickly people forget 1971. How quickly people forget that East Pakistan was ceased to existance even before 25 years of Independence of the Pakistani nation.
Its basically a Pakistani mindset. See any Pakistani forum.
If India build damns in Kashmir we will ask China to damn Brahmaputra river.
Now every Pakistani is celebrating.
Dont know how building a damn on Brahmaputra helps Pakistan to solve its water problem with India?
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1971 was a fiasco of our own making. India was smart to take advantage of, and exacerbate, a situation that Pakistan had already created for itself.
The difference is that it is putting the instigator in the recipient's place.
This would be similar to, "if China does X to India, then we will, or get Russia to, do Y to China." At least you are engaging the instigator, albeit indirectly through a third party, rather than running away and bullying someone else unrelated to the original conflict.
If China cuts India's water, how is that Bangladesh's fault that you want to take it out on them?
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Nothing. But if Chinese dam across Brahmaputra results in reduction in water level, in India, (which will almost certainly happen) then India will be compelled to build a dam across Brahmaputra just to maintain the water level.
This in turn will hurt Bangladesh real bad.
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Walker's World: China's new enemies
Vienna (UPI) Oct 19, 2009
Something deeply alarming is under way on the roof of the world. It is not simply the Obama administration's difficult Afghan dilemma that makes the vast Himalayan massif the world's most pivotal region. Suddenly, as when one loose rock triggers a mountain landslide, a handful of small developments are combining to produce a highly volatile situation with potentially disastrous consequences.
Three years ago Chinese engineers began a series of surveys of the headwaters of a Tibetan river known in India
as the Brahmaputra and known as Yarlung Tsangpo to the Tibetans. Alarm bells rang in India and Bangladesh at the possibility that China might be planning to dam the river, which is a major and irreplaceable source of their fresh water.
Chinese government officials insisted these were simply surveys. No dam was planned, and a mechanism of consultation over water and rivers between New Delhi
and Beijing was set in train. This "expert-level mechanism" was designed to discuss trans-border river issues in an institutional way, and there have been three formal meetings, according to India's Foreign Ministry. At each meeting "the Chinese side has categorically denied that there is a plan to build any such large-scale diversion project on the Brahmaputra River."
India remained skeptical. Last year Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was in Beijing for the ASEM summit meeting and devoted almost the whole of his bilateral session with Chinese President Hu Jintao to the waters of the Brahmaputra and China's plans for dams. At the same time, there is growing tension on the disputed Indo-Chinese border in India's Arunachal Pradesh province, where China has even protested a recent visit by Singh and has tried to block Asian Development Bank projects.
Now India has the evidence. China began pouring concrete for the Zhangmu hydroelectrical project on April 2, under a $150 million contract with the China Gezhouba Group along with NIDR (China Water Northeastern investigation, design and research) and the Huaneng power group. The dam, the first of a planned five, will be 118 meters high, and the whole complex should produce 540 MW of power. The Tibetans have told the Indians this has been long planned, and that the Nanshan Regional Administration issued orders two years ago for evacuation of people from the area.
China is desperate for water and is prepared to be very tough with its neighbors about securing it. China's dams on the upper Mekong have reduced that river's flows so severely that the traditional Luang Prabang river festival has had to be canceled for lack of water flow. But the Brahmaputra is close to a matter of life or death for India and Bangladesh.
The broader context of this is even more alarming because China is looking once more like an imperial power in both Tibet and Central Asia. Unrest among Tibetans and among China's Uighur minority of Muslims has been sternly repressed in the last two years, and China is starting to pay a diplomatic price for this. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Beijing of "a kind of genocide" against the Uighurs and referred the crackdown to the United Nations.
This month al-Qaida's leading theologian, Abu Yahya al-Libi, who is seen as a possible successor to Obama bin Laden, declared holy war against China for its "satanic oppression of Muslims in Xinjiang." Al-Libi, who became a radical Islamist hero after escaping U.S. custody at the Bagram air base prison in Afghanistan in 2005, was a Libyan-born chemistry student who joined the Afghan mujahedin in the 1980s.
"The state of atheism is heading to its fall. China will share the same fate as the Russian bear," al-Libi said in a speech posted as video and text on Islamic militant Web sites. He went on to accuse China of trying to "sever the link between the people and their history" as a part of the Muslim world.
Al-Libi's speech, produced and distributed over the Web by al-Qaida's media wing al-Sahab, was titled "East Turkistan, the Forgotten Wound." In it he repeated Uighur claims that Beijing was seeking to swamp them and their culture and religion by flooding the region with ethnic Chinese Han immigrants. The Chinese were given "jobs and homes and farms and lands that it forcibly expropriated from the hands of their Muslim Turkestani owners," al-Libi said.
East Turkestan is a name that Beijing angrily rejects, and China was successfully able to persuade the United States to describe the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as a terrorist organization. Although rooted among the Uighurs, ETIM is supposedly now based as an organization in Pakistan's North-West Frontier tribal districts alongside al-Qaida and Taliban sympathizers.
This all makes for a heady brew, in which the great power tensions between India and China swirl alongside both China's colonial challenges in Tibet and Xinjiang and China's daunting environmental problems. Although China shrugs off Western critiques of its human-rights policies, it is not accustomed to being targeted as an imperial power by other developing countries in the way that Turkey has done, and the Beijing regime's dependence on imported oil complicates its relationship with the Islamic world.
So from the headwaters of the Brahmaputra to the cave refuges of al-Qaida, and from the Indian border to the ditches that irrigate the rice paddies of Bangladesh, China's geopolitical future is taking on some ominous and potentially new forms. And despite Beijing's vaunted strategy of a "peaceful rise" as its economic growth propels it to great-power status, China is making some very worrying enemies.
Walker's World: China's new enemies
I really wish China dams Brahmaputra river all along its 1600+km
Lets Pray God to let China build a 1000 such dams for every 100km.
Any tree that grows taller and taller will have to fell down.But the initial crack will only appear at the base.and it will take another 100`s of years to grow that height again.
The great Germany was demolished upto its foundations.
Same happened with Mighty Soviet Union.
It is just that China is standing in Queue.It is just awaiting for its start to rip apart.
JAI HO.
Vienna (UPI) Oct 19, 2009
Something deeply alarming is under way on the roof of the world. It is not simply the Obama administration's difficult Afghan dilemma that makes the vast Himalayan massif the world's most pivotal region. Suddenly, as when one loose rock triggers a mountain landslide, a handful of small developments are combining to produce a highly volatile situation with potentially disastrous consequences.
Three years ago Chinese engineers began a series of surveys of the headwaters of a Tibetan river known in India
as the Brahmaputra and known as Yarlung Tsangpo to the Tibetans. Alarm bells rang in India and Bangladesh at the possibility that China might be planning to dam the river, which is a major and irreplaceable source of their fresh water.
Chinese government officials insisted these were simply surveys. No dam was planned, and a mechanism of consultation over water and rivers between New Delhi
and Beijing was set in train. This "expert-level mechanism" was designed to discuss trans-border river issues in an institutional way, and there have been three formal meetings, according to India's Foreign Ministry. At each meeting "the Chinese side has categorically denied that there is a plan to build any such large-scale diversion project on the Brahmaputra River."
India remained skeptical. Last year Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was in Beijing for the ASEM summit meeting and devoted almost the whole of his bilateral session with Chinese President Hu Jintao to the waters of the Brahmaputra and China's plans for dams. At the same time, there is growing tension on the disputed Indo-Chinese border in India's Arunachal Pradesh province, where China has even protested a recent visit by Singh and has tried to block Asian Development Bank projects.
Now India has the evidence. China began pouring concrete for the Zhangmu hydroelectrical project on April 2, under a $150 million contract with the China Gezhouba Group along with NIDR (China Water Northeastern investigation, design and research) and the Huaneng power group. The dam, the first of a planned five, will be 118 meters high, and the whole complex should produce 540 MW of power. The Tibetans have told the Indians this has been long planned, and that the Nanshan Regional Administration issued orders two years ago for evacuation of people from the area.
China is desperate for water and is prepared to be very tough with its neighbors about securing it. China's dams on the upper Mekong have reduced that river's flows so severely that the traditional Luang Prabang river festival has had to be canceled for lack of water flow. But the Brahmaputra is close to a matter of life or death for India and Bangladesh.
The broader context of this is even more alarming because China is looking once more like an imperial power in both Tibet and Central Asia. Unrest among Tibetans and among China's Uighur minority of Muslims has been sternly repressed in the last two years, and China is starting to pay a diplomatic price for this. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Beijing of "a kind of genocide" against the Uighurs and referred the crackdown to the United Nations.
This month al-Qaida's leading theologian, Abu Yahya al-Libi, who is seen as a possible successor to Obama bin Laden, declared holy war against China for its "satanic oppression of Muslims in Xinjiang." Al-Libi, who became a radical Islamist hero after escaping U.S. custody at the Bagram air base prison in Afghanistan in 2005, was a Libyan-born chemistry student who joined the Afghan mujahedin in the 1980s.
"The state of atheism is heading to its fall. China will share the same fate as the Russian bear," al-Libi said in a speech posted as video and text on Islamic militant Web sites. He went on to accuse China of trying to "sever the link between the people and their history" as a part of the Muslim world.
Al-Libi's speech, produced and distributed over the Web by al-Qaida's media wing al-Sahab, was titled "East Turkistan, the Forgotten Wound." In it he repeated Uighur claims that Beijing was seeking to swamp them and their culture and religion by flooding the region with ethnic Chinese Han immigrants. The Chinese were given "jobs and homes and farms and lands that it forcibly expropriated from the hands of their Muslim Turkestani owners," al-Libi said.
East Turkestan is a name that Beijing angrily rejects, and China was successfully able to persuade the United States to describe the East Turkestan Islamic Movement as a terrorist organization. Although rooted among the Uighurs, ETIM is supposedly now based as an organization in Pakistan's North-West Frontier tribal districts alongside al-Qaida and Taliban sympathizers.
This all makes for a heady brew, in which the great power tensions between India and China swirl alongside both China's colonial challenges in Tibet and Xinjiang and China's daunting environmental problems. Although China shrugs off Western critiques of its human-rights policies, it is not accustomed to being targeted as an imperial power by other developing countries in the way that Turkey has done, and the Beijing regime's dependence on imported oil complicates its relationship with the Islamic world.
So from the headwaters of the Brahmaputra to the cave refuges of al-Qaida, and from the Indian border to the ditches that irrigate the rice paddies of Bangladesh, China's geopolitical future is taking on some ominous and potentially new forms. And despite Beijing's vaunted strategy of a "peaceful rise" as its economic growth propels it to great-power status, China is making some very worrying enemies.
Walker's World: China's new enemies
I really wish China dams Brahmaputra river all along its 1600+km
Lets Pray God to let China build a 1000 such dams for every 100km.
Any tree that grows taller and taller will have to fell down.But the initial crack will only appear at the base.and it will take another 100`s of years to grow that height again.
The great Germany was demolished upto its foundations.
Same happened with Mighty Soviet Union.
It is just that China is standing in Queue.It is just awaiting for its start to rip apart.
JAI HO.
Ah sh!t!!! Are you serious? So no democracy for China before 2014?
Dam! Why no dam? Let's start a protest right away.
I curse these godless communists. Can't even read a star chart or some holy book.
Will you fax them the chart and save their souls ASAP, Sath?
No they feel safe and secure.....
One should not play with the forces of nature to settle bilateral relations or it will have dangerous consequences. These rivers have been flowing for ages and only natural forces like valcono or earthquakes have changes their course of flow.
Neither China nor India should think they can do this. Making dams is fine but to do that to deny water to the downstream countries is not called for.
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Shittt I was really disappointed with Chinese Behavior.I was expecting them to build the dam for the last 8 years when the talk of joining all the Indian rivers first arose.
If the Chinese does dam the Brahmaputra and make the water level come down from flooded levels to normal,then India have an excuse in its wallet to join all the Indian rivers especially those all originating in himalayas.
this plan was touted to be a multi-billion and multi-year project,but lets every Indian farm land and village gets the water either from one river or the other.
If China dams Brahmaputra,India did planned to divert all waters of Cheenab,Jheelam,... (kashmiri rivers) towards north-east.While the excess waters will flow into B`Desh.
If this project has been through,then there will be no draught.And water flows 24/7 to every Indian farm land.
Fcukkk China for their backfooting of Daming Brahmaputra.
If the Chinese does dam the Brahmaputra and make the water level come down from flooded levels to normal,then India have an excuse in its wallet to join all the Indian rivers especially those all originating in himalayas.
this plan was touted to be a multi-billion and multi-year project,but lets every Indian farm land and village gets the water either from one river or the other.
If China dams Brahmaputra,India did planned to divert all waters of Cheenab,Jheelam,... (kashmiri rivers) towards north-east.While the excess waters will flow into B`Desh.
If this project has been through,then there will be no draught.And water flows 24/7 to every Indian farm land.
Fcukkk China for their backfooting of Daming Brahmaputra.
Some pakistani members really surprise me. You guys seriously think you will benefit if china dams brahmaputra .
In that case , india will have no option but to dam the river indus which provides nearly all of your water.
The real loosers are going to be pakistan and Bangladesh . So , just pray that this project doesn't go ahead
In that case , india will have no option but to dam the river indus which provides nearly all of your water.
The real loosers are going to be pakistan and Bangladesh . So , just pray that this project doesn't go ahead
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Your earlier statment was
Now you are saying that Pakistan liberated Bangladesh or made them independent?
It would be true if it benifits India. For e.g Russians made sure that the US 7th fleet don't reach the Bay of Bengal.
In this case how China building a damn over Brahmaputra helps Pakistan?
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A chinese DAM on Brahmaputra will only suck the final waters of Kashmir Rivers.GOI will revisit the proposed Clubbing of Rivers in the Mainland to get rid of water crisis elsewhere.
To put things in a clear perspective,Chinese dam will become the cause for another Indo-Pak war.Chino-bangladesh war.Indo-China war.
I love to see 3 different wars in one decade that will happen in the sub-continent.Most of the chinese members here were so optimistic about their armed forces .Lets see this time who has more stuff hidden under their sleeves.
If another Indo-China war is supposed to happen,India is going to change it Nuclear NFU policy just right before the war and will start mining the LAC with depleted uranium mines.Since we dont have any intention to invade china,at the same time we dont want to let any Chinese enter our territory.Lets see this time who can hit maximum scores.If Chinese army can withstand depleted uranium mines,then god bless India else RIP those Chinese souls
P.S: I am desperately wanting another Indo-Chinese war.I want to test many of my weapons.
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